1/7 - MBB @ Syracuse

gte447f

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If you watch each one of Javian's jumpers last night, it's obvious how much the backdrop affected him. I have not seen Javian miss the rim all season. I have ESPECIALLY not seen him miss the rim on 3+ shots in a single game.
Agree McCollum’ first 5 or so shots looked very awkward. I thought it might have had something to do with the fact that one of his first shots was blocked from behind after he had beat his man and thought he had time to take an easy one but he was wrong.
 

Rzunz

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If you watch each one of Javian's jumpers last night, it's obvious how much the backdrop affected him. I have not seen Javian miss the rim all season. I have ESPECIALLY not seen him miss the rim on 3+ shots in a single game.
100%. I told SWMBO the same thing!
 

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I am not a Tech graduate so a unit for me is far less than a benny. And i took Syracuse (-1) to mush, its worked in the past. Last night, the gods were spiteful.


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davesbrain

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With all this talk about not shooting well in domes, we better get better because the ncaa tournament games, especially late rounders, are often in domes...

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...Never mind, not going to be an issue...
 

Tommy_Taylor_1972

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With all this talk about not shooting well in domes, we better get better because the ncaa tournament games, especially late rounders, are often in domes...

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...Never mind, not going to be an issue...
I don't get it about shooting in a dome is different. Georgia Tech plays home games in the thriller dome. Kids grow up playing on outdoor courts with no ceilings. In high school, I played in a modified barn structure seating 400 that had rafters so low that they would obstruct 20 foot shots from anywhere but the corners. Our shuffle-oriented offense won the Georgia Class C (small high schools with less than 150 students) state championship in 1968 averaging 80 PPG in 32 minutes, with a game-winning margin of 31 points per game.

Properly coached and practiced shooters shoot good, regardless of the arena. I was taught to look into the basket over the front rim, the coach saying that would force you to focus on the rim and into the basket. I heard the Syracuse game announcer say something to the effect that Damon shot 5 for 7 three pointers in that same Carrier Dome in 1995. I doubt he would say the dome affected his shooting. I do notice that in the renovated Alexander Memorial Coliseum that the overhead lighting can blind the shooter near the basket looking upward.
 

Tommy_Taylor_1972

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He comes out of a line of coaches who don’t coach that way. Some of the greatest college and NBA coaches were rather stoic on the sideline.
There is probably a good reason that coaches in the era between 1910-11 and 1948-49, when the rules of basketball did not allow a coach or anyone on the bench to talk to any players on the court, not even at time outs. Coaches prepared the players in practice and typically sat on the bench and watched the game, displaying a picture of calmness during the game. The demeanor of these era coaches, as well as their players who went on to coach, are exemplified by such coaches as John Wooden, Whack Hyder, Norm Sloan coached by Everett Case at NC State, Hank Iba at OK State, and Dean Smith coached by Phogg Allen. at Kansas. Homer Rice has that same calm demeanor from his high school coaches in the early 1940's. The one exception I saw was Bobby Knight, who was coached at Ohio State by Fred Taylor, winning a national championship in 1960. Fred played in the early 1940's. I think Bobby was the poster child for the somewhat erratic behavior of some coaches from the 1970's on.

Damon's college coach Lute Olson, whose first coaching job was in Los Angeles at Long Beach State in 1972, has stated that his cross town mentor John Wooden at UCLA and that is where he learned his offense patterns. It makes sense that Damon would emulate the Coach Wooden calmness, but I never saw Wooden stand during game action when we played UCLA. I think it is well understood by his staff that Damon always stands, since I saw no seat for him on the bench last night alongside his seven similarly dressed assistants. Wooden coached hard (in the best of ways to win, as Bill Walton said when he was told to trim his hair) and I believe Damon is following suit. I agree that it takes adjustments from some players to benefit from that style coaching, unless they had it in high school or in their previous schools.
 

