ACC Bowl Discussion

Root4GT

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Not positive, but just a data point. Others will make it a big deal, though, so it stinks

Do you really think Miami cared to beat Iowa State?
Even after the cyclones took the lead with 0:56 left in the game needing a fg, the cameraman panned to Cam to see if he was warming up and would come in for the last drive. Not because he was hurt but because he didn't WANT to get hurt and affect his NFL future in the 2nd half of a game Miami led by 10. Miami proved they were better than Iowa State with Cam Ward playing and yet the media and fans will chalk it up that the acc sucks and can't win a bowl game.

NC State had a chance to win against the pirates but similar to Clemson against USC, they both threw an int deep in the opponent's territory to lose. Does that make the Pirates and Gamecocks superior. No actually it does not.
Uga beat us; however, we kicked their butt up and down the field in their house. Sec fans will chant the acc sucks but anyone who watched this game objectively knows tech got screwed and whipped the butts of the best team in the SEC!

Nebraska hasn't had a winning season in 8 years. They ABSOLUTELY wanted to be there. BC's all everything QB castellanos hit the portal to Fsu along with many other portal entries. Nebraska similar to Vandy had no starters hit the portal and wanted to be there.

I don't care what anyone says...Tech had Singleton, Lockett, Robinson, and Height ALL hit the portal. BIg time contributors. Plus Kyle Efford didn't play.
Vandy lost to ga state. Tech beat ga state. Yes, I know they beat Bama and competed with Tx; however, I think if you fix the portal Tech wins this game 7 out of 10 times imo.

UNC was down to their 5th string QB and their future coach wasn't coaching the game as they fired their head coach at the end of the year.

Pitt and Toledo went to 6 overtimes

Btw the Secheat conference is 4-3. Not exactly lighting up the world

The biggest perception is smu getting run by Penn State but Tennessee lost by a larger margin to OSU and no one moans and whines that the SEC sucks but look at SMU..the acc sucks. blah blah blah.

I'll also point out that Clemson had the lead down to 7 against Texas in their house late in the 4th quarter.

Stop acting like the acc sucks without factoring in the portal, the meaningless nature of bowl season, and other factors. If you want to tell me that the portal is irrelevant, army's opponent has to bow out due to nearly the whole team hitting the portal when their coach was let go and army gets a 5-7 team that they beat in the independence bowl. Tell me individual circumstances, matchups, and the portal season doesn't matter.

Outside of the smu blowout, every game was competitive.

All this does is feed into the narrative the media wants to get across along with Sankey and the Big integer lackeys.

And btw...the games and results do matter because that will be the perception going into 2025 and will likely cost the acc an extra bid next year but for the "acc sucks" crowd without looking into each and every matchup with no analysis serves no purpose except to just bash the acc. We have enough media willing to do that without facts.
Funny take. Every team in every conference loses players to the Portsl and NFL Opt outs before Bowl Games. 1-9 is terrible. It will be reflected in preseason rankings. Hard to argue that the ACC is a strong conference when our best teams lose their OOC Games to other “good’s. Clemson really hurt the ACC’s reputation this season. The ACC Champion was 0-3 vs the SEC. That matters.

The ACC needs to win the tough OOC games.
 

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For those who say these games are meaningless, I don't think they saw the vandy bowl game and saw the efoort, fight and frustration from our entire organization. The coaches and players sure seemed to me that they cared that night! I respect them for that.
Agreed! Most of the fans and players love the bowl games but the 1% of players that sit out is who we concentrate on. We need to think next man up because that’s the way it is.
 

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Go ahead and be reductionist. Torture yourself with partial metrics. Don’t forget annual OOC records, though. They have as much relevance in a reductionist framework as bowl games.
 

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For those who say these games are meaningless, I don't think they saw the vandy bowl game and saw the efoort, fight and frustration from our entire organization. The coaches and players sure seemed to me that they cared that night! I respect them for that.
I think your assigning more meaning to term meaningless than the people using the term are.

