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  1. Ceiling of the Program

    Historically every loss but Clemson is not considered a bad loss in the ACC. It was this year but I’m sure the conference will return to it’s more solid if not spectacular norm next year. 2017 had 2 4 loss ACC teams in the final ap ranking. NCSU & VT.
  2. Ceiling of the Program

    True, as is local talent.
  3. Ceiling of the Program

    Yeah. I honestly think Auburn is within sight. I know that’s not an opinion most agree with but that to me is who we should be gunning for. We need to get to the point that we win our fair share of recruiting battles against them. They wore us out this year but we did go head to head for many...
  4. Ceiling of the Program

    First there is a big difference between saying we should average 7 wins a season and saying we should win 10 every season. Probably some middle ground in there that should be our expectations.
  5. Ceiling of the Program

    I’m afraid you are getting caught up in coaching debate. If you can’t acknowledge 3-9 as a disaster then there is not much to discuss.
  6. Ceiling of the Program

    Gailey won between 7-9. I don’t think Chan Gailey represents our ceiling.
  7. Ceiling of the Program

    15, 16, 17, 18 & 19 are the 5 years I’m referring to. Haven’t been ranked since the second week of 15. One the longest stretches in my 3 decades plus of being a tech fan.
  8. Ceiling of the Program

    A lot of good times to be had when you are consistently in the top 25. A lot of big games are played when you are there and spikes from that baseline result in really great years. Making this means you are in the top third of P5. We have a very solid program
  9. Ceiling of the Program

    5 straight top 25 seasons with a top 10 finish is what the last 5 years of the O’Leary years were. With the way he had us recruiting there was no reason to believe we were going anywhere. With the way Collins has recruited in his first year it seems we are heading in the right direction. This...
  10. Ceiling of the Program

    Yes!!! They have no clue how much their pessimism damages the program. My goodness if I was thinking of becoming a fan then came to this board I would say heck no, these people aren’t even believing they can compete.
  11. Ceiling of the Program

    No. I don’t believe we can consistently recruit in the top 10. I do however believe we should expect to recruit in the top half of the ACC with some years in the top 4. With our resources I think anything below that is seriously underperforming on the recruiting trail.
  12. Ceiling of the Program

    12 of those 17 years we played an 11 game schedule instead of 12. An average of that span does not describe our ceiling.
  13. Ceiling of the Program

    77th in NFL talent? My God Johnson was an even better coach than I thought he was. You do realize players go the pros from outside those 4 programs don’t you?
  14. Ceiling of the Program

    Since we joined the ACC we have been a borderline top 25 program. I believe we should expect to return to that as these last 5 years have been a disaster. We have a lot of resources here. I think Collins is doing a solid job selling this program a can return us to a consistent threat to win...
  15. Who Emerged This Year & What Did They Show You?

    I concur with this. I don’t really see anyone on this team that will be a sure fire pro.
  16. Attendance

    Honestly, I don’t think there is anyway Collins gets fired after next year unless he goes winless.
  17. Attendance

    Come on man. This season ended without a bowl trip just like 2 of the previous 4. It’s not like he inherited a juggernaut.
  18. Why does Sec dominate the Acc every year?

    100%. Yet many on here are acting as if this is legitimate and responding with reasons. Ridiculous
  19. Why does Sec dominate the Acc every year?

    I think the ACC sucked this year. That hasn’t been the case in recent years and the SEC certainly hasn’t been dominant against the ACC.
  20. Attendance

    Sometimes you have to take a step backwards before you can go forward. That is what is happening here.
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