The ACC will delay the start of competition for all fall sports until at least Sept. 1

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It is odd that someone with a journalism degree professes to know more about medicine and science than medicine and science professionals. It is odd without any evidence to back it up, she compared playing football to Russian Roulette and the Titanic. You’d think with those analogies she could point to deaths around college football teams and other sports teams...or at least hospitalizations. Or at least generally speaking. As we’ve discussed here, the flu hits the 15-24 age group harder than COVID - and these are super fit athletes. I also note she says nothing about having kids back on campus - how is 20-25 minutes of a contact sport more dangerous than hours and hours of congregating in dorms, apartments, bars, restaurants, and fraternity houses? At Michigan State they had a super spreader event this summer at a bar where 200 students got COVID. 200! Not a single person even end up at the hospital.

People are losing their ****.

LOL, you don't read too well, do you?

Meanwhile, word from the NCAA’s COVID-19 advisory panel is not good about forging ahead with sports this fall. Dr. Carlos del Rio, an infectious disease specialist at Emory University and a member of the NCAA advisory panel, said this about fall sports in a video conference Thursday:

“I feel like the Titanic. We have hit the iceberg, and we’re trying to make decisions of what time we should have the band play.”

Said del Rio: “What’s important right now is we need to control this virus. Not having fall sports this year, in controlling this virus, would be to me the No. 1 priority.”


I personally know Dr. del Rio. That guy is the most introspective and intelligent people I've had the pleasure of knowing. He's also one of the best in the world at what he does.

It's a good thing the reporter isnt' as good at her job as you guys are saying, because if she was, she would have uncovered this:


When your own world renowned professors say having students on campus is unsafe, it doesn't look well for trying to play sports.

There's too much confirmation bias going around. People who want sports ignore the science that shows it's dangerous. There's also the other side that think it's too dangerous to play but don't accept the limited data that sports may be safe under certain circumstances.

We all WANT football to be played. However, what we want and what's safe for the student athletes are different things. I hope we are able to play this fall...but when push comes to shove, I don't see any college sports happening this fall. The liability is going to be so great the conferences that are still thinking of playing will have to give into reality.
 

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LOL, you don't read too well, do you?

Meanwhile, word from the NCAA’s COVID-19 advisory panel is not good about forging ahead with sports this fall. Dr. Carlos del Rio, an infectious disease specialist at Emory University and a member of the NCAA advisory panel, said this about fall sports in a video conference Thursday:

“I feel like the Titanic. We have hit the iceberg, and we’re trying to make decisions of what time we should have the band play.”

Said del Rio: “What’s important right now is we need to control this virus. Not having fall sports this year, in controlling this virus, would be to me the No. 1 priority.”


I personally know Dr. del Rio. That guy is the most introspective and intelligent people I've had the pleasure of knowing. He's also one of the best in the world at what he does.

It's a good thing the reporter isnt' as good at her job as you guys are saying, because if she was, she would have uncovered this:


When your own world renowned professors say having students on campus is unsafe, it doesn't look well for trying to play sports.

There's too much confirmation bias going around. People who want sports ignore the science that shows it's dangerous. There's also the other side that think it's too dangerous to play but don't accept the limited data that sports may be safe under certain circumstances.

We all WANT football to be played. However, what we want and what's safe for the student athletes are different things. I hope we are able to play this fall...but when push comes to shove, I don't see any college sports happening this fall. The liability is going to be so great the conferences that are still thinking of playing will have to give into reality.

Ah yes personal attacks. It’s your middle name. I am ignorant and can’t read. Yes I can read. They’re not advocating for keeping kids off campus, they’re advocating for not playing a sport. Also, that one fraidy-cat is not the scientific consensus. For every guy there is like that, there are 10 that feel the opposite. You did notice that he cannot point to anything but lower rates of hospitalizations and deaths at that age right? He wants to get the virus under control, but there is no proof that playing sports leads to virus outbreaks.
 