By meaningless, I intend to convey that they have no bearing on any standings and that they are not a true reflection of the team from the regular season because players are missing. Players are generally missing from all teams, I get that, but some missing players are more critical than others. It's not apples to apples. By meaningless in intend to convey that people who want to draw conclusions about strength of programs and / or conferences need to look closely at the outcomes and not just paint with broad brushes. There more nuance now with the Portal and opt-outs.
 

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If the ACC was 9-1 at this stage in the Bowl season, would anyone be saying that the Bowls do not matter?
Don’t hate the game… hate the SEC who taught us to play it.
Bowls don’t matter… until they do… unless they don’t.
But really, they don’t matter. Maybe next year they’ll matter. But if we’re honest, they don’t matter. Much.
 

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Look at the matchups. Look at the outcomes. I still don't think it's an indication that the ACC sucks. We generally do too well during the regular season in P4 OOC games to be considered to suck. I'm not saying we couldn't do better, obviously.
Ever the optimist. 1-9 sucks! That will carry over all offseason. I doubt any ACC team is ranked in the Preseason Top 15.
 

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If the ACC was 9-1 at this stage in the Bowl season, would anyone be saying that the Bowls do not matter?
Yes. ESPN would be strangely quiet. It’s happened before.

I don’t think there’s any question that it was a down year for the ACC. I don’t think there’s any question that the B1G and SEC are stronger conferences this year. I don’t think there’s any question that certain vested interests will play this up in the media as if it’s a steady state reality.

The only question is will the ACC ever develop a comparable PR approach to other conferences? That and a s——— ton of money is the only way to change the narrative.

I still think Tech would be far better off in the B1G. Imagine being bolstered by a competent conference management style, plus not having fellow conference members tearing you down or tearing the conference down.
 

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Yes. ESPN would be strangely quiet. It’s happened before.

I don’t think there’s any question that it was a down year for the ACC. I don’t think there’s any question that the B1G and SEC are stronger conferences this year. I don’t think there’s any question that certain vested interests will play this up in the media as if it’s a steady state reality.

The only question is will the ACC ever develop a comparable PR approach to other conferences? That and a s——— ton of money is the only way to change the narrative.

I still think Tech would be far better off in the B1G. Imagine being bolstered by a competent conference management style, plus not having fellow conference members tearing you down or tearing the conference down.
I'm not so sure there's much of a gap this year. Last year, probably.
 

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Yes. ESPN would be strangely quiet. It’s happened before.

I don’t think there’s any question that it was a down year for the ACC. I don’t think there’s any question that the B1G and SEC are stronger conferences this year. I don’t think there’s any question that certain vested interests will play this up in the media as if it’s a steady state reality.

The only question is will the ACC ever develop a comparable PR approach to other conferences? That and a s——— ton of money is the only way to change the narrative.

I still think Tech would be far better off in the B1G. Imagine being bolstered by a competent conference management style, plus not having fellow conference members tearing you down or tearing the conference down.
A down year by what metric? The ACC had 13 postseason teams this season - 2 in the CFP and 11 in other bowls. How is that indicative of a down year? What would an up year look like by contrast.
 

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It's amusing to me that some mock my post and/or "funny take".

Here's the thing. Nowhere did I say that the acc performance is no big deal as the consequences of the bowl season will be felt next year. The likelihood that the acc gets a second CFP bid next year over potential teams in the Big 10, Sec, and the Big 12 is near zero now until the ACC wins head-to-head matchups against other p4 conferences.
Tech must beat uga vs dominating them but yet still losing on the scoreboard.

On the other hand, I won't join the sky is falling and the acc sucks crowd either.

Geez. Some that are going into the mode that the ACC is the worst conference and every team sucks because of let's be honest irrelevant bowl games. Games during the season carry more weight than bowl games imo but to use the 1-9 metric as the only metric doesn't take into account the new world of NIL, portal season, CFP playoffs, and conference realignment.

Let's be real here. The world of college football is waiting to see what happens with the grant of rights lawsuit against the acc by the noles and tigers. If the acc wins, the acc will be around till 2036. If it loses, the acc is toast and we head to super conferences controlled by the Sec and the Big 10.

To the sky is falling crowd that the acc sucks for going 1-9, you at least have to look into why the acc went 1-9 objectively instead of a blanket statement that the acc sucks.

