Where does College BB go from here

[RonJohn]

No, the NCAA cannot force the NBA or the players to do anything. However, the NCAA could institute a rule that all scholarships given to freshmen are 2-year scholarships. If a kid skips out after his freshman year, the school loses that scholly for the second year. That would give the schools pause when offering an obvious 1-and-done. Not all schools would care, but most would. That's something well within the control of the NCAA.

If they were really serious about the school portion of student athlete, they could require that all scholarships be 4-year scholarships that can't be transferred. That way schools would be forced to look for kids who actually are interested in a college education. I seriously doubt the NCAA would go for either a two year or a four year mandatory scholarship rule because it would hurt the money the NCAA gets from the NCAA tournament.

 

[g0lftime]

I am not sure that loss of about 10 to 20 kids a year directly to the pros would matter. Schools would still be competitive and fans wouldn't be able to tell the difference. You don't miss what you never had in the first place.

 

[MWBATL]

If they were really serious about the school portion of student athlete, they could require that all scholarships be 4-year scholarships that can't be transferred.

Ha ha ha ha ha. That was joke right? I mean, no one seriously believes any of that NCAA student athlete crapola after the UNC decisions and the overall place of college basketball today, do they?

It is what makes some GT fans and their stubborn insistence on GT maintaining its academic integrity so silly to me, as it flies in there face of reality.

 

[awbuzz]

No, the NCAA cannot force the NBA or the players to do anything. However, the NCAA could institute a rule that all scholarships given to freshmen are 2-year scholarships. If a kid skips out after his freshman year, the school loses that scholly for the second year. That would give the schools pause when offering an obvious 1-and-done. Not all schools would care, but most would. That's something well within the control of the NCAA.

Do it! 4 year would be better.

 

[orientalnc]

Something less onerous and a lot less likely to be challenged in court is to make every freshman year a redshirt year. That was the rule for a long time and worked well. The NCAA would have to increase the number f scholarship athletes in each sport impacted, but having kids attend classes for a year before they could play would help the marhinal kids adjust and deter the one and done kids completely. Marvin Bagley would likely be playing in Spain or Turkey unless the NBA opened up their developmental league to higher $ contracts.

The beauty of this for the NBAPA would be the competition for young players might drive up salaries in the NBA.

 

[RamblinRed]

I will admit, the FR redshirt has always been something I thought made alot of sense. if you truly care about the kids academics it would allow them to have a year to get used to college.
If you limited FR to say 10 hrs a week as well it would do even more.

 

[GTHomer]

I will admit, the FR redshirt has always been something I thought made alot of sense. if you truly care about the kids academics it would allow them to have a year to get used to college.
If you limited FR to say 10 hrs a week as well it would do even more.

While this makes a lot of sense, I wonder if there is too much money involved for the powers that be to consider this. Also, if you did this for basketball, it would have to be done for every other sport. We know why that would have to be.

 

[orientalnc]

While this makes a lot of sense, I wonder if there is too much money involved for the powers that be to consider this. Also, if you did this for basketball, it would have to be done for every other sport. We know why that would have to be.

You may be right, but the NCAA already has a different set of rules depending on the sport. Football and basketball are headcount sports and the teams cannot divide scholarships among multiple athletes. Baseball, track, swimming, etc. are equivalency sports. Each team in equivalency sports gets x number of scholarships and can award full or partial scholarships to as many athletes as they wish, but can not exceed that number in total.

It would not be a shock to see freshmen eligibility allowed in equivalency sports, but not in the head count sports.

 

[Peacone36]

There is absolutely zero chance the NCAA makes these kids sit. They are way too talented and publicized, not to mention marketable. NCAA has to get their cut before they move on.

Trae Young's early season dominance basically replaced the FBI talk

 

[orientalnc]

There were a lot of "money" players before the advent of one and dones.

 

[RonJohn]

There is absolutely zero chance the NCAA makes these kids sit. They are way too talented and publicized, not to mention marketable. NCAA has to get their cut before they move on.

