A Message our Players (Reposted from the other site.)

[Animal02]

If you think Cut wanted to run up the score, wait until the last game of the year. In fact, all these coaches do. They want to destroy our recruiting before it can take root. It is a war!

They don't need to, we are doing it ourselves.

 

[tech_wreck47]

What is the point of accepting poor coaching? Was is the point of accepting hype with no substance? Fake claims not supported by facts?

I thought we were in the era of "Big boy football"

It’s your opinion we’ve had bad coaching, but there is absolutely not 1 fact to show that. Record is not a fact either.

 

[Lee]

I think the fact we beat Gardner Webb makes it completely irrelevant.

Do you want to talk about how CGC lost to FCS Villanova last year? You know, the Temple team he patted himself on the back for after smoking Tech.

By not answering the question you told me everything I need to know. Thank you.

And no. I don’t care about Temple and don’t have nearly enough knowledge about their program to have an intelligent conversation about that game or their team last year.

If you want to bring up his past, care to reference all the DBs he’s coached that are playing in the NFL? What about the fact the he’s been nominated for the Broyles Award 3 times? Or can we only bring up the past if it makes him look bad?

 

[Techster]

If you think Cut wanted to run up the score, wait until the last game of the year. In fact, all these coaches do. They want to destroy our recruiting before it can take root. It is a war!

There's a rumor that CPJ and Cutcliffe could not stand each other. Cutcliffe openly made fun of CPJ's offense, especially when it comes to success of GT offensive players in the NFL.

When they asked Cutcliffe about his use of the spread (triple) option, who everyone credits CPJ for creating, he cited Army's success with it as why they've incorporated. One last F U from Cutcliffe to CPJ. Talk about being petty.

 

[ElCidBUZZingFAN]

By not answering the question you told me everything I need to know. Thank you.

And no. I don’t care about Temple and don’t have nearly enough knowledge about their program to have an intelligent conversation about that game or their team last year.

If you want to bring up his past, care to reference all the DBs he’s coached that are playing in the NFL? What about the fact the he’s been nominated for the Broyles Award 3 times? Or can we only bring up the past if it makes him look bad?

Who cares what he did as a DC or recruiting coordinator? That’s light years different than running the show as a head coach.

And by the way, he had NFL talent (4 drafted and 3 UFA) at Temple and still managed to lose to a FCS school, who by the way ended the year with a losing record.

Kinda drops a thermonuclear bomb on the - just wait until he gets better talent - foolishness.

 

[AE 87]

People don’t think Citadel is more talented than us. They think some people such as yourself are making way to big of a deal about it. You completely ignore the fact in Johnson’s first year we had to block a late field goal to beat Gardner Webb. And it’s obvious this transition is much more difficult than that one and this staff doesn’t have 3 players on offense that will have reasonable careers in the pros with 1 being a multi year pro bowler.

We shouldn’t have lost but we are playing with players completely in equipped to run the offense we are installing. Kind of like what Johnson was trying to do when he played Gardner Webb with Calvin Booker at qb.

Those not giving the new regime grace during this transition are showing their lack if knowledge for the sport.

When people only allow blaming our players and their lack of talent for our other losses, they are suggesting that talent was also at fault against the Citadel.

In other words, if talent was not the explanation for the Citadel loss, then something else was. That something else would also potentially be part of our other losses.

It is not a personal attack @jojatk to say that people blaming talent alone for losses to Duke etc must think that was also true vs Citadel. It's logic.

 

[malak05]

So many naive people whining about the results of scoreboard when they refuse to acknowledge a few core truths and just blame coaching....

1. You act as if we had a superior defense last year. We were sub-par at best give up ton of yards and 3rd down % that was all some older kids we lost several of those guys playing a ton of young guys and a huge dline piece to death and barely have anyone over 300 pounds on that dline currently and if you expected them all to be 315 pound beasts and pass rush specialists in 12 months your just naive
2. The oline is another undersized barely any depth unit and making a big changeover in blocking with several players that just dont fit on top of facing injuries.
3. Inconsitency usually riddles most teams when it comes to new coaching changes & system changes and this is one of the mor distract changes to go thru...

