Uniforms vs Louisville

jojatk

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Without correcting any of your potential misconceptions about the history, the short answer is that you don’t create a brand by perpetuating chaos.
That’s a different discussion. You were talking about an identity we supposedly had and gave up. I asked when that happened. It was certainly before 1984, no?

As for BUILDING an identity I disagree that at this point the uniform has anything to do with it. It has to start on the field. Be a consistent winner. That’s how you build.
 

Northeast Stinger

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That’s a different discussion. You were talking about an identity we supposedly had and gave up. I asked when that happened. It was certainly before 1984, no?

As for BUILDING an identity I disagree that at this point the uniform has anything to do with it. It has to start on the field. Be a consistent winner. That’s how you build.
We will have to agree to disagree.

But to explain why I can’t agree with you….

We have had an identity at various times and then squandered it. That identity encompasses 4 national championships. The color scheme was a consistent rotation involving 2 helmets, 3 jerseys and 2 pants. That was it.

Yes, people came along and screwed that up at various times, like Curry, who introduced the Colorado, Army, Purdue color scheme for the ridiculous reason that he thought it was cool. And there were others. But our best seasons and our national recognitions have coincided with more sane and predictable color combinations.
 

jojatk

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We will have to agree to disagree.

But to explain why I can’t agree with you….

We have had an identity at various times and then squandered it. That identity encompasses 4 national championships. The color scheme was a consistent rotation involving 2 helmets, 3 jerseys and 2 pants. That was it.

Yes, people came along and screwed that up at various times, like Curry, who introduced the Colorado, Army, Purdue color scheme for the ridiculous reason that he thought it was cool. And there were others. But our best seasons and our national recognitions have coincided with more sane and predictable color combinations.
All of what you describe is long in the past. I agree that we HAD an identity. It was based on performance. From that we built a brand, not the other way around. You have to have something upon which to build.

Don’t get me wrong. If I thought it would make even a tiny bit of difference I’d care or worry about consistency of our uniforms. I just don’t think it makes a difference. But I wouldn’t mind if we did something consistent and I dig the color combos you talked about.
 
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DaDodd

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Paul Johnson is the one who started the hate for our white and gold. Ridiculous
What are you talking about? He's the one who brought back wearing white at home. Most of CPJ era was GWG. He only wore navy as a coach but the team only wore it a few times. The all navy mess came with Stansbury.
 

FlatsLander

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So basically our win percentage was better with blue during that stretch than with the other two?
Here's our WP with each color of pants since 2018, including the UL game 2 weeks ago.
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TampaBuzz

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This is all very interesting, but I have a question: Is there anybody out there who will vouch for the theory that the uniform actually has any bearing on whether the Jackets win or lose?
I can vouch for the theory, but I can't actually prove it. Is that what you are asking? If it were proven, it would no longer be a theory. I like my theory, "We look and play poorly when wearing blue britches this year." Right now, my theory is 100% accurate, but let's not test it by wearing those god awful things again this year.
 

bobongo

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I can vouch for the theory, but I can't actually prove it. Is that what you are asking? If it were proven, it would no longer be a theory. I like my theory, "We look and play poorly when wearing blue britches this year." Right now, my theory is 100% accurate, but let's not test it by wearing those god awful things again this year.
Your theory is actually a hypothesis.
Let me put it another way: Does anyone out there actually believe that uniforms have any bearing on whether the Jackets win?
If so, exactly how do they bear on victory or defeat?
 

JacketOff

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Your theory is actually a hypothesis.
Let me put it another way: Does anyone out there actually believe that uniforms have any bearing on whether the Jackets win?
If so, exactly how do they bear on victory or defeat?
I don’t think anyone actually thinks uniforms have a measured impact on the outcome of games, but it’s almost a guarantee there is a psychological impact in some way, shape, or form. If you played sports in the age of alternate uniforms you would know. “Look good, feel good, play good” is a real thing, and so are superstitions. Whether or not fans like a uniform or not is irrelevant, but it does make a difference inside the locker room. The Boston Red Sox who are pretty big uniform traditionalists, are adding their “city connect” alternates into their rotation full time instead of replacing them with another version because of how much success they’ve had while wearing them. And those uniforms don’t match their color palette at all.

There is probably also something to be said for teams that don’t mess around with alternates and the players not even worrying about uniform combinations. Alabama, UGA, the Packers, the Yankees, etc. The only distinction in uniforms is whether you’re at home or on the road, everything else is the same.

Long answer short, do uniforms automatically mean a W or L? No. But they can make a difference. How big of a difference is a study I don’t have the capacity to build out.
 

bobongo

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I don’t think anyone actually thinks uniforms have a measured impact on the outcome of games, but it’s almost a guarantee there is a psychological impact in some way, shape, or form. If you played sports in the age of alternate uniforms you would know. “Look good, feel good, play good” is a real thing, and so are superstitions. Whether or not fans like a uniform or not is irrelevant, but it does make a difference inside the locker room. The Boston Red Sox who are pretty big uniform traditionalists, are adding their “city connect” alternates into their rotation full time instead of replacing them with another version because of how much success they’ve had while wearing them. And those uniforms don’t match their color palette at all.

There is probably also something to be said for teams that don’t mess around with alternates and the players not even worrying about uniform combinations. Alabama, UGA, the Packers, the Yankees, etc. The only distinction in uniforms is whether you’re at home or on the road, everything else is the same.

Long answer short, do uniforms automatically mean a W or L? No. But they can make a difference. How big of a difference is a study I don’t have the capacity to build out.
Thank you for your response. I've always liked consistency personally, but I'd just like to note that I think I read somewhere that the players vote on their uniforms, albeit within certain parameters.
If I'm mistaken, somebody please correct me on that.
 

TampaBuzz

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Thank you for your response. I've always liked consistency personally, but I'd just like to note that I think I read somewhere that the players vote on their uniforms, albeit within certain parameters.
If I'm mistaken, somebody please correct me on that.
That may be true. Is so, here are my parameters:

Pants: White or gold
Jersey: White, gold or blue (blue is limited to once (maybe twice) per year and preferably is paired with white britches.)
Helmet: White or gold

Simple. Stick to traditional color schemes and eliminate all the nonsense.
 

bobongo

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That may be true. Is so, here are my parameters:

Pants: White or gold
Jersey: White, gold or blue (blue is limited to once (maybe twice) per year and preferably is paired with white britches.)
Helmet: White or gold

Simple. Stick to traditional color schemes and eliminate all the nonsense.
I agree with this completely, and I'm not crazy about the blue pants. I'm just dubious about its effect on whether the Jackets win or lose a particular game.
 
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