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Whiskey_Clear said:
How did TX do after that?
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As long time texas gt guy who now lives in new Fla, I will try to relate this to recruiting and success and coach.


After 10 coaching spots , Mack came to texas and UT and he fit like a glove. They both prospered, but when Baylor beat them 3 of 4 ( only texas win was by 5 in a shootout) it was time for him to go in 13. Before 13 he had top 5 recruiting classes for as far as the eye could see. After the baylor losses they dropped to 17 in recruiting. "THE" universtity had the talent and it was not being coached up.
They were getting beat by other teams they usually beat.
Also baylor had the air raid and they lined up like we do except qb was in shotgun and they passed over the talent.
Texas was embarrassed . (It was wonderful)


When Earl Campbell said it's time to move on; it didnt matter what would happen , he had to go .

So what happened

They brought in Strong to discipline up the players. He made changes but they weren't effective in w l and recruiting did not return to a high level. He cant coach well either.
In recruiting
2014 #17
2015 #10
2016 7
2017 25
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION in recruiting
Under strong they were way down for texas but still in elite.

Texas BOUGHT the u of H staff in
2018 #3
2019 #9 (currently).
Herman has the lower ranked players playing at a high level and they will play uga on new years day.

The amount of $ at U of T and Texas A M is huge.

Hope this context and number content helps
 

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NtTomNtPhilGCollins said:
Your son has 10-12 teammates majoring in LMC at GT

Wake up it's 2018, this ain't Dodd's GT
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The point @flea77 is trying to make, which you continually miss, is that majors may similar in title but are quite different. You are saying LMC is "easy! It's just communications!"

Let's take a look:

Source: https://lmcdegree.lmc.gatech.edu/description-of-curriculum/
GT Core Required Courses (I'll skip the wellness, English, and History stuff):
MATHEMATICS(8 hours)
Students must complete a math core sequence, usually two courses in MATH 1711 and 1712 but students may also do an all-Calculus sequence resulting in 3 courses.

LAB SCIENCE(8 hours)
Students take two of the following eight courses: BIOL 1510, BIOL 1520, CHEM 1211K, CHEM 1212K, CHEM 1310, EAS 1600, EAS 1601, EAS 2600, PHYS 2211 or PHYS 2212.

INTRO TO COMPUTING(3 hours)
Students complete either CS 1315, CS 1301, or a computer programming course approved as satisfying the general education requirements in computer literacy.

SCIENCE OR COMPUTING ELECTIVES(6 hours)
LMC students are required to take an additional two courses in either science, computing, or a combination of the two.​


Let's compare that to Stanford's Communications major:
Source: https://comm.stanford.edu/major/
1. Five Core Courses
1. COMM 1 – Introduction to Communication
or COMM 1B – Media, Culture, and Society
2. COMM 106: Communication Research Methods (prerequisite – Statistics)
3. COMM 108: Media Processes and Effects
4. COMM WIM (writing in the major) Courses:



    • COMM 104W, Reporting, Writing, and Understanding the News,
    • COMM 120W, Digital Media in Society,
    • COMM 137W, The Dialogue of Democracy,
    • COMM 142W Media Economics, or
    • COMM 143W Communication Policy & Regulation
5. Statistics 60 (does not count toward the 60 units in the major)

2. Students must take a minimum of four courses in the following two areas, including at least one course from each area, as specified below
Area I: Communication Processes and Effects

COMM 121: Behavior and Social Media
COMM 124: Lies, Trust, and Tech
COMM 135: Deliberative Democracy and its Critics
COMM 137W: The Dialogue of Democracy
COMM 145: Personality and Digital Media
COMM 162: Campaigns, Voting, Media and Elections
COMM 164: The Psychology of Communication About Politics in America
COMM 166: Virtual People
COMM 172: Media Psychology
COMM 326: Advanced Topics in Human Virtual Representation

Area II: Communication Systems & Institutions

COMM 104W: Reporting, Writing, and Understanding the News
COMM 116: Journalism Law
COMM 120W: Digital Media in Society
COMM 125: Perspectives on American Journalism
COMM 142W: Media Economics
COMM 143W: Communication Policy and Regulation
COMM 151: The First Amendment: Freedom of Speech and Press
COMM 152: Constitutional Law
COMM 153: Political Campaigning in the Internet Age
COMM 154: The Politics of Algorithms
COMM 157: Information Control in Authoritarian Regime
COMM 158: Censorship and Propaganda
COMM 177I: Becoming a Watchdog
COMM 177P: Programming in Journalism
COMM 177T: Building News Applications
COMM 177Y: Foreign Correspondence
3. Elective credit
The remainder of the 60 required units may be fulfilled with any elective communication courses, or a combination of communication courses and up to 10 units of pre-approved courses in other departments. ​

Do you see a single requirement of advanced math, lab science, computer science, or science/computing-related electives?

