The ACC will delay the start of competition for all fall sports until at least Sept. 1

[RamblinRed]

Fans in the stands.
Decided to take a look tonight at the various regulations in the states right now to try to figure out if we get the season up and running what is the likelihood of having and fans involved.
BC (Mass) - no fans allowed at sporting events.
Syracuse (NY) - no fans allowed at sporting events
Pitt (PA) - no more than 250 allowed - so like Penn St's decision before the B10 pulled the plug I would expect no fans.
ND (IND) - not real sure on this one. IND is in phase 4.5 through at least Aug 27th. it does not specifically address sporting events, gatherings are capped at 250 people. Maybe someone from up that way has a better idea.
L'ville (KY) - KY has been rolling back some of its measures and even started a 14 day quarantine for people come from or back from states with posititity rates about 15%. A greatly reduced capacity for the Kentucky Derby is being allowed so i expect something similar for L'ville - less than 20% if its allowed to have fans at all.
UVA and VT (VA) - Current state regulations say the lesser of 50% or 250 people. So probably no fans.
UNC, NCSU, Wake, Duke (NC) - Executive Order 155 runs through Sept 11. It currently caps limits at 25 people outdoors so no spectators for sports. Someone from NC should chime in but my gut is that the Government in NC is unlikely to loosen that restriction.
Clemson (SC) - currently at the lesser of 50% or 250 people. Organizations can submit a plan to the Department of Commerce for more people to be allowed as long as all social distancing guidelines are followed. IMO that means they will probably get 20% or so attendance for Death Valley. I'm sure bwelbo and augusta_jacket will be able to provide better color on this than I have.
GT (GA) - Only guidance for college and professional sports teams is that you follow the rule and regulations of your sports league. I would be of the opinion you might ultimately get 20%.
FSU and Miami (FL) - Probably the hardest to figure out. They don't appear to be clear at all in terms of what might be allowed and I think it is also likely to be different in Tallahassee than Miami. I'll let some of the fonts that live in that state weigh in. If I wanted to hazard a guess I might go with 20-25% in Tallahassee and none in Miami.

 

[VintageWreck]

Fans in the stands.
Decided to take a look tonight at the various regulations in the states right now to try to figure out if we get the season up and running what is the likelihood of having and fans involved.
BC (Mass) - no fans allowed at sporting events.
Syracuse (NY) - no fans allowed at sporting events
Pitt (PA) - no more than 250 allowed - so like Penn St's decision before the B10 pulled the plug I would expect no fans.
ND (IND) - not real sure on this one. IND is in phase 4.5 through at least Aug 27th. it does not specifically address sporting events, gatherings are capped at 250 people. Maybe someone from up that way has a better idea.
L'ville (KY) - KY has been rolling back some of its measures and even started a 14 day quarantine for people come from or back from states with posititity rates about 15%. A greatly reduced capacity for the Kentucky Derby is being allowed so i expect something similar for L'ville - less than 20% if its allowed to have fans at all.
UVA and VT (VA) - Current state regulations say the lesser of 50% or 250 people. So probably no fans.
UNC, NCSU, Wake, Duke (NC) - Executive Order 155 runs through Sept 11. It currently caps limits at 25 people outdoors so no spectators for sports. Someone from NC should chime in but my gut is that the Government in NC is unlikely to loosen that restriction.
Clemson (SC) - currently at the lesser of 50% or 250 people. Organizations can submit a plan to the Department of Commerce for more people to be allowed as long as all social distancing guidelines are followed. IMO that means they will probably get 20% or so attendance for Death Valley. I'm sure bwelbo and augusta_jacket will be able to provide better color on this than I have.
GT (GA) - Only guidance for college and professional sports teams is that you follow the rule and regulations of your sports league. I would be of the opinion you might ultimately get 20%.
FSU and Miami (FL) - Probably the hardest to figure out. They don't appear to be clear at all in terms of what might be allowed and I think it is also likely to be different in Tallahassee than Miami. I'll let some of the fonts that live in that state weigh in. If I wanted to hazard a guess I might go with 20-25% in Tallahassee and none in Miami.

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Good job Ramblin.

Appreciate your work on this!

 

[RamblinRed]

UNC students moved back onto campus last week. They’ve already identified at least 2 COVID clusters in different dorms. Expect this to be the norm across the country. In 1 week, the school has already surpassed the number of positive tests all of their sports teams from the entire summer. N.C. State’s latest numbers are almost 1500 total tests across all their teams this summer, and only 8 positive tests. Expect all of this to be the norm - the playing of sports isn’t where the risk is. Breaking down N.C. States numbers, out of their last 800 tests on student athletes, they only had 1 single positive.

