The ACC will delay the start of competition for all fall sports until at least Sept. 1

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Yes I think there will be no one in the row in front of you or behind. But it's less than 6' to that second row so you'd have to have the two rows (especially for your safety) behind and in front empty to get to 6 feet. Again, I don't think even 6 feet is enough when people are yelling for hours. Thus zero chance for me at a game. Being outside is a lot better than inside, if there is a good wind it's probably just fine. If not, oh well.

All a value judgement. I got my hair cut today (masks for all), run on a trail without a mask going by maybe 50 people for a few seconds at a time and will be flying in December. Those are acceptable risks for me. For others, the football game risk is fine for them which is their choice. But at the end of the day, the people putting on the events are going to have to accept some liability and risk. I don't see that happening. I'll be more than happy to watch on TV and listen to fake fan noise like baseball if games are played.
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I don't think I was as clear as I thought I was on my post. By staggering the seating, I meant that there is no reason to have anyone 2 rows down in front of you or 2 rows back behind you. The closest people directly in front or behind you would potentially be 4 rows in front of you or 4 rows behind you if that.
 
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Since they closed the Corona Virus thread, I hope it will be ok to post this here. It is totally a-political but, though a bit long and wordy, it is a very informative and even somewhat unnerving article about the long-lasting effects of the virus that both players and fans who contract it MIGHT experience. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/...9-recognition-support-groups-symptoms/615382/
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I can personally attest to what that article discusses as the long term/lingering effects. They suck, and are some days almost debilitating.
 
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Supersizethatorder-mutt said:
Since they closed the Corona Virus thread, I hope it will be ok to post this here. It is totally a-political but, though a bit long and wordy, it is a very informative and even somewhat unnerving article about the long-lasting effects of the virus that both players and fans who contract it MIGHT experience. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/...9-recognition-support-groups-symptoms/615382/
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That is the BIGGER issue, although for those who have seen their loved ones pass, that is a SUPER big issue. But, medical specialists are just recently learning about the cardiovascular, cognitive, and pulmonary long term effects that many will have to deal with. This is going to be a much larger % of the group that experiences the virus. Because of the cardiovascular nature of this virus in many, I have had several HIGH integrity doctors tell me that they believe the actual death count is UNDER reported, because some younger/middle aged folks who die of a heart attack or stroke may never know it was related to Covid - at least in the first 3-4 months of this in the U.S. I sure hope that people who pass under strange circumstances (with supposedly good health) are at least tested after death for any signs of antibodies or the virus itself, if that is possible. For many, and it is like Russian Roulette, this virus will be incendiary to their short term and/or long term health.
 
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That is the BIGGER issue, although for those who have seen their loved ones pass, that is a SUPER big issue. But, medical specialists are just recently learning about the cardiovascular, cognitive, and pulmonary long term effects that many will have to deal with. This is going to be a much larger % of the group that experiences the virus. Because of the cardiovascular nature of this virus in many, I have had several HIGH integrity doctors tell me that they believe the actual death count is UNDER reported, because some younger/middle aged folks who die of a heart attack or stroke may never know it was related to Covid - at least in the first 3-4 months of this in the U.S. I sure hope that people who pass under strange circumstances (with supposedly good health) are at least tested after death for any signs of antibodies or the virus itself, if that is possible. For many, and it is like Russian Roulette, this virus will be incendiary to their short term and/or long term health.
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On the Coronavirus page that has been locked, Navy was tracking excess deaths, which is running around 250,000 more than usual. it hasmany wide ranging negatives. Dr Fauci has stated that tens and tens of thousands of extra people more than normal are dying and will die by not doing regular doctor visits, cancer checks, treatments, etc. it’s a mess. But at the same time, the data is not there for younger people (there is no evidence of long haulers in young people etc) that they are affected anywhere like this. The inflation syndrome identified in younger people is still predominantly in smaller children and is still a minuscule percentage.
 
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On the Coronavirus page that has been locked, Navy was tracking excess deaths, which is running around 250,000 more than usual. it hasmany wide ranging negatives. Dr Fauci has stated that tens and tens of thousands of extra people more than normal are dying and will die by not doing regular doctor visits, cancer checks, treatments, etc. it’s a mess. But at the same time, the data is not there for younger people (there is no evidence of long haulers in young people etc) that they are affected anywhere like this. The inflation syndrome identified in younger people is still predominantly in smaller children and is still a minuscule percentage.
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On the Coronavirus page that has been locked, Navy was tracking excess deaths, which is running around 250,000 more than usual. it hasmany wide ranging negatives. Dr Fauci has stated that tens and tens of thousands of extra people more than normal are dying and will die by not doing regular doctor visits, cancer checks, treatments, etc. it’s a mess. But at the same time, the data is not there for younger people (there is no evidence of long haulers in young people etc) that they are affected anywhere like this. The inflation syndrome identified in younger people is still predominantly in smaller children and is still a minuscule percentage.
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I was tracking deaths and excess deaths till the CDC was relieved of their data duties.

My problem with the excess deaths was there are so many independent variables and the identification of death cause part of our health care system is not particularly robust. There is such yearly variability of data it's hard to get the real signal with all the noise. The lock down should have helped (car accidents) some causes of deaths and hurt others (suicide, heart issues from stress / neglect, obesity from lack of activity / stress). I'm no expert for sure, but what I know is that I don't want to get this. It isn't the flu.

What I want to see are follow up studies in other countries and larger groups on the myocardial aspects of the disease. If it's a significant impact, it will be reported in the next couple of months. The German study of 100 people needs to be collaborated and expanded to include all ages. I think myocardial problems are much more severe than has been reported but need facts to support that opinion.
 
