This kind of stuff is way different from CPJ

[jgtengineer]

It was always 'if we had done this' or 'if we had done that' for most of the past 11 years. Hopefully Coach Collins can change that mindset too.

It's been that way for longer than that. That's the nature of football. If O'leary's team doesn't **** the bed against FSU in 98 and also doesn't lose to BC in the first game of the season Joe has a Heisman and we likely play TENN for the title..

The point is we were not that far away under johnson. There's been a lot of revisionist bs lately since the man retired.

 

[Techster]

It's been that way for longer than that. That's the nature of football. If O'leary's team doesn't **** the bed against FSU in 98 and also doesn't lose to BC in the first game of the season Joe has a Heisman and we likely play TENN for the title..

The point is we were not that far away under johnson. There's been a lot of revisionist bs lately since the man retired.

GT has always been a VERY good program. We haven't experienced the highest of highs lately (that being a National Championship in 1990), but every coach since Ross has played for an ACC Championship or won it (save one coach...ahem). GT had the second longest bowl streak that spanned 2 decades at one time.

Anyone who discounts what CPJ did is an idiot. 2 OBs, 3 ACCCGs, and two top 10 finishes. That's impressive for any team in the nation, even more impressive at a school like GT.

GT's problem wasn't CPJ. GT's problem goes all the way back to Dodd and some decisions he made...but that's for an entirely different thread with a lot of complexity to it.

 

[Animal02]

GT has always been a VERY good program. We haven't experienced the highest of highs lately (that being a National Championship in 1990), but every coach since Ross has played for an ACC Championship or won it (save one coach...ahem). GT had the second longest bowl streak that spanned 2 decades at one time.

Anyone who discounts what CPJ did is an idiot. 2 OBs, 3 ACCCGs, and two top 10 finishes. That's impressive for any team in the nation, even more impressive at a school like GT.

GT's problem wasn't CPJ. GT's problem goes all the way back to Dodd and some decisions he made...but that's for an entirely different thread with a lot of complexity to it.

GT's problem goes back to the day the NFL became a viable (in the minds of some) career path as well as a major entertainment venue.

 

[RickStromFan]

It's been that way for longer than that. That's the nature of football. If O'leary's team doesn't **** the bed against FSU in 98 and also doesn't lose to BC in the first game of the season Joe has a Heisman and we likely play TENN for the title..

The point is we were not that far away under johnson. There's been a lot of revisionist bs lately since the man retired.

We were kinda close if not for at least a dozen or so plays in 2014 (not counting the handful of plays that DID go our way that year). But we were light years away when he retired. We were nowhere close to competing with Clemson and the mutts, nevermind defeating both teams in a single season. We weren't competitive with Duke. To begin to think that we were not that far away when he retired is revisionist BS. Almost all fans agree it was time to move on.

 

[Techster]

GT's problem goes back to the day the NFL became a viable (in the minds of some) career path as well as a major entertainment venue.

When Dodd pulled us out of the SEC, he invariably ceded our place in Atlanta sports. No more annual games with 'Bama, Auburn, Tennessee that drew large crowds and LOTS of media attention. Made even worse over the years as Atlanta has become the city where all those school's graduates move to. UGA became the "hometown" team to root for against those SEC teams simply by GT removing ourselves out of the conversation. Think of what Gamedays are like with Clemson and UGA. Now imagine having to play Auburn/Tennesseee/Florida/USCe/'Bama/Ole Miss/etc. Those are multiple games GT would be in the national conversation...especially given how we've actually been a really good program.

Also, think of all the money GT gave up with attendence, TV contracts, sponsorship opportunities, etc. GT was so destitute during the "lost years" before the ACC that we almost gave up major sports. Instead of building up our war chest and stacking money, we wandered around hoping to find a home. Probably hundreds of millions of revenue given up during that period up to today given the disparity in media contracts between the SEC and ACC.

Do you think those hundreds of millions would be useful now given the arms race with facilities and coaches salaries?

 

[Animal02]

When Dodd pulled us out of the SEC, he invariably ceded our place in Atlanta sports. No more annual games with 'Bama, Auburn, Tennessee that drew large crowds and LOTS of media attention. Made even worse over the years as Atlanta has become the city where all those school's graduates move to. UGA became the "hometown" team to root for against those SEC teams simply by GT removing ourselves out of the conversation. Think of what Gamedays are like with Clemson and UGA. Now imagine having to play Auburn/Tennesseee/Florida/USCe/'Bama/Ole Miss/etc. Those are multiple games GT would be in the national conversation...especially given how we've actually been a really good program.