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It's a good thing the reporter isnt' as good at her job as you guys are saying, because if she was, she would have uncovered this:

First I want football second I know we won't, But as for the reporter I would find something the was a little better updated this article by a Georgia Tech professor is a month and a half old, Things do change weekly and daily .
 

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It is odd that someone with a journalism degree professes to know more about medicine and science than medicine and science professionals. It is odd without any evidence to back it up, she compared playing football to Russian Roulette and the Titanic. You’d think with those analogies she could point to deaths around college football teams and other sports teams...or at least hospitalizations. Or at least generally speaking. As we’ve discussed here, the flu hits the 15-24 age group harder than COVID - and these are super fit athletes. I also note she says nothing about having kids back on campus - how is 20-25 minutes of a contact sport more dangerous than hours and hours of congregating in dorms, apartments, bars, restaurants, and fraternity houses? At Michigan State they had a super spreader event this summer at a bar where 200 students got COVID. 200! Not a single person even end up at the hospital.

People are losing their ****.
The titanic quote wasn't from her, it was from an infectious disease expert at Emory who is on the NCAA advisory panel. I know you have decided what science you think is right but there are plenty of experts out there warning against playing football and many other activities. You just choose to ignore them.
 

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It is odd that someone with a journalism degree professes to know more about medicine and science than medicine and science professionals. It is odd without any evidence to back it up, she compared playing football to Russian Roulette and the Titanic. You’d think with those analogies she could point to deaths around college football teams and other sports teams...or at least hospitalizations. Or at least generally speaking. As we’ve discussed here, the flu hits the 15-24 age group harder than COVID - and these are super fit athletes. I also note she says nothing about having kids back on campus - how is 20-25 minutes of a contact sport more dangerous than hours and hours of congregating in dorms, apartments, bars, restaurants, and fraternity houses? At Michigan State they had a super spreader event this summer at a bar where 200 students got COVID. 200! Not a single person even end up at the hospital.

People are losing their ****.
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The statement that the flu hits young people harder than COVID is false. COVID kills young people at a far higher rate than the flu, its just so far it has infected far fewer as we have tried to mitigate exposure and schools have basically been out since March which has limited exposure into the younger age groups which based on one recent study helped to reduce spread and save lives.
The hospitalization rate for 18-49 yr olds in the worst flu season of the last 10 yrs (2017-18) was 58.8 per 100,000. Right now for COVID that same age range is 91.3 per 100,000 and is 55.9 per 100,000 for 18-29 yr olds - unfortunately the CDC did not break down in their data the 18-29 for flu but it would obviously be quite a bit lower than the 58.8.

At any age range you are more likely to be hospitalized and die from COVID than flu, it gets worse as you get older, but even among the young the rates are multiple times higher.

Also make sure you are comparing the same metrics. I often see people comparing the case fatality rate for flu to the infection fatality rate for COVID. Those are 2 very different measurements that are not comparable. The case fatality rate for flu is 0.1%, but the infection fatality rate is likely 1/2 to 1/4 of that number). The current case fatality rate for COVID in the US is 3.2% but the infection mortality rate is likely about 1/10th of that.


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It is odd that someone with a journalism degree professes to know more about medicine and science than medicine and science professionals. It is odd without any evidence to back it up, she compared playing football to Russian Roulette and the Titanic. You’d think with those analogies she could point to deaths around college football teams and other sports teams...or at least hospitalizations. Or at least generally speaking. As we’ve discussed here, the flu hits the 15-24 age group harder than COVID - and these are super fit athletes. I also note she says nothing about having kids back on campus - how is 20-25 minutes of a contact sport more dangerous than hours and hours of congregating in dorms, apartments, bars, restaurants, and fraternity houses? At Michigan State they had a super spreader event this summer at a bar where 200 students got COVID. 200! Not a single person even end up at the hospital.

People are losing their ****.