Even for non S/A's the curriculum is much more difficult for an LMC major than it would be at Stanford. There is nowhere to hide at GT.



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I have been in CH since I graduated -er got out. I saw Mack Brown come to UNC . They were 1-10 his first 2 years but he really recruited both NC and Virginia very hard. They were darn good toward the end. He left when he realized he could win 10 games and FSU was still ACC champions. He got upset when they had a really good team and the BB team had an open scrimmage and most of the alums left the stadium to go to that. He also went through a divorce and may have wanted to get away from CH. He is a good recruiter. Much like Collins. Very positive and likeable. One of the things that hurt him at Tx was that A&M went to the SEC and cost him the edge in recruiting Texas plus he had a good staff there initially.
 

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steebu said:
The point @flea77 is trying to make, which you continually miss, is that majors may similar in title but are quite different. You are saying LMC is "easy! It's just communications!"

Let's take a look:

Source: https://lmcdegree.lmc.gatech.edu/description-of-curriculum/
GT Core Required Courses (I'll skip the wellness, English, and History stuff):
MATHEMATICS(8 hours)
Students must complete a math core sequence, usually two courses in MATH 1711 and 1712 but students may also do an all-Calculus sequence resulting in 3 courses.

LAB SCIENCE(8 hours)
Students take two of the following eight courses: BIOL 1510, BIOL 1520, CHEM 1211K, CHEM 1212K, CHEM 1310, EAS 1600, EAS 1601, EAS 2600, PHYS 2211 or PHYS 2212.

INTRO TO COMPUTING(3 hours)
Students complete either CS 1315, CS 1301, or a computer programming course approved as satisfying the general education requirements in computer literacy.

SCIENCE OR COMPUTING ELECTIVES(6 hours)
LMC students are required to take an additional two courses in either science, computing, or a combination of the two.​


Let's compare that to Stanford's Communications major:
Source: https://comm.stanford.edu/major/
1. Five Core Courses
1. COMM 1 – Introduction to Communication
or COMM 1B – Media, Culture, and Society
2. COMM 106: Communication Research Methods (prerequisite – Statistics)
3. COMM 108: Media Processes and Effects
4. COMM WIM (writing in the major) Courses:



    • COMM 104W, Reporting, Writing, and Understanding the News,
    • COMM 120W, Digital Media in Society,
    • COMM 137W, The Dialogue of Democracy,
    • COMM 142W Media Economics, or
    • COMM 143W Communication Policy & Regulation
5. Statistics 60 (does not count toward the 60 units in the major)

2. Students must take a minimum of four courses in the following two areas, including at least one course from each area, as specified below
Area I: Communication Processes and Effects

COMM 121: Behavior and Social Media
COMM 124: Lies, Trust, and Tech
COMM 135: Deliberative Democracy and its Critics
COMM 137W: The Dialogue of Democracy
COMM 145: Personality and Digital Media
COMM 162: Campaigns, Voting, Media and Elections
COMM 164: The Psychology of Communication About Politics in America
COMM 166: Virtual People
COMM 172: Media Psychology
COMM 326: Advanced Topics in Human Virtual Representation

Area II: Communication Systems & Institutions

COMM 104W: Reporting, Writing, and Understanding the News
COMM 116: Journalism Law
COMM 120W: Digital Media in Society
COMM 125: Perspectives on American Journalism
COMM 142W: Media Economics
COMM 143W: Communication Policy and Regulation
COMM 151: The First Amendment: Freedom of Speech and Press
COMM 152: Constitutional Law
COMM 153: Political Campaigning in the Internet Age
COMM 154: The Politics of Algorithms
COMM 157: Information Control in Authoritarian Regime
COMM 158: Censorship and Propaganda
COMM 177I: Becoming a Watchdog
COMM 177P: Programming in Journalism
COMM 177T: Building News Applications
COMM 177Y: Foreign Correspondence
3. Elective credit
The remainder of the 60 required units may be fulfilled with any elective communication courses, or a combination of communication courses and up to 10 units of pre-approved courses in other departments. ​

Do you see a single requirement of advanced math, lab science, computer science, or science/computing-related electives?