Trae Young's early season dominance basically replaced the FBI talk

That is the reason I believe the NCAA is eventually going to have huge problems.

The NCAA's defense against the players' threatened lawsuits are that they are amateur students competing for their academic institution against other academic institutions. The more the NCAA and their member schools run the sports as a business and not as an amateur competition between academic institutions, the more likely the players will be able to prove that they are in fact a business.

I don't care if the NCAA or the member institutions can't keep the current level of earning and spending. They should do what their charter and documentation says they are doing instead of simply trying to make money off of what in many cases are only the so-called "student athletes". The NCAA is supposedly a non-profit organization. It isn't bad for a non-profit to try to increase revenue and donations, but the NCAA has been operating like a for-profit business for a long time.

 

[YlJacket]

I agree with your basic premise but that horse left the barn a long time ago.
The Jeannie is not going back in the bottle.
every other cliche you wish to add here.

 

[jeffgt14]

I'm curious what y'all think the success rate would be on high schooler's going straight to the NBA? Are these kids more or less prepared now than they were 15 years ago?

There really weren't that many players going straight to the NBA at the time but there was a trend developing similar to the trend that's developing now on the number of college athletes bolting for the NBA after just 1 year. My guess is only Bagley and Porter Jr. would've jumped straight to the NBA this past year. Probably no one the year before due to Giles' injury.

 

[Peacone36]

Mitchell Robinson would have gone...

 

[YlJacket]

I think more would go now. IMHO the number of kids drafted after one year show where the NBA thinks the talent is. I don't think a lot of kids play themselves into draft picks during that one year as much as most (not all) simply confirm that they are as talented as thought/expected.

Again IMHO if you go back to straight out of HS, you will get a few more mistakes plus the number of freshmen already being drafted.

 

[dtm1997]

I'm curious what y'all think the success rate would be on high schooler's going straight to the NBA? Are these kids more or less prepared now than they were 15 years ago?

There really weren't that many players going straight to the NBA at the time but there was a trend developing similar to the trend that's developing now on the number of college athletes bolting for the NBA after just 1 year. My guess is only Bagley and Porter Jr. would've jumped straight to the NBA this past year. Probably no one the year before due to Giles' injury.

I think you're waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay underestimating how many kids would've taken the crack at jumping straight to the pros this past year and probably the year before.

ETA: I'd bet most of these kids would've tested the waters or gone if they could have from the 2017 class.

Bagley, Porter Jr., Ayton, Bamba, Wendell Carter, Trevon Duval, Hami Diallo (did test the waters as a "none & done"), Mitchell Robinson. That's the minimum I see giving it a go.

I wouldn't have been surprised if Brandon McCoy, Jarred Vanderbilt, Kevin Knox, Nick Richards, PJ Washington, Gary Trent Jr., Billy Preston all gave it a shot too.

Were they ready? Who knows.

Would many have given it a shot? Absolutely.

 

[jeffgt14]

Well I'm not certain the NBA would spend a first round pick on high schoolers that aren't as much of a sure thing.

 

[dtm1997]

Well I'm not certain the NBA would spend a first round pick on high schoolers that aren't as much of a sure thing.

How many sure things have we seen from the 1 & dones or the international realm?

The NBA scouts are all in Atlanta right now watching practices for the McDonald's All American Game. They see these kids play at Nike Hoop Summit, Adidas Nations, etc.

The high high end of the HS realm are well scouted before they get to college and are reasonably known commodities to the NBA folks.

Ask Dickie V what the basis for the NBA draft is...

 

[orientalnc]

I think you're waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay underestimating how many kids would've taken the crack at jumping straight to the pros this past year and probably the year before.

I agree with this 100%. Sexton, Young, Gafford, Fernando, Bamba, Porter, Bagley, Carter, Ayton, Jackson, Knox, Gilgeous-Alexander, Lonnie Walker, and Troy Brown just to name a few that I think would have been certain. I am sure I missed a few more.

 

[Peacone36]

Diallo should have gone

I think he is the single most overrated player in college basketball