Yes, it matters that Nebraska and Vandy both were highly motivated teams that had few starters hit the portal unlike Tech and Boston College. Both tech and bc had critical pieces leave. That matters.

It matters that nc state was driving to win and a tipped pass int caused the L.

It matters that Pitt and Toledo went 6 ot's in a great football game.

It matters that Miami's hired mercenary quit because of $$$.

Does fsu beat uga last year in the orange if 35 plus players don't opt out, likely no. With Jordan Travis healthy though, they might but i guarantee you they don't lose by 50+ either.

This is the garbage argument made about conference superiority. Indiana and Osu are in the same conference, but Smu and Indiana are both called out that they don't belong, and Bama, USC or Ole Miss should've made the playoffs, yet NO ONE said anything about Tn getting SMOKED by OSU. No one said ...."The sec sucks and should only get two teams in". And for the crowd that boasts about Oregon in the Big 10 and Texas in the SEC winning for their conference just proves the insane conference superiority arguments. Texas is a legacy SWC and Big 12 located NOWHERE near the sec footprint. They are just a hired gun. Same with Oregon regarding the Big 10. I feel the exact same about Cal and SMU in the ACC. Do they count as losses but this is the first year in the conference, so they don't represent how much the conference is good or stinks. Same with Tx & Oregon. Take out Tx win and the SEC is 3-3.

Here's the thing. Why play into the narrative that the acc sucks. The media will carry that water all year. The acc is now behind the 8 ball and likely will only get the championship team in next year unless a team finishes the year ranked in the top 5 that doesn't win the conference.
if you hate the acc and want us out, email Cabrera or J Batt. I feel they will put us in the right place.

Batt and Key have our program moving in the right direction and personally the acc is wide open for us to win it as I think Tech should be favored to win the conference next year.

I could care less if duke and va tech both lose and the conference goes 1-11 but I know based on media perception, they almost have to win.

It's why i like ncaa baseball and basketball with regionals, supers, Omaha, and ncaa march madness because you have teams competing for a championship. Does Tn winning the baseball championship show that SEC rules from last year. No not really. Same in basketball, I guess UConn is the greatest team in the greatest conference in basketball. Who cares about sec v acc record in basketball. It will matter for nothing come March. In fact, the sec has only really become relevant lately as Kentucky used to be the only real power in the Sec in the 90's. In fact, it used to be the Big east/acc challenge. Then it moved to the Big 10/Acc challenge and I'll remind many on here that the Big 10 usually won those challenges even the acc took home more titles. Ok, the acc is down in basketball. Again, my argument applies with the new world of college sports as both the Uva and Miami coaches both quit due to the problems with the portal, unrestricted free agency basically and NIL. UVA won a natty less than a decade ago. Btw...the last SEC national champion is Kentucky 2012. Doesn't sound like a dominant conference to me so congratulations to the SEC on their participation trophy win in dominating the acc this year in the sec/acc challenge. I'll wait for a champion to be crowned before I care.
Also, since the sec's last champion in 2012, the acc has had four different championship teams during the last 11 years.

If you think I wasn't ticked about tech losing to Vandy despite the garbage with the refs and the portal, you are completely wrong but I'm not going to take an * victory by Vandy as an acc sucks thought.
I won't be a sky is falling type.
 
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Root4GT

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It's amusing to me that some mock my post and/or "funny take".

Here's the thing. Nowhere did I say that the acc performance is no big deal as the consequences of the bowl season will be felt next year. The likelihood that the acc gets a second CFP bid next year over potential teams in the Big 10, Sec, and the Big 12 is near zero now until the ACC wins head-to-head matchups against other p4 conferences.
Tech must beat uga vs dominating them but yet still losing on the scoreboard.

On the other hand, I won't join the sky is falling and the acc sucks crowd either.

Geez. Some that are going into the mode that the ACC is the worst conference and every team sucks because of let's be honest irrelevant bowl games. Games during the season carry more weight than bowl games imo but to use the 1-9 metric as the only metric doesn't take into account the new world of NIL, portal season, CFP playoffs, and conference realignment.