Even for non S/A's the curriculum is much more difficult for an LMC major than it would be at Stanford. There is nowhere to hide at GT.



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Facts don't fit into the ignorant Troll's narrative
 
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g0lftime said:
One of the things that hurt him at Tx was that A&M went to the SEC and cost him the edge in recruiting Texas plus he had a good staff there initially.
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They also made a string of, in hindsight, poor choices in recruiting. Allegedly Jamies Winston wanted to go there, and I forget the others, but there was a run of several after McCoy where they chose the wrong Qb. Mack is a good recruiter and a good coach. Those unc teams of his were pretty doggone good at the end and gave us fits.
 
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steebu said:
The point @flea77 is trying to make, which you continually miss, is that majors may similar in title but are quite different. You are saying LMC is "easy! It's just communications!"

Let's take a look:

Source: https://lmcdegree.lmc.gatech.edu/description-of-curriculum/
GT Core Required Courses (I'll skip the wellness, English, and History stuff):
MATHEMATICS(8 hours)
Students must complete a math core sequence, usually two courses in MATH 1711 and 1712 but students may also do an all-Calculus sequence resulting in 3 courses.

LAB SCIENCE(8 hours)
Students take two of the following eight courses: BIOL 1510, BIOL 1520, CHEM 1211K, CHEM 1212K, CHEM 1310, EAS 1600, EAS 1601, EAS 2600, PHYS 2211 or PHYS 2212.

INTRO TO COMPUTING(3 hours)
Students complete either CS 1315, CS 1301, or a computer programming course approved as satisfying the general education requirements in computer literacy.

SCIENCE OR COMPUTING ELECTIVES(6 hours)
LMC students are required to take an additional two courses in either science, computing, or a combination of the two.​


Let's compare that to Stanford's Communications major:
Source: https://comm.stanford.edu/major/
1. Five Core Courses
1. COMM 1 – Introduction to Communication
or COMM 1B – Media, Culture, and Society
2. COMM 106: Communication Research Methods (prerequisite – Statistics)
3. COMM 108: Media Processes and Effects
4. COMM WIM (writing in the major) Courses:



    • COMM 104W, Reporting, Writing, and Understanding the News,
    • COMM 120W, Digital Media in Society,
    • COMM 137W, The Dialogue of Democracy,
    • COMM 142W Media Economics, or
    • COMM 143W Communication Policy & Regulation
5. Statistics 60 (does not count toward the 60 units in the major)

2. Students must take a minimum of four courses in the following two areas, including at least one course from each area, as specified below
Area I: Communication Processes and Effects

COMM 121: Behavior and Social Media
COMM 124: Lies, Trust, and Tech
COMM 135: Deliberative Democracy and its Critics
COMM 137W: The Dialogue of Democracy
COMM 145: Personality and Digital Media
COMM 162: Campaigns, Voting, Media and Elections
COMM 164: The Psychology of Communication About Politics in America
COMM 166: Virtual People
COMM 172: Media Psychology
COMM 326: Advanced Topics in Human Virtual Representation

Area II: Communication Systems & Institutions

COMM 104W: Reporting, Writing, and Understanding the News
COMM 116: Journalism Law
COMM 120W: Digital Media in Society
COMM 125: Perspectives on American Journalism
COMM 142W: Media Economics
COMM 143W: Communication Policy and Regulation
COMM 151: The First Amendment: Freedom of Speech and Press
COMM 152: Constitutional Law
COMM 153: Political Campaigning in the Internet Age
COMM 154: The Politics of Algorithms
COMM 157: Information Control in Authoritarian Regime
COMM 158: Censorship and Propaganda
COMM 177I: Becoming a Watchdog
COMM 177P: Programming in Journalism
COMM 177T: Building News Applications
COMM 177Y: Foreign Correspondence
3. Elective credit
The remainder of the 60 required units may be fulfilled with any elective communication courses, or a combination of communication courses and up to 10 units of pre-approved courses in other departments. ​

Do you see a single requirement of advanced math, lab science, computer science, or science/computing-related electives?

