The ACC will delay the start of competition for all fall sports until at least Sept. 1

[jacket_fan]

I read good news in the Wall Street Journal this morning. It deals with something called "medicinal signaling cells" or MSCs. This may be old news to some, but I found it as the article said, a ray of hope. I had not seen anything about this before this morning.

The takeaway said "Early trials show signaling cells eliminate the virus, calm the immune response and repair tissue damage".

 

[RonJohn]

If the season goes to conclusion. i'd think yes, it will hurt their recruiting going forward

IF the ACC, Big 12, and/or SEC have a full season without issues they will use it to recruit against the Big 10 and Pac 12. IF some of those conferences start and have to shut down, the Big 10 and Pac 12 will say that they are out in front of the other conferences. IF the season starts and there is some sort of tragedy, the Big 10 and Pac 12 will tell players and parents that they, unlike the other conferences, don't play Russian roulette with their players.

People are going to recruit negatively no matter what. Fans are going to trash talk no matter what. IFs don't mean much until something happens. At this point: All of football could be postponed or cancelled. Some conferences could start a season and have issues or have to shut down. Some conferences could start and finish a season. At this point nobody knows what the long term recruiting affect will be because nobody knows what is going to happen. At this point is it all trash talk.

 

[FredJacket]

IF the ACC, Big 12, and/or SEC have a full season without issues they will use it to recruit against the Big 10 and Pac 12. IF some of those conferences start and have to shut down, the Big 10 and Pac 12 will say that they are out in front of the other conferences. IF the season starts and there is some sort of tragedy, the Big 10 and Pac 12 will tell players and parents that they, unlike the other conferences, don't play Russian roulette with their players.

People are going to recruit negatively no matter what. Fans are going to trash talk no matter what. IFs don't mean much until something happens. At this point: All of football could be postponed or cancelled. Some conferences could start a season and have issues or have to shut down. Some conferences could start and finish a season. At this point nobody knows what the long term recruiting affect will be because nobody knows what is going to happen. At this point is it all trash talk.

YEP. We're overthinking the recruiting implications.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

YEP. We're overthinking the recruiting implications.

I mean, the Big 10 and PAC-12 will have just as many positive COVID cases as the other conferences. Playing football doesn’t spread the virus like hanging out in dorms, apartments, bars, restaurants, and fraternity houses does. It will be a blessing as the control group that they sat out so we can all see there was no material difference in cases.

 

[orientalnc]

I mean, the Big 10 and PAC-12 will have just as many positive COVID cases as the other conferences. Playing football doesn’t spread the virus like hanging out in dorms, apartments, bars, restaurants, and fraternity houses does. It will be a blessing as the control group that they sat out so we can all see there was no material difference in cases.

Does playing football mean you don't do the other things?

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Does playing football mean you don't do the other things?

Thats the point. Someone will say “Team X has 10 positive cases this month.” It will be enlightening to point to likely a similar number of cases on teams that aren’t even playing.

 

[LibertyTurns]

I read good news in the Wall Street Journal this morning. It deals with something called "medicinal signaling cells" or MSCs. This may be old news to some, but I found it as the article said, a ray of hope. I had not seen anything about this before this morning.

The takeaway said "Early trials show signaling cells eliminate the virus, calm the immune response and repair tissue damage".

I’m sure there’s an expert on here but the research has been going on for decades.

https://www.stemcell.com/media/files/wallchart/WA10021-Roles_for_MSCs_as_Medicinal_Signaling_Cells.pdf

https://www.cell.com/cell-stem-cell/pdf/S1934-5909(11)00294-3.pdf

 

[GT_EE78]

IF the ACC, Big 12, and/or SEC have a full season without issues they will use it to recruit against the Big 10 and Pac 12. IF some of those conferences start and have to shut down, the Big 10 and Pac 12 will say that they are out in front of the other conferences. IF the season starts and there is some sort of tragedy, the Big 10 and Pac 12 will tell players and parents that they, unlike the other conferences, don't play Russian roulette with their players.

People are going to recruit negatively no matter what. Fans are going to trash talk no matter what. IFs don't mean much until something happens. At this point: All of football could be postponed or cancelled. Some conferences could start a season and have issues or have to shut down. Some conferences could start and finish a season. At this point nobody knows what the long term recruiting affect will be because nobody knows what is going to happen. At this point is it all trash talk.

So, thanks for chiming in with all the trash talk.

 

[WreckinGT]

YEP. We're overthinking the recruiting implications.

Pretty much. Plus I’m not sure there will actually be much recruiting on this topic to be honest. It’s basically recruiting on a political issue. Why take the risk of bragging about your conference playing when you don’t really know how the kid or their parents feel about it?