GT33

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Just low IQ plays that you don’t see a whole lot of good teams make. In a game where the margin is so thin you have to value the basketball and this program seems to make dumb plays at the absolute WORST times. Not this team, this program, YoY is just…damn.
Hate to say it like this but when you root for GT for a long time, you get used to being disappointed. What you never get used to is GT playing dumb basketball. Nothing about GT should ever be dumb, we have another in-state school that's supposed to excel in that for us.
 

Tommy_Taylor_1972

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Hate to say it like this but when you root for GT for a long time, you get used to being disappointed. What you never get used to is GT playing dumb basketball. Nothing about GT should ever be dumb, we have another in-state school that's supposed to excel in that for us.
The only thing I can think of that is dumb is the inability to execute the most important basic skills to focus on are: dribbling, passing, shooting, rebounding, and basic defensive positioning; essentially mastering the "core four" of basketball - dribbling, passing, shooting, and defense - while also understanding how to rebound effectively. And that dumbness comes from the lack of ability or desire to perform the basics, no matter the opponent nor the offensive pattern. No player on the court should be without these basic basketball capabilities. It is easy to forget the basics and venture off into other aspects of basic basketball, such as was popularized by the in famous Pistol Pete at the time. Nothing fancy. I got summoned to the bench at UNC's Carmichael Auditorium when I made a hook shot in the lane over center Bob McAdoo, which the coach called me showing out.

Initially when I graduated to the varsity from thefreshman team, I wondered why Tech Coach Whack Hyder on why during every game warmup we could come out of the tunnel, circle the court, shoot layups to the Ramblin' Reck, line up in two lines, do basic passing drills of four type passes, then dribble to the other line left and right hand, then defend the dribbler sliding the feet (no crossovers) to the other line, then have a shooting drill. That reemphasized the basketball basics, which reminded up to do it in games. No matter what the offense, all five players on the court were moving somewhere for some purpose. We got beat by teams who did the basics better and beat those who did not. Basketball is a simple game, and successful if the desire to play it is there.
 

GT33

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@Tommy_Taylor_1972 By dumb I don't mean effort plays that go awry, I mean stuff like:

a. Throwing a wild, nearly length of court pass to another player that's 1 on 3 resulting in a turnover as it sailed out of bounds. Had the pass even been successful, it would have had zero positive benefit as the intended player was outnumbered
b. Not this game but throwing a pass at the back of another players head when he had no chance of seeing it had even been thrown
c. Another member posted the setting of a pick by throwing your elbow out right after it had just been called against the other team

There's others, but I'm mainly referring to what I characterize as mental errors. You also cited great points about the lack of reinforced basic skills resulting in higher percentages of screw ups. That is all coaching in my opinion but you can argue instilling discipline, training the team to be mentally tough is also coaching.
 

leatherneckjacket

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We’ve done that already.

Ok, I shouldn’t have taken your comment as an attack so here is one example of this line of coaches:


It perhaps started with John Wooden, considered one of the greatest college coaches ever, and includes people like NBA coach Phil Jackson, considered one of the top coaches in NBA history.
Denny Crum is another. There are many others. Not every coach is like rat face or Bobby Knight.
 

Tommy_Taylor_1972

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@Tommy_Taylor_1972 By dumb I don't mean effort plays that go awry, I mean stuff like:

a. Throwing a wild, nearly length of court pass to another player that's 1 on 3 resulting in a turnover as it sailed out of bounds. Had the pass even been successful, it would have had zero positive benefit as the intended player was outnumbered
b. Not this game but throwing a pass at the back of another players head when he had no chance of seeing it had even been thrown
c. Another member posted the setting of a pick by throwing your elbow out right after it had just been called against the other team

There's others, but I'm mainly referring to what I characterize as mental errors. You also cited great points about the lack of reinforced basic skills resulting in higher percentages of screw ups. That is all coaching in my opinion but you can argue instilling discipline, training the team to be mentally tough is also coaching.
I agree with you that those type mistakes are happening as well due to bad decision by the players when trying to execute the of the fundamentals.
 
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