Also, think of all the money GT gave up with attendence, TV contracts, sponsorship opportunities, etc. GT was so destitute during the "lost years" before the ACC that we almost gave up major sports. Instead of building up our war chest and stacking money, we wandered around hoping to find a home. Probably hundreds of millions of revenue given up during that period up to today given the disparity in media contracts between the SEC and ACC.

Do you think those hundreds of millions would be useful now given the arms race with facilities and coaches salaries?

Would not matter too much.......once the NFL became a career path....getting a good college degree via football became a non factor compared to coasting and going to the NFL.
It is the same story for lots of former powerhouses.....Army, Navy, the IVY league, even Duke.

 

[Techster]

Would not matter too much.......once the NFL became a career path....getting a good college degree via football became a non factor compared to coasting and going to the NFL.
It is the same story for lots of former powerhouses.....Army, Navy, the IVY league, even Duke.

So everyone says our biggest issue is we don't have the money to spend like 'Bama/UGA/Clemson...but you're saying the hundreds of millions we lost over the years doesn't matter just because of the NFL?

Sorry, but I STRONGLY disagree with you. We might not be the powerhouse 'Bama and Clemson have become, but we certainly we would be MUCH better off. Playing teams like 'Bama/Tennessee/USCe/Florida/Ole Miss/Texas A&M would draw crowds large enough to pack BDS, and probably would have saved us from lowering capacity.

The day Dodd pulled us out of the SEC marked one of the darkest days for GT sports in terms of financial impact.

 

[Techster]

So everyone says our biggest issue is we don't have the money to spend like 'Bama/UGA/Clemson...but you're saying the hundreds of millions we lost over the years doesn't matter just because of the NFL?

Sorry, but I STRONGLY disagree with you. We might not be the powerhouse 'Bama and Clemson have become, but we certainly we would be MUCH better off. Playing teams like 'Bama/Tennessee/USCe/Florida/Ole Miss/Texas A&M would draw crowds large enough to pack BDS, and probably would have saved us from lowering capacity.

The day Dodd pulled us out of the SEC marked one of the darkest days for GT sports in terms of financial impact.

As an aside, it would be interesting to see roughly how much of a financial hit GT took from the decision to pull out of the SEC. I think we would be astounded by that figure...and probably pretty depressed.

 

[Animal02]

So everyone says our biggest issue is we don't have the money to spend like 'Bama/UGA/Clemson...but you're saying the hundreds of millions we lost over the years doesn't matter just because of the NFL?

Sorry, but I STRONGLY disagree with you. We might not be the powerhouse 'Bama and Clemson have become, but we certainly we would be MUCH better off. Playing teams like 'Bama/Tennessee/USCe/Florida/Ole Miss/Texas A&M would draw crowds large enough to pack BDS, and probably would have saved us from lowering capacity.

The day Dodd pulled us out of the SEC marked one of the darkest days for GT sports in terms of financial impact.

I am saying the NFL regardless of any money.....Tech would have suffered the same fate due to the NFL, just as Army and Navy did.
We would have been another Vandy in the SEC, and likely not won a NC in 1990. Dodd saw the writing on the wall.....his mistake was trying to go it alone instead of joining another conference.

 

[Techster]

I am saying the NFL regardless of any money.....Tech would have suffered the same fate due to the NFL, just as Army and Navy did.
We would have been another Vandy in the SEC, and likely not won a NC in 1990. Dodd saw the writing on the wall.....his mistake was trying to go it alone instead of joining another conference.

Again, I strongly disagree. But I guess all we can do is make conjectures about this...

(Except the money lost...I dont think there's much debate that GT lost a crippling amount of money because of the decision to leave the SEC)

 

[ncjacket79]

As an aside, it would be interesting to see roughly how much of a financial hit GT took from the decision to pull out of the SEC. I think we would be astounded by that figure...and probably pretty depressed.

Short term we probably did well. What Dodd didn’t foresee was the Braves and Falcons taking over the sports entertainment dollars and that we wouldn’t be able to keep on his course to be the “Notr Dame” of the south

 

[jgtengineer]

We were kinda close if not for at least a dozen or so plays in 2014 (not counting the handful of plays that DID go our way that year). But we were light years away when he retired. We were nowhere close to competing with Clemson and the mutts, nevermind defeating both teams in a single season. We weren't competitive with Duke. To begin to think that we were not that far away when he retired is revisionist BS. Almost all fans agree it was time to move on.