The one true thing you can blame on coaching staff perhaps is the early season qb rotation which done no favors to the team. I currently can sit and watch points of games and series and see unit improvements which is nice. I seen Graham worked several checkdowns last week for good gains, TEs getting in the mix, moments of improved blocking. I'm not sure I like the pass/run ratio at times but perhaps that's more to on the field training if they are just working things and getting reps in live fire. The defense has made adjustments in game that have been good to see and got off field to allow offense more opportunities.

The truth is the amount of overall talent on the GT roster has been in decline for 3-4 years now and all the triple option did was slightly mask that by design but the results were never going to get better it was just a slowly grinding down to halt. I for one am seeing slight improved play most weeks and understand at same time the limiations on talent that wont improve until.players continue development and recruiting pays off... you got a top 25 recruiting class right now some players are already getting rating bump and ultimately you finish first true recruiting seasons with the highest recruiting class youve had in like 7-8 years. So a few naive people need to open their eyes accept the core faults of this team and understand all that can be done at this moment is wait it out

 

[kalld12]

Who cares what he did as a DC or recruiting coordinator? That’s light years different than running the show as a head coach.

And by the way, he had NFL talent (4 drafted and 3 UFA) at Temple and still managed to lose to a FCS school, who by the way ended the year with a losing record.

Kinda drops a thermonuclear bomb on the - just wait until he gets better talent - foolishness.

LMAO. What a bright bulb you are. Its abundantly clear that when you DONT RECRUIT well, this is what you're left with. PJ knew it, everyone with half a brain knew it, its part of the reason why he hung it up. It just wasn't fun anymore. This was never going to be a successful year for us, yet most of us drank the Kool-Aid, I admit I did as well. Being that undersized in the trenches on both sides of the ball without Paul's Triple Option to counter will not get you over .500, when Paul was here our D's were god awful, but our O was always good enough to balance out the game, provide us with a winning chance. News Flash, Paul is gone, he's not coming back, some of you posters need to stop sulking and get over it. The new regime is here, and we're in a huge rebuild that could last another 1-2 years beyond this. Looking at recruiting, you'd be an idiot not to realize the talent/size about to come in, PJ barely even sniffed a Top 30 recruiting class. Until we get the size on the lines to protect our QB, open holes for out RB's, and are able to put pressure on the QB consistently, we're just not going to be a good team. SIMPLE AS THAT!

NO, recruiting is not a one stop shop to our problems, but it's a huge part of it, and not to realize that is plain ignorant. Look at any top program, they consistently recruit well, which drives the well oiled machines like Alabama/Clemson/Ohio State. Of course we'll never recruit at that level, but the talent level we have currently is subpar and we're getting exploited.

The coaches can and should be held accountable for game time management, but with the talent that GGC has inherited, it's not fair to judge him by wins and losses just yet (besides the Citadel, I think we can all agree that's inexcusable). I will say and admit that's the one thing CGC needs to understand, even if you have a 1-2 year grace period, you can't lose to FCS teams on a regular basis and keep a job as a D1 coach.

It's going to be tough being a Tech fan even next year, but years 3-4 we should see significant improvement. If not, the pressure will begin the mount quickly on CGC.

GO JACKETS!

 

[malak05]

When people only allow blaming our players and their lack of talent for our other losses, they are suggesting that talent was also at fault against the Citadel.

In other words, if talent was not the explanation for the Citadel loss, then something else was. That something else would also potentially be part of our other losses.

It is not a personal attack @jojatk to say that people blaming talent alone for losses to Duke etc must think that was also true vs Citadel. It's logic.

-Triple option offense which we know works to limit offensive opportunities
- We had a offense that was beyond struggling at that point of season and then given fact they had few chances that game
- A young defense against a triple optiom team is never a good combination and most of their success came on our big mistakes

If we played that game this week we probably win by 2 tds... offense has definitely improved

 

[Skeptic]

I wish we hadnt had to abandon the evolution in the offense from 2011 to 2013 with pistol sets and zone. Even though 14 was amazing in the base that offense qould have looked alot like what duke runs now.

Well. Roy Williams told the story once that after he won his first NC at UNC, one of the fans asked, "What do you think Ol' Dean could have done with that team?" Wonder what the pistol would have done with that '14 team?

 

[Skeptic]

This is how everything leads back to Johnson. If you want to start holding people accountable, everyone associated with the previous regime needs to stand up and take responsibility. Honestly it probably starts with Radakovich for hiring Johnson. It worked well for him because he parlayed the short term success into a job at Clemson. He was never going to be around to pick up the pieces from the triple option.