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Pretty much. Plus I’m not sure there will actually be much recruiting on this topic to be honest. It’s basically recruiting on a political issue. Why take the risk of bragging about your conference playing when you don’t really know how the kid or their parents feel about it?

Anybody who says a school doesn’t care about football or anybody says a school doesn’t care about safety - the recruit should immediately blackball them. But I have no idea what this has to do with politics. It’s a risk and liability and health issue.

 

[GT_EE78]

Thats the point. Someone will say “Team X has 10 positive cases this month.” It will be enlightening to point to likely a similar number of cases on teams that aren’t even playing.

and you think media would even cover that? LOL

 

[Deleted member 2897]

UNC students moved back onto campus last week. They’ve already identified at least 2 COVID clusters in different dorms. Expect this to be the norm across the country. In 1 week, the school has already surpassed the number of positive tests all of their sports teams from the entire summer. N.C. State’s latest numbers are almost 1500 total tests across all their teams this summer, and only 8 positive tests. Expect all of this to be the norm - the playing of sports isn’t where the risk is. Breaking down N.C. States numbers, out of their last 800 tests on student athletes, they only had 1 single positive.

NC State athletics reports 8 positives from 1,360 COVID-19 tests administered

RALEIGH, N.C. (WNCN) – North Carolina State had seven more positive COVID-19 tests come back, according to an update Friday from Senior Associate Athletics Director Fred Demarest. The univers…

www.cbs17.com

 

[GoJacketsInRaleigh]

Yeah, that recruiting pitch is pretty easy to counter. All you have to do is say we care about the safety and well being of our student athletes above all else.

Well if these 3 conferences pull off a fall season and everyone is healthy, it will conclude right around signing day and that counter will be complete bunk.

 

[smokey_wasp]

A lot of them tested positive in mid June. They will be back on the COVID market early in the season.

CDC says 3 months is the absolute minimum for immunity. Most scientists believe it is longer. They just cant prove it yet.

 

[Techster]

 

[ramblinwreckguru]

Did he likely contract the virus in football related activities? In fact, do we know of any college players that likely contracted the virus in football related activities, and how does that compare to students who have contracted the virus just during normal life activities?

 

[orientalnc]

Protecting team members during the workouts while students are not on campus should be relatively easy. The interesting part is coming up.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article244904952.html

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Did he likely contract the virus in football related activities? In fact, do we know of any college players that likely contracted the virus in football related activities, and how does that compare to students who have contracted the virus just during normal life activities?

What we know is that so far, far more students have contracted the virus than the student athletes.

The Indiana player is right - we do need to listen to the medical experts. That doesn’t necessarily mean we need to end sports. The problem we’ll continue to see (in my opinion) is more and more large numbers of positive tests from students and not from the athletes. That will hopefully prompt more real questions of the medical experts who advocate not playing sports why all other levels of sports are still playing and why students are allowed on campus. Football players’ biggest risk of getting the virus will continue to not be on the field.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Protecting team members during the workouts while students are not on campus should be relatively easy. The interesting part is coming up.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article244904952.html

EXACTLY.

This is why I can’t take some of these lawyers and medical experts seriously.

 

[FredJacket]

What we know is that so far, far more students have contracted the virus than the student athletes.

The Indiana player is right - we do need to listen to the medical experts. That doesn’t necessarily mean we need to end sports. The problem we’ll continue to see (in my opinion) is more and more large numbers of positive tests from students and not from the athletes. That will hopefully prompt more real questions of the medical experts who advocate not playing sports why all other levels of sports are still playing and why students are allowed on campus. Football players’ biggest risk of getting the virus will continue to not be on the field.

I agree. Speaking generally, SA's are in much more structured environments compared to general student body. They are accountable to their team & coaches.

As one anecdotal point... my sons are D3 athletes. They play a spring sport with about 35-40 players on the roster. Their coach carries a rather large stick (plenty of consequences for failing to follow team rules) to their carrot of enjoying the game they love & being part of the brotherhood of team. As they are returning to school over the next week or so, the coach has already established how fall practices will go (small 'pods' each led by a captain). As for their personal time, he's directed the captains to ensure no gathering will exceed 10-12 people. The coach will punish violators.

At first, I sort of laughed at notion he could pull off keeping these guys in line including their social lives. The team is tight and socialize in large groups often (pre covid). While it is the right thing to do, it seems like a big demand... & rather lofty expectation (to me)... .. but my sons seem to be totally onboard (one is a captain).

That kind of approach will be repeated across the country by NCAA coaches & teams. In some cases, jobs will be lost. There is no such oversight for the general student.