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Tend to agree with you, but if you can win the ACC, you have a pretty good shot at getting in the playoffs and then anything is possible.

It was an average season going back to the late 80's. Win/loss record was marginally better but the weak schedule resulted in us not being ranked for a single week during the year. Go back and look at what our program was over the 2 decades before that and you will see that is really below our...

This got a sincere chuckle out of me. How the rest of the nation understood the lack of talent on this team combined with the offensive transition was going to lead to a massive rebuild yet the folks who watch us play the most wee totally missed it is hard for me to understand unless some just...

2014 was a great year. No denying that. I was one of the 5k or so fans that was down Miami celebrating the OB. It really is an outlier however when you remove what he did in 08 & 09 with the players he inherited. We were not good in 16. We didn’t spend 1 week ranked. We were an average team...

I told people rushing to take the over on 4 wins on the season that I thought we would struggle to get there and to be careful on those bets. Nothing has surprised me other than the Citadel game.

If what you say is true then why was Paul’s best back to back years his first 2? Your argument just doesn’t make sense so please let it die.

We are not worse than where we should be. We were picked last in the conference and thanks to Syracuse are actually better than that. VT is playing really good ball and I doubt we win this weekend. I think we get NCSU for our second conference win which is really about as good as one could...

He’s being intentionally obtuse. No reason explaining it to him.

Sorry my friend. Disagree big time with you here. We have average talent at DB and RB and that is about it. Everything else is well below average including the qb and ol play bring some of the worst you will see at the P5 level.

I hear you and understand your concerns. Take away the Citadel game and the man is doing about all he can with the talent on the field. If he’s not doing better by year 3 I’ll be carrying the torches with you.

Man, the 70’s & 80’s were tough on you old timers. Many have still not gotten over it.

I expect improvement next year. It all depends on if we can reasonable play at qb and OL. I understand it’s difficult going from a coach whose offense could work with this type of talent to one that doesn’t. But this is a necessary step. Growing pains will have to take place because it was...

Disagree here as well. At least I do with Collins as coach because he is actually concerned with perception. The previous regime cared nothing about it. Some here enjoyed that about him but college football is all about perception.

Agreed. He better have it figured out by year 3. Till then all the bitching and morning is just noise.

Yeah. My experience for one is absolutely nothing like yours. For example I went to the Clemson Syracuse game last year and wore my GT stuff obviously. I can’t tell you how many people asked how much longer we were going to stick with Johnson. They talked about how fun the GT/Clemson game used...

Yes. The same challenges we’ve historically overcome. I’m glad I don’t work with people that see no hope after a brief downturn and are so willing to throw in the towel without giving other options time and consideration.

It’s not selective double counting. Just additional data. If BYU who finished ranked equally as much as we did, never finished in the top 10 while we finished in the top 10 3 times with an MNC, I think most would think that was better.

Yeah. Sorry about that.

I think me and you are talking about 2 completely different things. Even your data shows over the past 30 years we are a borderline top 25 program. Look, I’m sure you are much smarter than myself. But I’m talking about over a given period of time, how many programs were better than us. In...

And it’s not even the years that we’re being disputed. The claim was the was that we were a top 25 program from 89-14. It’s clear when you take out the last 4 years that we were a top 25 program. Honestly, looking at the the data over the 30 years leading up to this year we were still a top...