The statement that the flu hits young people harder than COVID is false. COVID kills young people at a far higher rate than the flu, its just so far it has infected far fewer as we have tried to mitigate exposure and schools have basically been out since March which has limited exposure into the younger age groups which based on one recent study helped to reduce spread and save lives.
The hospitalization rate for 18-49 yr olds in the worst flu season of the last 10 yrs (2017-18) was 58.8 per 100,000. Right now for COVID that same age range is 91.3 per 100,000 and is 55.9 per 100,000 for 18-29 yr olds - unfortunately the CDC did not break down in their data the 18-29 for flu but it would obviously be quite a bit lower than the 58.8.

At any age range you are more likely to be hospitalized and die from COVID than flu, it gets worse as you get older, but even among the young the rates are multiple times higher.

Also make sure you are comparing the same metrics. I often see people comparing the case fatality rate for flu to the infection fatality rate for COVID. Those are 2 very different measurements that are not comparable. The case fatality rate for flu is 0.1%, but the infection fatality rate is likely 1/2 to 1/4 of that number). The current case fatality rate for COVID in the US is 3.2% but the infection mortality rate is likely about 1/10th of that.


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Estimated flu vs confirmed covid....this graph, while from the CDC should be taken with a grain of salt. It is impossible to compare 2 different things with different guidelines. Just like comparing greatest athletes from different generations and eras, can't do it, although we do try.
 

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LOL, you don't read too well, do you?

Meanwhile, word from the NCAA’s COVID-19 advisory panel is not good about forging ahead with sports this fall. Dr. Carlos del Rio, an infectious disease specialist at Emory University and a member of the NCAA advisory panel, said this about fall sports in a video conference Thursday:

“I feel like the Titanic. We have hit the iceberg, and we’re trying to make decisions of what time we should have the band play.”

Said del Rio: “What’s important right now is we need to control this virus. Not having fall sports this year, in controlling this virus, would be to me the No. 1 priority.”


I personally know Dr. del Rio. That guy is the most introspective and intelligent people I've had the pleasure of knowing. He's also one of the best in the world at what he does.

It's a good thing the reporter isnt' as good at her job as you guys are saying, because if she was, she would have uncovered this:


When your own world renowned professors say having students on campus is unsafe, it doesn't look well for trying to play sports.

There's too much confirmation bias going around. People who want sports ignore the science that shows it's dangerous. There's also the other side that think it's too dangerous to play but don't accept the limited data that sports may be safe under certain circumstances.

We all WANT football to be played. However, what we want and what's safe for the student athletes are different things. I hope we are able to play this fall...but when push comes to shove, I don't see any college sports happening this fall. The liability is going to be so great the conferences that are still thinking of playing will have to give into reality.

BTW, do you read? (See how that feels and sounds?). Faculty revolted because they weren’t requiring students to wear masks. They are okay with having students come back if they do, and especially if classes are virtual. Of course, the super spreader events won’t be in classrooms as we’ve all discussed. (Or on the football field).

Im sure your professor friend is honest, smart, and great at what he does. But just because one guy is pro-eradication doesn’t mean that’s the best answer for everyone. Virologists and epidemiologists are all about trying to minimize spread and risk. But there are other health and economics costs that come with that approach. I want football, but I’m also totally okay if the football team and coaches/staff votes not to play. They are Georgia Tech people and free humans first. If they don’t want to play because of the virus, or social justice issues, or mistreatment, or anything I will stand behind them. What I don’t prefer is someone else making decisions for them when those other people’s rationale is based on their own greed and selfishness.
 

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The statement that the flu hits young people harder than COVID is false. COVID kills young people at a far higher rate than the flu, its just so far it has infected far fewer as we have tried to mitigate exposure and schools have basically been out since March which has limited exposure into the younger age groups which based on one recent study helped to reduce spread and save lives.
The hospitalization rate for 18-49 yr olds in the worst flu season of the last 10 yrs (2017-18) was 58.8 per 100,000. Right now for COVID that same age range is 91.3 per 100,000 and is 55.9 per 100,000 for 18-29 yr olds - unfortunately the CDC did not break down in their data the 18-29 for flu but it would obviously be quite a bit lower than the 58.8.