We were far away because we spent the majority of the arms race sitting out. Recruiting was taking an uptick with the added investment.

 

[dressedcheeseside]

We were kinda close if not for at least a dozen or so plays in 2014 (not counting the handful of plays that DID go our way that year). But we were light years away when he retired. We were nowhere close to competing with Clemson and the mutts, nevermind defeating both teams in a single season. We weren't competitive with Duke. To begin to think that we were not that far away when he retired is revisionist BS. Almost all fans agree it was time to move on.

GT Football is a sine curve not a straight line. It’s full of peaks and troughs. So yeah, he retired on a trough, but that doesn’t mean we weren’t due for another peak. Johnson suffered attrition to our best players/recruits more than once. Maybe a team like Clemson or Alabama or Georgia can survive that, GT can’t and never has been able to. Sometimes it’s just plain ‘ol bad luck that does you in.

 

[RickStromFan]

GT Football is a sine curve not a straight line. It’s full of peaks and troughs. So yeah, he retired on a trough, but that doesn’t mean we weren’t due for another peak. Johnson suffered attrition to our best players/recruits more than once. Maybe a team like Clemson or Alabama or Georgia can survive that, GT can’t and never has been able to. Sometimes it’s just plain ‘ol bad luck that does you in.

and sometimes it's not just plain ol' bad luck. Losing Lucas Johnson was...but not playing Tobias Oliver more often in 2018 wasn't. I also disagree that we were somehow due for another peak, just because it was cyclical. When we first peaked in 2014, we were annually beating the Dukes and Pitts of the conference. Those 2 specifically have now bumped ahead of us and were shutting down the offense unlike 2014. If anything, the trend was downwards.

oh well. water under the bridge or spilled milk or something. I personally like the new hire and steps he's taken so far to get us on the rise again and wish CPJ all the best in his retirement.

 

[dressedcheeseside]

and sometimes it's not just plain ol' bad luck. Losing Lucas Johnson was...but not playing Tobias Oliver more often in 2018 wasn't. I also disagree that we were somehow due for another peak, just because it was cyclical. When we first peaked in 2014, we were annually beating the Dukes and Pitts of the conference. Those 2 specifically have now bumped ahead of us and were shutting down the offense unlike 2014. If anything, the trend was downwards.

oh well. water under the bridge or spilled milk or something. I personally like the new hire and steps he's taken so far to get us on the rise again and wish CPJ all the best in his retirement.

Quarterback is everything in the triple option. When we had a really dynamic one the offense was really dynamic. We’re loaded with dynamic quarterbacks right now but he’s not going to be around to coach them. Losing the Ratliff kid was huge. Losing Mills was even bigger.On defense it was mostly a matter of not having good enough players.

 

[jgtengineer]

Quarterback is everything in the triple option. When we had a really dynamic one the offense was really dynamic. We’re loaded with dynamic quarterbacks right now but he’s not going to be around to coach them. Losing the Ratliff kid was huge. Losing Mills was even bigger.On defense it was mostly a matter of not having good enough players.

Losing Gray was a big hit to the defense. He would have been the Starting Stinger easily.

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

We were kinda close if not for at least a dozen or so plays in 2014 (not counting the handful of plays that DID go our way that year). But we were light years away when he retired. We were nowhere close to competing with Clemson and the mutts, nevermind defeating both teams in a single season. We weren't competitive with Duke. To begin to think that we were not that far away when he retired is revisionist BS. Almost all fans agree it was time to move on.

We were a very good QB away from it. That’s it. A very good QB and a good pass rush end and we’d definitely be. One to two players away is not far away. Those kind of players do make that much of a difference.

 

[Animal02]

Quarterback is everything in the triple option. When we had a really dynamic one the offense was really dynamic. We’re loaded with dynamic quarterbacks right now but he’s not going to be around to coach them. Losing the Ratliff kid was huge. Losing Mills was even bigger.On defense it was mostly a matter of not having good enough players.

You are far to rational to be posting here

 

[first&ten]

You just had to go there......

Ha! he would not be a "swarm poster" if he didn't!

 

[RickStromFan]

Quarterback is everything in the triple option. When we had a really dynamic one the offense was really dynamic. We’re loaded with dynamic quarterbacks right now but he’s not going to be around to coach them. Losing the Ratliff kid was huge. Losing Mills was even bigger.On defense it was mostly a matter of not having good enough players.

QB is everything in every single offense. But you point out the other big problem - huge issues on the D side of things. I didn't see much of a change coming in that area anytime soon.