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Was our defense hamstrung in the past?

Discussion in 'Georgia Tech Football' started by dressedcheeseside, Apr 7, 2019.

  1. bobongo

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    That may well be true, and it almost certainly had an effect, if true. And I agree with all the good and bad aspects you point out about CPJ. But keep in mind that CPJ himself had much better success - great success, in fact- at the lower levels, where I think the effects on recruiting didn't bear as much on the level of talent vis-a-vis the level of competition as it does at the P5 level.
     
  2. Augusta_Jacket

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    I would only edit this to clarify that it was it's effect on defensive recruiting that was the issue. Everyone knew coming in that we would be recruiting generally lesser ranked offensive recruits as "system fits." It was our lack of being able to consistently recruit top tier defensive talent that ultimately cost us several seasons. In both 2011 and 2012, GT fielded teams ranked 16th and 11th in OFEI with the oft-maligned TW as QB and David Sims as starting BB. Our offense was churning right along without any real star power to speak of. It was the defense that was our prevalent issue. Now, whether the D woes were due to talent, scheme, poor coaching, or head coaches intentionally sabotaging their D is open to debate. I tend to believe it's a mixture of all but the last one.
     
  3. TheSilasSonRising

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    But when we held spring or preseason scrimmages with our 1s vs 2s and 2s vs 1s, or 1s vs 1s, what O did our D get their time against?
     
  4. awbuzz

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    ... sigh...

    What did the practice against on October 15th last year?
     
  5. bobongo

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    I wonder if the offensive scheme had an effect on defensive recruiting as well, because of the issue of what you had to practice against - scout team or the oddball offense of the first- and second-team. Recruiting did seem roughly equal on both sides of the ball. The offensive scheme mitigated the effects of the offensive recruiting. Defense had no such allaying facility. Bottom line is that the offensive scheme helped the offense and hurt the defense. Practicing against the wrong scheme hurt per se, but it was recruiting that was affected most by that, IMO.
     
  6. BurdellJacket

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    It's your use of the phrase "oft-maligned TW as QB" that really bothers me. Tevin met or exceeded virtually every offensive stat of Joshua Nesbitt. Josh had more yards rushing but he had many more carries. On yards per carry Josh had only 0.08 more ypc. Passing, Tevin had much better yards per attempt, completion percentage and passing efficiency. And the team offense was just as efficient as under JN. Most on here thought more highly of JN because we had much better defenses and therefore won more.
     
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  7. LongforDodd

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    This...is why most on here thought more highly of JN. All of your other statistics are valid and true but make no mistake about it. This is why.

     
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  8. Milwaukee

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    Jf'nN. Get it right.
     
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  9. BurdellJacket

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    So I understand. In a discussion of the efficacy of one SA over another in this august body (of which only statistical proofs based on stats are sacrosanct), one wonderful play of daring and luck would rule.
     
  10. smathis30

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    moreso the attitude that came with it, plato.

    dude played tough and to win at all costs.
     
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  11. Heisman's Ghost

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    He is not maligned by me that is for sure. Tevin was handicapped by some pretty poor defenses during his time as starter. There were games that I felt like we had to score damn near every drive to win. A three and out was almost fatal. I don't know who the defensive experts on this board would say is the worst defensive coordinator we had but Coach Groh was the only one that I can think of that was dismissed during the season. I am not sure about that though, is that right? Was it talent? Was it coaching? Was it both? All I know is that changing coordinators did not seem to help much, if at all. I thought Woody was the best but maybe a case can be made for the first guy. What was his name again? But then, he had demonstrably better players to work with too.
     
  12. UgaBlows

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    You can’t deny that he was very maligned by our fanbase during his tenure as QB, definitely not deserved but it is what it is.
     
  13. Augusta_Jacket

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    I'm as big a TW fan as there is on these boards, but he gets almost no credit for how stinking good he was in this offense and spent his senior year with everyone clamoring for Vad Lee to start.That's why I used the term. It has nothing to do with my appreciation for his play.
     
  14. Augusta_Jacket

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    This is what I meant by the quote.
     
  15. g0lftime

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    Josh Nesbitt was both physically and mentally tough. Great player for us. One of my favorites. Hope he is being successful in life.
     
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  16. UgaBlows

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    I know, i have no idea why he took offense to it.
     
  17. LongforDodd

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    I don't want this to be turned into another thread derailment so we can discuss this more elsewhere if you wish. I apologize to everyone if my comment was misplaced.
     
  18. BurdellJacket

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    I’m sorry, @Augusta_Jacket, I misunderstood you.
     
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    Yes, the defense was hamstrung in the past. Reasons:
    1. As stated by an active member of the defense in an AJC article (wtte) 'we see the looks in practice that we'll see in games." Further, defensive players sit in on offensive meetings to understand routes and strategies. They could never have done that under CPJ.
    2. Not seeing common passing schemes was a disincentive to recruiting defensive talent.
    3. Assuming the above are credible, it would help explain why multiple DC's couldn't fix the problem.
     

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