Even for non S/A's the curriculum is much more difficult for an LMC major than it would be at Stanford. There is nowhere to hide at GT.



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Holy mic drop, Batman
 
LibertyTurns

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steebu said:
The point @flea77 is trying to make, which you continually miss, is that majors may similar in title but are quite different. You are saying LMC is "easy! It's just communications!"

Let's take a look:

Source: https://lmcdegree.lmc.gatech.edu/description-of-curriculum/
GT Core Required Courses (I'll skip the wellness, English, and History stuff):
MATHEMATICS(8 hours)
Students must complete a math core sequence, usually two courses in MATH 1711 and 1712 but students may also do an all-Calculus sequence resulting in 3 courses.

LAB SCIENCE(8 hours)
Students take two of the following eight courses: BIOL 1510, BIOL 1520, CHEM 1211K, CHEM 1212K, CHEM 1310, EAS 1600, EAS 1601, EAS 2600, PHYS 2211 or PHYS 2212.

INTRO TO COMPUTING(3 hours)
Students complete either CS 1315, CS 1301, or a computer programming course approved as satisfying the general education requirements in computer literacy.

SCIENCE OR COMPUTING ELECTIVES(6 hours)
LMC students are required to take an additional two courses in either science, computing, or a combination of the two.​


Let's compare that to Stanford's Communications major:
Source: https://comm.stanford.edu/major/
1. Five Core Courses
1. COMM 1 – Introduction to Communication
or COMM 1B – Media, Culture, and Society
2. COMM 106: Communication Research Methods (prerequisite – Statistics)
3. COMM 108: Media Processes and Effects
4. COMM WIM (writing in the major) Courses:



    • COMM 104W, Reporting, Writing, and Understanding the News,
    • COMM 120W, Digital Media in Society,
    • COMM 137W, The Dialogue of Democracy,
    • COMM 142W Media Economics, or
    • COMM 143W Communication Policy & Regulation
5. Statistics 60 (does not count toward the 60 units in the major)

2. Students must take a minimum of four courses in the following two areas, including at least one course from each area, as specified below
Area I: Communication Processes and Effects

COMM 121: Behavior and Social Media
COMM 124: Lies, Trust, and Tech
COMM 135: Deliberative Democracy and its Critics
COMM 137W: The Dialogue of Democracy
COMM 145: Personality and Digital Media
COMM 162: Campaigns, Voting, Media and Elections
COMM 164: The Psychology of Communication About Politics in America
COMM 166: Virtual People
COMM 172: Media Psychology
COMM 326: Advanced Topics in Human Virtual Representation

Area II: Communication Systems & Institutions

COMM 104W: Reporting, Writing, and Understanding the News
COMM 116: Journalism Law
COMM 120W: Digital Media in Society
COMM 125: Perspectives on American Journalism
COMM 142W: Media Economics
COMM 143W: Communication Policy and Regulation
COMM 151: The First Amendment: Freedom of Speech and Press
COMM 152: Constitutional Law
COMM 153: Political Campaigning in the Internet Age
COMM 154: The Politics of Algorithms
COMM 157: Information Control in Authoritarian Regime
COMM 158: Censorship and Propaganda
COMM 177I: Becoming a Watchdog
COMM 177P: Programming in Journalism
COMM 177T: Building News Applications
COMM 177Y: Foreign Correspondence
3. Elective credit
The remainder of the 60 required units may be fulfilled with any elective communication courses, or a combination of communication courses and up to 10 units of pre-approved courses in other departments. ​

Do you see a single requirement of advanced math, lab science, computer science, or science/computing-related electives?

Even for non S/A's the curriculum is much more difficult for an LMC major than it would be at Stanford. There is nowhere to hide at GT.



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Thanks. This topic has been beaten to death here but it appears some latch on to the tired old narrative of the academics are the same at GT as elsewhere. I went to Stanford, posted an article from there about how they work around admission standards, but apparently I don’t know anything about that school either.
 