Rinse, repeat: Geoff Collins is the head ball coach at Georgia Tech. So let us hold him accountable and hope things get better.

 

[jgtengineer]

Well. Roy Williams told the story once that after he won his first NC at UNC, one of the fans asked, "What do you think Ol' Dean could have done with that team?" Wonder what the pistol would have done with that '14 team?

We didn't need it in 2014 because thomas was perfect for the undercenter version that hit a little faster. but if we had kept it in the playbook for variety it would have been a good call. The issue was CPJ wanted to hire an OC and didn't have the money for a good one. Ended up hiring cook and tryign to do it himself. If Vad hadn't been so afraid of contact and running the base offense he never would have abandoned it. The problem was JT's skillset was really good for the base offense and when you have something you know is going to work like 2014 you keep it up. Looking at who we were recruiting with yates and graham and oliver I almost wonder if he wasn't planning to transition back before he decided to retire.

 

[Boaty1]

Rinse, repeat: Geoff Collins is the head ball coach at Georgia Tech. So let us hold him accountable and hope things get better.

I just don’t see how you can hold Collins accountable for this season. Seems extremely unfair.

 

[GTJake]

Tariq was also quoted in the AJC that we got "bullied" by Duke in the First Half ... lets hope Tariq puts this message up on the door into the weight room !

 

[Skeptic]

We didn't need it in 2014 because thomas was perfect for the undercenter version that hit a little faster. but if we had kept it in the playbook for variety it would have been a good call. The issue was CPJ wanted to hire an OC and didn't have the money for a good one. Ended up hiring cook and tryign to do it himself. If Vad hadn't been so afraid of contact and running the base offense he never would have abandoned it. The problem was JT's skillset was really good for the base offense and when you have something you know is going to work like 2014 you keep it up. Looking at who we were recruiting with yates and graham and oliver I almost wonder if he wasn't planning to transition back before he decided to retire.

I think we will just disagree on much of this, but mostly on the view that Paul Johnson would ever give up his offense. Going all the way back to GSU and Erk Russell, who the story goes, hired Johnson and moved on to AD, then discovered Johnson actually head coaching on the practice field. He ran him back to the offensive side because "That's what I hired you for." Might have something to do with 10 years, not counting this one, of bad defenses. Ivan Jasper did not become OC at Navy until Johnson came to Tech. So, no, I am no buying into that. Johnson would give up Fox before surrendering his offense.

 

[Skeptic]

I just don’t see how you can hold Collins accountable for this season. Seems extremely unfair.

I don't quite know how to respond to that. I just don't.

 

[Boaty1]

I don't quite know how to respond to that. I just don't.

Yeah. Not sure how you don’t get it.

It’s cool. We just disagree.

 

[Skeptic]

Tariq was also quoted in the AJC that we got "bullied" by Duke in the First Half ... lets hope Tariq puts this message up on the door into the weight room !

Bullied by Clemson, maybe. Bullied by Georgia, maybe. Duke? I hope it has not come to that.

 

[Boaty1]

Bullied by Clemson, maybe. Bullied by Georgia, maybe. Duke? I hope it has not come to that.

It’s been going on the last 6 years.

 

[jgtengineer]

I think we will just disagree on much of this, but mostly on the view that Paul Johnson would ever give up his offense. Going all the way back to GSU and Erk Russell, who the story goes, hired Johnson and moved on to AD, then discovered Johnson actually head coaching on the practice field. He ran him back to the offensive side because "That's what I hired you for." Might have something to do with 10 years, not counting this one, of bad defenses. Ivan Jasper did not become OC at Navy until Johnson came to Tech. So, no, I am no buying into that. Johnson would give up Fox before surrendering his offense.

The thing was is it was going to be his offense he was surrendering. It was going to be evolving it. The thing that doesn't track is Johnson tried the hands off defense thing with Groh. it failed. Erk was the AD before johsnon was hired back from navy where he was the OC. it went Erk Stowers then elwood then Johnson. And Johnson was originally a defensive coach for Erk. Erk had him build an offense out of the formations and styles they hated defending.

But there was probably another reason for the story you heard. The defensive cooardinator of Georgia Southern at the time was Rusty Russell. Erk's son. So yeah pretty sure Russell was acting as the DC even from the AD position. Also Sewak was listed as OC during that time.