NC State athletics reports 8 positives from 1,360 COVID-19 tests administered

RALEIGH, N.C. (WNCN) – North Carolina State had seven more positive COVID-19 tests come back, according to an update Friday from Senior Associate Athletics Director Fred Demarest. The univers…

www.cbs17.com

The playing of sports isn't an issue as long as the players are in a bubble - we've seen that in professional sports and college SA's have basically been in bubbles since June. The issue is what happens when you break that bubble. I think you and I are actually largely in agreement on this one. Either it is safe for all the students on campus or it is unsafe for all the students on campus. Right now for many campuses in the South it is probably unsafe for any students to be there given the amount of community spread in many of those areas. I do think you can make an argument that it is more likely to be spread in a contact sport if someone is already infected. Instead of needing to be in close contact for 15 minutes, you could get it in a matter of seconds if you are actually touching that athlete and they are either breathing on you or their sweat, saliva, etc gets on you. That is why the quarantine measures for close contact include both the 6 ft for 15 min or any actual physical contact (touching, hugging, kissing) for any amount of time.

This is where the push and pull of local campuses could get interesting. This article from the Daily Tar Heel mentions that the Orange County (NC) Health Department sent a letter to UCC recommending they go fully online for at least the first 5 weeks of the Semester and potentially the full semester due to rising cases in the county.

Orange County health director calls for UNC to go fully remote for at least five weeks

Orange County Health Department Director Quintana Stewart sent a letter to UNC officials on July 29 recommending the University limit on-campus housing and implement online-only instruction for the first five weeks of the semester as a minimum. The letter was released to the public Wednesday...

www.dailytarheel.com

That may end of being fodder for this lawsuit filed 5 days ago against the UNC system, UNC Board of Governors and Gov. Cooper over unsafe working conditions filed on behalf of employees.

UNC employees sue the University system over workplace safety

Gary Shipman, a Wilmington-based lawyer, is representing UNC System faculty and staff in the midst of preparing a class-action lawsuit to delay in-person classes. In a response to Shipman, NCDOL General Counsel Jill F. Cramer and Deputy Commissioner of Labor Kevin Beauregard acknowledged the...

www.dailytarheel.com

 

[RamblinRed]

After Huge Freeze's comments caused concern with multiple ACC coaches that Liberty has games with, Liberty is trying to do damage control

Syracuse AD John Wildhack says Liberty’s description of coronavirus testing is ‘inadequate’ and ‘troubling'

Syracuse football players have sat out practices because of concerns about how well opposing schools will be testing their players.

www.syracuse.com

ACC schools express concerns over Liberty’s COVID-19 testing protocols

Concerns raised after Liberty head coach Hugh Freeze says testing has not happened the past two weeks.

www.wsls.com

 

[Deleted member 2897]

After Huge Freeze's comments caused concern with multiple ACC coaches that Liberty has games with, Liberty is trying to do damage control

Syracuse AD John Wildhack says Liberty’s description of coronavirus testing is ‘inadequate’ and ‘troubling'

Syracuse football players have sat out practices because of concerns about how well opposing schools will be testing their players.

www.syracuse.com

ACC schools express concerns over Liberty’s COVID-19 testing protocols

Concerns raised after Liberty head coach Hugh Freeze says testing has not happened the past two weeks.

www.wsls.com

He said they were “hashtagged blessed”. They’re good, LOL.

 

[boger2337]

Reading rumors that Ohio State will join the ACC for the fall if they can leave.....

 

[LibertyTurns]

After Huge Freeze's comments caused concern with multiple ACC coaches that Liberty has games with, Liberty is trying to do damage control

Syracuse AD John Wildhack says Liberty’s description of coronavirus testing is ‘inadequate’ and ‘troubling'

Syracuse football players have sat out practices because of concerns about how well opposing schools will be testing their players.

www.syracuse.com

ACC schools express concerns over Liberty’s COVID-19 testing protocols

Concerns raised after Liberty head coach Hugh Freeze says testing has not happened the past two weeks.

www.wsls.com

What does Syracuse mean by they shouldn’t be playing schools that don‘t share their values? Anti-religion is not an American value. Freedom of religion is. Is Syracuse saying they’re against the Constitution? I hope we’re not playing a school that the leadership has come out & declared they’re anti-American. I know they’re from New York but last time I checked they were supposed to be Americans.

 

[orientalnc]

This might be the game changer we need for college football. It would allow for everyday or every other day testing. $10 per test. Non-invasive and quick sample collection. Fast turnaround.

FDA approves COVID-19 saliva test developed at Yale in partnership with the NBA, NBPA

The FDA on Saturday approved a saliva-based COVID-19 test developed at Yale with funding from the NBA and National Basketball Players Association.

www.usatoday.com

 

[GTNavyNuke]

This might be the game changer we need for college football. It would allow for everyday or every other day testing. $10 per test. Non-invasive and quick sample collection. Fast turnaround.