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LibertyTurns said:
Thanks. This topic has been beaten to death here but it appears some latch on to the tired old narrative of the academics are the same at GT as elsewhere. I went to Stanford, posted an article from there about how they work around admission standards, but apparently I don’t know anything about that school either.
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Well, first off you're quoting a post that is not even arguing the same thing you are. You are quoting a post that is arguing the curriculum is harder once admitted, and you are arguing lax admission standards. You do realize that's two separate arguments.

You are arguing they 'work around admission standards'. Well, every school works around its admission standards for regular students in order to admit athletes, even Tech. So are you saying Stanford lets a large number of exceptions in? 5 out of their top 7 rated recruits with Ivy offers doesn't seem like a ton of exceptions to me. Doesn't Tech let a handful of exceptions in? How poor can the academics of the exceptions be? If the difference is school A lets 4 exceptions in that are better football talent than the 4 exceptions for school B, there is no unfair advantage in admissions for school A. They are just better recruiters.

Honestly, the 'Tech is harder because of the curriculum' is a better argument than admissions. Yes, you went to Stanford, and yes, you posted a very informative article. Thanks. But neither you nor your article get into specifics that prove Stanford is more lax on its admissions for even certain select SAs than Tech is. And arguing that Stanford does all these extra things or is quoted as saying they "treat their athletes as special needs students" doesn't prove that Tech isn't putting an equal effort into helping its athletes through school. In fact, I think you're selling short the job Paul Johnson and Todd Stansbury have done in order to have the academic support, emphasis and focus in place to raise graduation rates so high. Fact is, there is no evidence at all beyond people's stubborn excuse-making that Georgia Tech is harder to recruit to than Stanford based on admissions.

In terms of the curriculum, even others on here have argued that the problem is it is limiting, not necessarily harder. Tech's focus on math and science make it harder for a kid whose intellectual strength is verbal. It could also be that a kid who is strong in spatial and mathematical reasoning but not as adept verbally fits better at Tech than Stanford. And athletic males tend to be more math/science oriented than verbal.
 
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http://investigations.myajc.com/football-admissions/
This is from 4 years ago, but the important tidbit is that according to the article, at that time, we had a special admit with a combined Verbal/Math SAT of 590. We can be proud of our academic standards without lying to ourselves or being dishonest about it. We do do things the right way, but we don't have to act like we have it harder than anybody and everybody else, and the world is just so unfair. It's enough to say we give a player a much more valuable degree than a factory, but we refuse to accept mediocrity on the field.
 
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Madison Grant said:
This is from 4 years ago, but the important tidbit is that according to the article, at that time, we had a special admit with a combined Verbal/Math SAT of 590.
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My brother-in-law taught him math in HS. He was shocked that GT let him in, and equally shocked that he chose GT. He was the reason I was willing to give CCG a couple more years. I was shocked that CCG won this recruiting battle and had convinced the hill to let him in.
 
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Madison Grant said:
We do do things the right way, but we don't have to act like we have it harder than anybody and everybody else, and the world is just so unfair. It's enough to say we give a player a much more valuable degree than a factory, but we refuse to accept mediocrity on the field.
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Mostly agree. We have it harder than the factories and the state schools like WVU that can let anybody in, but Duke, Stanford, Northwestern, and a lot of other schools also have tough admissions standards. My assertion has always been that the problem isn't "getting them in" or even "keeping them in as much as it is getting them to choose us in the first place. IMO, this has more to do with the limited availability of majors. Being a smaller STEM school does limit the offerings somewhat. It's not a show stopper though, and with the right sales pitch, you can get someone to see the value of the degrees we offer in the modern workforce.
 

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Milwaukee said:
Both sides are hitting each other with cold hard facts that neither side wants to acknowledge.

On that note, my local grocery store is closed and I'm all out of booze.

Merry Xmas
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Well that's incredibly poor planning on your part! How can you let that happen?:)
 
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NtTomNtPhilGCollins said:
This has never been proven, yet it is oft repeated by GT fans on various msg boards

They simply worked harder and scoured the Country and did the things that GT under TPR refused to do, or wasn't able to do, due to his unappealing offense

Harbaugh left a legacy of no excuses, work your *** off and let the chips fall where they may, and Stanford has been living up to that ever since
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Stanford also is in Cali, offers WAY more majors, and Calculus is not a requirement. While they are the same in regards to being high academic schools, they are very different in recruiting.
 
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