At any age range you are more likely to be hospitalized and die from COVID than flu, it gets worse as you get older, but even among the young the rates are multiple times higher.

Also make sure you are comparing the same metrics. I often see people comparing the case fatality rate for flu to the infection fatality rate for COVID. Those are 2 very different measurements that are not comparable. The case fatality rate for flu is 0.1%, but the infection fatality rate is likely 1/2 to 1/4 of that number). The current case fatality rate for COVID in the US is 3.2% but the infection mortality rate is likely about 1/10th of that.


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Estimated flu vs confirmed covid....this graph, while from the CDC should be taken with a grain of salt. It is impossible to compare 2 different things with different guidelines. Just like comparing greatest athletes from different generations and eras, can't do it, although we do try.
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That is incorrect. Well its technically correct, but we aren’t comparing 40-year olds to college aged people. At younger ages the hospitalization and death rates are lower for COVID than they are for the flu.
 

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Estimated flu vs confirmed covid....this graph, while from the CDC should be taken with a grain of salt. It is impossible to compare 2 different things with different guidelines. Just like comparing greatest athletes from different generations and eras, can't do it, although we do try.

That is incorrect. Well its technically correct, but we aren’t comparing 40-year olds to college aged people. At younger ages the hospitalization and death rates are lower for COVID than they are for the flu.
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You do not have to be hospitalized to be really sick from COVID-19. I know of a 30-something man in Oriental who spent nearly three weeks mostly in bed with it. He would feel sort of OK for a day or so thinking it was about over, then he was back in bed. He's back at work now and tested negative twice in the past month, but still has almost no energy. He was a pretty health guy before.
 

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Should we bring back the FOCer's? Instead of "C" for Chan, it could be "C" for Covid-shutdown. You're either a "Fan Of" or "Foe Of", so whichever side of the fence you fall on, whichever "science" you want to use to back your narrative, you're a FOCer regardless.
 

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That is incorrect. Well its technically correct, but we aren’t comparing 40-year olds to college aged people. At younger ages the hospitalization and death rates are lower for COVID than they are for the flu.
You do not have to be hospitalized to be really sick from COVID-19. I know of a 30-something man in Oriental who spent nearly three weeks mostly in bed with it. He would feel sort of OK for a day or so thinking it was about over, then he was back in bed. He's back at work now and tested negative twice in the past month, but still has almost no energy. He was a pretty health guy before.
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I can relate to your friend/acquaintance. I am recently 42 yo, and although I'm obviously not quite what I once was in my 20's, I'm still a former/sometimes current (powerlifting mostly...used to be powerlifting and running)competitive athlete. I've always loved pushing myself as hard as humanly possible when it comes to athletic competition, whether that's against fellow competitors, or just beating personal bests. I know that even at 42 yo, I can/could still hang with some of the younger athletes out there, and even some on our (GT) football team. And I have a bit of a different perspective on COVID-19 now that I've had it/still recovering from it than I did before I contracted it. As a highly active/highly athletic person, I've seen first hand what it's done to my athletic performance, even though I had was would be considered a "mild" case (symptoms didn't get anywhere near life threatening). I know that pre-infection my one-rep max on bench press stayed in the 415-425 lb range, with my 315 lb max rep range being 12-15 reps. I also know that although I can no longer run low 4-minute miles like I could in my 20s, I can still pop off a 6.5 minute mile with ease, and stay in the 7 to 7.5 min/mile range for several miles prior to COVID.