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chris975d said:
I can personally attest to what that article discusses as the long term/lingering effects. They suck, and are some days almost debilitating.
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There has to be vastly different strains of this. We’ve had a total of 42 cases at work. No side effects from the 38 that have returned to work, most said they barely felt sick. 2 cases have been out almost 2 months with no return in sight. Probably have what you got. We have 2 more that have been out more than 3 weeks. Docs call these people “long haulers” because their cases are extremely prolonged compared to most. Unbelievable as they don’t fit the profile in vast majority of cases..
 
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There has to be vastly different strains of this. We’ve had a total of 42 cases at work. No side effects from the 38 that have returned to work, most said they barely felt sick. 2 cases have been out almost 2 months with no return in sight. Probably have what you got. We have 2 more that have been out more than 3 weeks. Docs call these people “long haulers” because their cases are extremely prolonged compared to most. Unbelievable as they don’t fit the profile in vast majority of cases..
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And, that is the reason I use the term "Russian Roulette" when describing this virus - there seems to be very little rhyme or reason sometimes to why certain individuals are hit much, much harder, except maybe a "different" strain or maybe a more powerful "dose" of the virus at onset or something physiological that has not been fully determined yet. I know of at least 2 young people who "recovered" after not really having a super difficult time with the virus who later succumbed to blood clots that the docs at UAB believe developed because of the virus. One was 21 and the other 37 - neither had any known health issues.
 

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There has to be vastly different strains of this. We’ve had a total of 42 cases at work. No side effects from the 38 that have returned to work, most said they barely felt sick. 2 cases have been out almost 2 months with no return in sight. Probably have what you got. We have 2 more that have been out more than 3 weeks. Docs call these people “long haulers” because their cases are extremely prolonged compared to most. Unbelievable as they don’t fit the profile in vast majority of cases..
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The last time I looked months ago, there were already 12 identified strains.
 
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There has to be vastly different strains of this. We’ve had a total of 42 cases at work. No side effects from the 38 that have returned to work, most said they barely felt sick. 2 cases have been out almost 2 months with no return in sight. Probably have what you got. We have 2 more that have been out more than 3 weeks. Docs call these people “long haulers” because their cases are extremely prolonged compared to most. Unbelievable as they don’t fit the profile in vast majority of cases..
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I forget which thread (maybe earlier in this one), but as a former/sometimes still competitive athlete I detailed some of my ongoing experiences with the virus. For me, even though my active infection was beyond what I would call “mild”, it wasn’t anything that I was truly scared of during the infection. But the longer terms effects and how they’ve pretty heavily impacted my athletic performance have been much worse for me to handle than the active infection. To the point that I’m wondering if my pre-infection performance/speeds/reps/one rep maxes are going to ever fully return.
 
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MLB continues to prove this can be done. They have had players & staff test positive. They have had to cancel/postpone games as a result. They have kept the season going. It is different (even weird at times)... but it is happening... approaching halfway point of 60 game season.

The big good thing is the trend. After 2 "outbreaks" (Marlins & Cardinals) early in season... & some investigating & some adjustments to both protocols & basic individual accountability... there have been other cases without outbreaks. Most recently, the Mets had one staff member & one player test positive. Resulted in canceling this weekend series v NYY out of an abundance of caution. Reports today indicate all negative tests coming in for rest of team. The Reds had a similar situation with positive test(s) recently.

MLB is not in a bubble. Not sure exactly how much CFB can learn from MLB... but has to be something.
 

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MLB continues to prove this can be done. They have had players & staff test positive. They have had to cancel/postpone games as a result. They have kept the season going. It is different (even weird at times)... but it is happening... approaching halfway point of 60 game season.

The big good thing is the trend. After 2 "outbreaks" (Marlins & Cardinals) early in season... & some investigating & some adjustments to both protocols & basic individual accountability... there have been other cases without outbreaks. Most recently, the Mets had one staff member & one player test positive. Resulted in canceling this weekend series v NYY out of an abundance of caution. Reports today indicate all negative tests coming in for rest of team. The Reds had a similar situation with positive test(s) recently.

MLB is not in a bubble. Not sure exactly how much CFB can learn from MLB... but has to be something.
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And equally as important, no deaths. I keep trying to find evidence of someone having to go to the hospital. The worst I’ve been able to find is a couple people got IVs. Absent heart issues, hospitalizations, etc the season rolls on. But then again these aren’t athletes, they’re baseball players. :D
 
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And equally as important, no deaths. I keep trying to find evidence of someone having to go to the hospital. The worst I’ve been able to find is a couple people got IVs. Absent heart issues, hospitalizations, etc the season rolls on. But then again these aren’t athletes, they’re baseball players. :D
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Someone sure is snarky this morning. Sure you're not experiencing side effects? (LOL)

Looks like first college football game is 29 Aug - Austin Peay versus Central Arkansas. And here is the rundown of other current conference plans. https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2020-08-15/when-does-2020-college-football-season-start
 
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ECU just announced they are going to all undergraduate classes online. No classes Monday or Tuesday, then online classes begin Wednesday.

This means all four public universities in NC with D1 football programs have canceled in person classes for undergrads.

Interesting that the counties where these schools are located are showing COVID case count increases above the school counts. This is especially true in Orange County where Chapel Hill is located. Right now the reopening plan is FUBAR.
 

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ECU just announced they are going to all undergraduate classes online. No classes Monday or Tuesday, then online classes begin Wednesday.

This means all four public universities in NC with D1 football programs have canceled in person classes for undergrads.

Interesting that the counties where these schools are located are showing COVID case count increases above the school counts. This is especially true in Orange County where Chapel Hill is located. Right now the reopening plan is FUBAR.
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This has all been interesting to watch. Going to class had nothing to do with anything. It’s being on campus and the social aspect that’s the big risk. And neither is playing football the big risk. It’s amazing how many university administration people still have no clue.
 
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