1/7 - MBB @ Syracuse

[spdrama]

You've obviously never shot in a dome. It ain't the same... It is called depth-perception. Trust me, it makes a difference.

That said, we had an opportunity to practice in the dome and we were in shootarounds, so while it was an issue, it typically works itself out as the game goes on.

Not to mention, they weren't shooting it very well either.

“Dome effect” is not, statistically a thing, when the court is set up at midfield at an indoor football stadium. A couple of studies have debunked that as a myth. HOWEVER, in Syracuse the court is set up in the corner of an end zone and the empty expanse facing to the opposite end zone for shots facing that direction has been described by at least one player as “like shooting in outer space”. Charles Barkley would agree with that. McCollum looked lost in space, but the team has no excuse for last night’s awful play in spacing, distribution, & foul shooting.

Defensively the team has played much better against much better.

We had 2 players in boots, but their rookie big man sensation was also in a boot. Normally I think we would gladly take that swap.

Syracuse repeatedly told Tech:”please, we beg of you, take the lead, put the game away and just take the win”.
Tech repeatedly answered: “ no thanks, you can have this one, you need it more”.

In the overall scheme of things it was just one game. Time to move on. Have not paid any attention to SMU. They were soundly beaten at NC last night. On to the next one. A big game before that one. Lady Jackets (15-0), one of only 5 unbeaten WBB teams & ranked #13 in the country, hosts VT tomorrow night. Give them a look. Or better yet, go see them play.

 

[gte447f]

You've obviously never shot in a dome. It ain't the same... It is called depth-perception. Trust me, it makes a difference.

That said, we had an opportunity to practice in the dome and we were in shootarounds, so while it was an issue, it typically works itself out as the game goes on.

Not to mention, they weren't shooting it very well either.

Well, you’re right about one thing, I’ve never shot baskets in a “dome” I guess. But I’ve shot in dozens of other types of gyms and never had any issues with depth perception. Serious question, what difference does a dome make? I imagine the background against which you are shooting is roughly the same in most arenas. When shooting a 3 pointer, you are looking up on an incline of about 10 degrees. At that angle, I imagine you are going to be seeing the stands beyond the basket as the background. Is the dome effect due to the fact that those stands behind the basket are set back farther than in other arenas? If so, then why isn’t this an issue when shooting on courts outside. The background and the distance to the background is much more varied on courts outside, but no one has a problem with depth perception on outdoor courts.

Regardless, I don’t buy it. If it was a real thing, Syracuse would be all time undefeated. You said yourself, you adjust quickly during the game. If that’s the case then warmup/shootaround should be sufficient to overcome the dome effect.

 

[gte447f]

All good points , hey , the uniforms for GT.
Is this the adidas’s black color like we have for football .
Just wondering ?

Whatever it is, it’s crap.

 

[Connell62]

-Duncan Powell going behind the back with three guys around him as if those guys fell off a cliff once he got by them.

-Baye’s STUPID fouls.

-NTG throwing that pass up the sideline to I believe Powell and right outta bounds when there was really no benefit to getting the ball to that location

You totally captured the 3-4 times that my face exploded last night. The one with Duncan especially pissed me off. You're not a guard my dude... Pull it out and get it to one of your guards.

 

[Connell62]

Our front court players shot 5 for 17 (.294) in that game. They (Ndongo, Mutombo, Souare and Powell) had 17 total looks of GT's 66 (26%) field goal attempts.

Those numbers are horrendous. Ndongo himself should be getting double digit looks every game.

Only 8 assists on 24 made field goals is also bad. The offense was not prepared to attack their D.

They were just terrible, and it really only Lampkin defending them. Bad showing by those guys, and I am especially down on Baye.

Baye is giving more effort and he’s trying, but he’s pretty much taken himself off the top of any scouting report. I don’t see why any team would be worried about him doing much damage. Outside of alley-oops on the pick-and-roll, it feels like it usually ends in a turnover or a missed shot and a silly foul. I’m pulling for him, but his play is easily my biggest frustration right now.

Oh...one more thing... Free throw shooting? We were 1-9 late into the second half.

 

[gte447f]

Oh don’t forget constantly repeating that NTG is one of the best PGs in the country. The CC guy said that about another player in this game as wel.

Look, Nait is very good, one of my favorites and a really good story. But he is a poor man’s Ed Cota and clearly doesn’t have the talent around him Cota did.