FDA approves COVID-19 saliva test developed at Yale in partnership with the NBA, NBPA

The FDA on Saturday approved a saliva-based COVID-19 test developed at Yale with funding from the NBA and National Basketball Players Association.

www.usatoday.com

Maybe. It will be interesting to see false positive and false negative rate. Article said it matched other method's results 88-94%.

10% false positives would not be good. Have to quarantine while a second longer test was done.

 

[Milwaukee]

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Maybe. It will be interesting to see false positive and false negative rate. Article said it matched other method's results 88-94%.

10% false positives would not be good. Have to quarantine while a second longer test was done.

I respectfully disagree. Even if it were 30% false positives, if it’s that cheap and that fast, you just test again. You could test 10 times in a day...meanwhile the traditional test which is also not foolproof takes multiple days to come back. If 1 poor bastard tests positive 3 times the morning of a game and is actually negative and he sat out for nothing, you still save the season with capabilities like that.

 

[orientalnc]

I respectfully disagree. Even if it were 30% false positives, if it’s that cheap and that fast, you just test again. You could test 10 times in a day...meanwhile the traditional test which is also not foolproof takes multiple days to come back. If 1 poor bastard tests positive 3 times the morning of a game and is actually negative and he sat out for nothing, you still Dave the season with capabilities like that.

Game protocol: Test Thursday, Friday, Saturday ( 2-3 hours b4 gametime). Three straight negatives and you can play. It would be almost 100%.

 

[Oldgoldandwhite]

IF we have a Fall season, is it possible or likely that we play in the Spring also?

 

[Deleted member 2897]

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IF we have a Fall season, is it possible or likely that we play in the Spring also?

If we play more than half the season, probably skip the spring. If we try and start and have to stop, we will probably try again in the spring with the others who sat out. But honestly, the problems and worries those teams pointed too will still be here, so they won’t play in the spring either unless they change their tune.

 

[orientalnc]

I think this testing protocol is unlikely to be in wide distribution for the Fall football season. That's less than a month away for some. But, what it does is make the Spring football season an almost certainty. A smart move by the ACC would be to have a 3-4 game mini-season beginning in early October, then moving to an eight game Spring season. They might even be able to have fans by that time.

For me, as my favorite sport is college basketball, this a bright ray of sunshine for the 2020-2021 season.

 

[herb]

I think this testing protocol is unlikely to be in wide distribution for the Fall football season. That's less than a month away for some. But, what it does is make the Spring football season an almost certainty. A smart move by the ACC would be to have a 3-4 game mini-season beginning in early October, then moving to an eight game Spring season. They might even be able to have fans by that time.

For me, as my favorite sport is college basketball, this a bright ray of sunshine for the 2020-2021 season.

man that would be an awful lot of football in a short time. And an awful lot of time commitment for these kids. Way too much IMO

 

[Gtbowhunter90]

This is off topic kinda sorta, but the Ohio Valley Conference has cancelled all Fall Sports. This probably doesn't mean much for those here but it does to me and I'm worried about the loss of revenue to Murray State in particular

 

[RamblinRed]

This might be the game changer we need for college football. It would allow for everyday or every other day testing. $10 per test. Non-invasive and quick sample collection. Fast turnaround.

FDA approves COVID-19 saliva test developed at Yale in partnership with the NBA, NBPA

The FDA on Saturday approved a saliva-based COVID-19 test developed at Yale with funding from the NBA and National Basketball Players Association.

www.usatoday.com

I'm hopeful this can help alot. It would help most in potentially catching infections earlier so that you could quarantine fewer members of the team rather than basically having to quarantine almost your whole team.

Becomes a matter of how fast can you role it out and can you ramp it up on a large scale quickly. We have done a really poor job of that with every other type of test in this country so far so we are going to have to see if we can do a better job with this.

 

[RamblinRed]

I'll give the PAC12 credit, they have been pretty consistent in terms of students and student-athletes. Most of the schools are going to be all or mostly online this fall with only a handful of students on campus. Utah and CO are the 2 biggest outliers. But the 8 West Coast schools are going to be between 90-100% online classes for Fall. All of them have mandatory mask orders on campus.

 

[orientalnc]

I'll give the PAC12 credit, they have been pretty consistent in terms of students and student-athletes. Most of the schools are going to be all or mostly online this fall with only a handful of students on campus. Utah and CO are the 2 biggest outliers. But the 8 West Coast schools are going to be between 90-100% online classes for Fall. All of them have mandatory mask orders on campus.

We are about to have a revolt in NC as the chancellor at UNC-CH wants to break from the the GOP led Board of Governors' order that no single campus can react to local conditions. Chapel Hill now has three large clusters where they are conducting contact tracing. Two in resident halls and one in a frat house. If the campus goes to all on-line (this is what the faculty wants) it will be tough for UNC to play football. For what it's worth ECU and UNC-Wilmington also have clusters. What they lack is the political clout of Chapel Hill.