Let's be real here. The world of college football is waiting to see what happens with the grant of rights lawsuit against the acc by the noles and tigers. If the acc wins, the acc will be around till 2036. If it loses, the acc is toast and we head to super conferences controlled by the Sec and the Big 10.

To the sky is falling crowd that the acc sucks for going 1-9, you at least have to look into why the acc went 1-9 objectively instead of a blanket statement that the acc sucks.

Yes, it matters that Nebraska and Vandy both were highly motivated teams that had few starters hit the portal unlike Tech and Boston College. Both tech and bc had critical pieces leave. That matters.

It matters that nc state was driving to win and a tipped pass int caused the L.

It matters that Pitt and Toledo went 6 ot's in a great football game.

It matters that Miami's hired mercenary quit because of $$$.

Does fsu beat uga last year in the orange if 35 plus players don't opt out, likely no. With Jordan Travis healthy though, they might but i guarantee you they don't lose by 50+ either.

This is the garbage argument made about conference superiority. Indiana and Osu are in the same conference, but Smu and Indiana are both called out that they don't belong, and Bama, USC or Ole Miss should've made the playoffs, yet NO ONE said anything about Tn getting SMOKED by OSU. No one said ...."The sec sucks and should only get two teams in". And for the crowd that boasts about Oregon in the Big 10 and Texas in the SEC winning for their conference just proves the insane conference superiority arguments. Texas is a legacy SWC and Big 12 located NOWHERE near the sec footprint. They are just a hired gun. Same with Oregon regarding the Big 10. I feel the exact same about Cal and SMU in the ACC. Do they count as losses but this is the first year in the conference, so they don't represent how much the conference is good or stinks. Same with Tx & Oregon. Take out Tx win and the SEC is 3-3.

Here's the thing. Why play into the narrative that the acc sucks. The media will carry that water all year. The acc is now behind the 8 ball and likely will only get the championship team in next year unless a team finishes the year ranked in the top 5 that doesn't win the conference.
if you hate the acc and want us out, email Cabrera or J Batt. I feel they will put us in the right place.

Batt and Key have our program moving in the right direction and personally the acc is wide open for us to win it as I think Tech should be favored to win the conference next year.

I could care less if duke and va tech both lose and the conference goes 1-11 but I know based on media perception, they almost have to win.

It's why i like ncaa baseball and basketball with regionals, supers, Omaha, and ncaa march madness because you have teams competing for a championship. Does Tn winning the baseball championship show that SEC rules from last year. No not really. Same in basketball, I guess UConn is the greatest team in the greatest conference in basketball. Who cares about sec v acc record in basketball. It will matter for nothing come March. In fact, the sec has only really become relevant lately as Kentucky used to be the only real power in the Sec in the 90's. In fact, it used to be the Big east/acc challenge. Then it moved to the Big 10/Acc challenge and I'll remind many on here that the Big 10 usually won those challenges even the acc took home more titles. Ok, the acc is down in basketball. Again, my argument applies with the new world of college sports as both the Uva and Miami coaches both quit due to the problems with the portal, unrestricted free agency basically and NIL. UVA won a natty less than a decade ago. Btw...the last SEC national champion is Kentucky 2012. Doesn't sound like a dominant conference to me so congratulations to the SEC on their participation trophy win in dominating the acc this year in the sec/acc challenge. I'll wait for a champion to be crowned before I care.
Also, since the sec's last champion in 2012, the acc has had four different championship teams during the last 11 years.

If you think I wasn't ticked about tech losing to Vandy despite the garbage with the refs and the portal, you are completely wrong but I'm not going to take an * victory by Vandy as an acc sucks thought.
I won't be a sky is falling type.
Good rant. 1-9 sucks. 2-24 sucks. ACC teams need to be better. ACC teams need to win head to head games against OOC teams.
 

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Good rant. 1-9 sucks. 2-24 sucks. ACC teams need to be better. ACC teams need to win head to head games against OOC teams.
Yep. Pretty much what I said above.

I'll be happy to chip in for some dark chocolate if it helps ease the pain of 1-9 that does suck btw.
 
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