The things that really reeeeaallllly **** me off is stuff like:

-Duncan Powell going behind the back with three guys around him as if those guys fell off a cliff once he got by them.

-NTG (I think) throwing the chicken wing out there just a few minutes after the officials made that same call against someone else.

-Baye’s STUPID fouls.

-Not recognizing when to pull the ball back out when the break looks like garbage.

-NTG throwing that pass up the sideline to I believe Powell and right outta bounds when there was really no benefit to getting the ball to that location

Just low IQ plays that you don’t see a whole lot of good teams make. In a game where the margin is so thin you have to value the basketball and this program seems to make dumb plays at the absolute WORST times. Not this team, this program, YoY is just…damn.

I have an addition I would like to make to your list of gripes:

• This team’s and especially Nait George’s obsession with throwing the lob pass for an alley-oop. We don’t really have the athletes to be going up and catching and dunking alley-oops in traffic, and George insists on throwing them into traffic. I haven’t charted it, but I bet these stupid passes result in a turnover or at least a missed field goal more than 50% of the time.

 

[Connell62]

Well, you’re right about one thing, I’ve never shot baskets in a “dome” I guess. But I’ve shot in dozens of other types of gyms and never had any issues with depth perception. Serious question, what difference does a dome make? I imagine the background against which you are shooting is roughly the same in most arenas. When shooting a 3 pointer, you are looking up on an incline of about 10 degrees. At that angle, I imagine you are going to be seeing the stands beyond the basket as the background. Is the dome effect due to the fact that those stands behind the basket are set back farther than in other arenas? If so, then why isn’t this an issue when shooting on courts outside. The background and the distance to the background is much more varied on courts outside, but no one has a problem with depth perception on outdoor courts.

Regardless, I don’t buy it. If it was a real thing, Syracuse would be all time undefeated. You said yourself, you adjust quickly during the game. If that’s the case then warmup/shootaround should be sufficient to overcome the dome effect.

Simple as this... McCamish holds what ~ 10K, whereas their dome holds ~ 40K? It's difficult to explain, but it is different and takes times to adjust (I didn't say quickly).

To be clear, I'm not suggesting we lost because of shooting, but I think it was a factor in our slow start. Seems like we missed our first 6-8 shots from deep.

 

[awbuzz]

Can we redirect our ire toward the broadcast duo?

• Did you know that Syracuse's game plan was to make Nait George shoot?
• Did you know that this was a physical game? (it wasn't)
• Did you know that Syracuse's star freshman, Donnie Freeman, was hurt? (no mention of O'Brien or Reeves)

I might have heard that at the time or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 last night.

 

[stingray]

I have an addition I would like to make to your list of gripes:

• This team’s and especially Nait George’s obsession with throwing the lob pass for an alley-oop. We don’t really have the athletes to be going up and catching and dunking alley-oops in traffic, and George insists on throwing them into traffic. I haven’t charted it, but I bet these stupid passes result in a turnover or at least a missed field goal more than 50% of the time.

We need to make better decisions Nait passing the ball to Mutombo at the start of the game was just a mistake. We don't have a leader on this team to will us through the storms to victory. I miss the potential of last roll players like Gapare,Sacko,both had length.

 

[kg01]

Oh don’t forget constantly repeating that NTG is one of the best PGs in the country. The CC guy said that about another player in this game as wel.

Look, Nait is very good, one of my favorites and a really good story. But he is a poor man’s Ed Cota and clearly doesn’t have the talent around him Cota did.

The things that really reeeeaallllly **** me off is stuff like:

-Duncan Powell going behind the back with three guys around him as if those guys fell off a cliff once he got by them.

-NTG (I think) throwing the chicken wing out there just a few minutes after the officials made that same call against someone else.

-Baye’s STUPID fouls.

-Not recognizing when to pull the ball back out when the break looks like garbage.

-NTG throwing that pass up the sideline to I believe Powell and right outta bounds when there was really no benefit to getting the ball to that location

Just low IQ plays that you don’t see a whole lot of good teams make. In a game where the margin is so thin you have to value the basketball and this program seems to make dumb plays at the absolute WORST times. Not this team, this program, YoY is just…damn.

Oh my gawd, I thought it was just me. Love Powell's energy but when he did that I just had to walk away.

Like, bro, at what point in life does it make sense to tricky-dribble between 3 actual defenders? I'm not talking about the Washington Generals that're there to fake-defend. I'm talking dudes that actually wanna take the ball from you.

Have some awareness.

Also agree with whoever pointed out the issues with our lobs. There's something off there.

 

[kg01]

“Dome effect” is not, statistically a thing, when the court is set up at midfield at an indoor football stadium. A couple of studies have debunked that as a myth. HOWEVER, in Syracuse the court is set up in the corner of an end zone and the empty expanse facing to the opposite end zone for shots facing that direction has been described by at least one player as “like shooting in outer space”. Charles Barkley would agree with that. McCollum looked lost in space, but the team has no excuse for last night’s awful play in spacing, distribution, & foul shooting.

Defensively the team has played much better against much better.

We had 2 players in boots, but their rookie big man sensation was also in a boot. Normally I think we would gladly take that swap.

Syracuse repeatedly told Tech:”please, we beg of you, take the lead, put the game away and just take the win”.
Tech repeatedly answered: “ no thanks, you can have this one, you need it more”.

In the overall scheme of things it was just one game. Time to move on. Have not paid any attention to SMU. They were soundly beaten at NC last night. On to the next one. A big game before that one. Lady Jackets (15-0), one of only 5 unbeaten WBB teams & ranked #13 in the country, hosts VT tomorrow night. Give them a look. Or better yet, go see them play.

Gahdayum this is an excellent post. The bit where you described how desperately Cuse wanted to lose this game was particularly gut-wrenching.

 

[Techwood Relict]

But I'm not still bitter...

Me either. That's the taste of the crappy homemade lemonade Peacone served up after his losing hundy on the spread bet.......

 

[Rzunz]

I have an addition I would like to make to your list of gripes:

• This team’s and especially Nait George’s obsession with throwing the lob pass for an alley-oop. We don’t really have the athletes to be going up and catching and dunking alley-oops in traffic, and George insists on throwing them into traffic. I haven’t charted it, but I bet these stupid passes result in a turnover or at least a missed field goal more than 50% of the time.

I saw one successful (Ndongo) and several unsuccessful…

 

[awbuzz]

CDS points out ONLY 8 assists, kind of pooh poohs the dome effect. The dome should not affect passing or hanging on to the ball.

 

[Connell62]

CDS points out ONLY 8 assists, kind of pooh poohs the dome effect. The dome should not affect passing or hanging on to the ball.

LOL...he's the one that mentioned shooting in a dome first...lol

Watch his media avail prior to the game where he talks about playing in the Georgia Dome.

 

[awbuzz]

Listen around the 1:25 to 1:30 mark as he starts to talked about shooting inside the dome and points out that Syracuse didn't do that good of a job either even though that is their home court.
Not saying that there's not an effect, but that it isn't the end-all.

 

[Peacone36]

Me either. That's the taste of the crappy homemade lemonade Peacone served up after his losing hundy on the spread bet.......

I am not a Tech graduate so a unit for me is far less than a benny. And i took Syracuse (-1) to mush, its worked in the past. Last night, the gods were spiteful.

 

[orientalnc]

I played in Alexander when the state tournament was there years ago. That was a very difficult transition from a high school gym. I bet a domed football stadium is far more difficult.

 

[Peacone36]

Simple as this... McCamish holds what ~ 10K, whereas their dome holds ~ 40K? It's difficult to explain, but it is different and takes times to adjust (I didn't say quickly).

To be clear, I'm not suggesting we lost because of shooting, but I think it was a factor in our slow start. Seems like we missed our first 6-8 shots from deep.

I went to high school with a guy who played PG on our team. He was a good point guard, tremendous defender, but not much of a scorer, maybe 5 ppg.

The arena we used to play the Maine state tournaments in was nicknamed “The Barn” and was obviously far less intimate than gyms in Maine. Darryl spoke before the tournament that he LOVED the rims and the backdrop at the Auditorium.

He hit 5 triples the first night and the team went to the Eastern Conference Championship.

The backdrop absolutely matters when shooting.

 

[AUFC]

If you watch each one of Javian's jumpers last night, it's obvious how much the backdrop affected him. I have not seen Javian miss the rim all season. I have ESPECIALLY not seen him miss the rim on 3+ shots in a single game.