Even though I still trained as much as I could through my infection, I know that my 315 lb rep range from above has dropped into the 5-7 rep range (haven't 1RMed during it, but given my history of 1RM to 315 lb rep range, I'd predict my max to be now in the mid-300's range). I know that if I attempt any serious cardio (like running with the pace/effort mentioned above, or max resistance on my climber), my chest feels like it's going to explode after 15-20 minutes, whereas that was in the 50-60 minute range pre-COVID. I still can push through it, but my performance is way down because the effort and stamina is gone and discomfort during performance is increased. I'm almost a month after my last negative test result, and the performance isn't coming back as fast as a "typical" drop from an illness, despite pushing my training through the infection. It's starting to get to the point that I'm wondering how much potential permanent effect contracting COVID will have on my performance. And I still have days where suddenly I have symptoms like I'm still in the middle of the worse part of my COVID infection....ridiculous fatigue levels to the point of d**n near falling asleep standing up, labored breathing, nausea. Then those will go away as fast as they came.

My perspective after this experience, based on what I've said above, is that now maybe I think that even a mild COVID infection just might could harm/affect/impact a high level athlete (like a D1 college player) to a greater noticable extent than what it would an average person. What I mean by that is that most/average people aren't ever exerting themselves to anywhere near "100%", so a COVID infection that reduces their maximum performance say....10% may never actually be noticable to those people, and they still "feel" fine. They are sitting at desks, sometimes walking, but mostly sedentary. But let that same mild infection impact an elite athlete and cut 10% off their max performance/stamina....that's a noticable effect. That takes someone running a 10 second 100yd sprint to 11 seconds, or takes a 400lb bench to 360lbs, or a 550lb squat to mid-400 lbs. In a sport/setting where fractions of a second and 10lbs more strength/2-3 more reps (aka endurance at a high level of exertion) can make or break a player.

My experience has changed my stance on whether I personally want to see college football this year. Again, I'm not 20 years old now (I'm actually stronger than I was at 20 yo, but still...), but my living through a COVID infection, given that I try to still train as much as humanly possible as I did at the age of our college athletes has made me start to wonder how much impact even "mild" infections could have on them. I only want to see football during COVID if they don't have the same issues I've had/am having if any athlete does in fact have to deal with the virus. I definitely don't want to push players to possibly have to deal with what I'm dealing with just so I can watch football. And yes, I understand as many have said in this thread (and others) that football players assume risk any and every time they step foot on the field. But if we lower that risk, especially with things that could affect their performance and livelihood, I think we should also do that.
 

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Here we go!
There are better articles out there describing that they are not shutting down but they really don't know what to do right now. Here is one:

If they do go through with the current plan, it will be rather strange to watch a Rose Bowl game between two SEC teams playing for the second or third time of the season in front of an empty stadium, with no Rose Bowl parade.
 

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There are better articles out there describing that they are not shutting down but they really don't know what to do right now. Here is one:

If they do go through with the current plan, it will be rather strange to watch a Rose Bowl game between two SEC teams playing for the second or third time of the season in front of an empty stadium, with no Rose Bowl parade.

If they play, I hope Georgia loses every single game. But, I will also find it funny if they win the whole thing but there is no national champion because of how many conferences play in the spring. With all the sewage already in Athens, that might cause a Beirut type explosion over there.
 

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LOL, you don't read too well, do you?

Meanwhile, word from the NCAA’s COVID-19 advisory panel is not good about forging ahead with sports this fall. Dr. Carlos del Rio, an infectious disease specialist at Emory University and a member of the NCAA advisory panel, said this about fall sports in a video conference Thursday:

“I feel like the Titanic. We have hit the iceberg, and we’re trying to make decisions of what time we should have the band play.”

Said del Rio: “What’s important right now is we need to control this virus. Not having fall sports this year, in controlling this virus, would be to me the No. 1 priority.”


I personally know Dr. del Rio. That guy is the most introspective and intelligent people I've had the pleasure of knowing. He's also one of the best in the world at what he does.

It's a good thing the reporter isnt' as good at her job as you guys are saying, because if she was, she would have uncovered this:


When your own world renowned professors say having students on campus is unsafe, it doesn't look well for trying to play sports.

There's too much confirmation bias going around. People who want sports ignore the science that shows it's dangerous. There's also the other side that think it's too dangerous to play but don't accept the limited data that sports may be safe under certain circumstances.

We all WANT football to be played. However, what we want and what's safe for the student athletes are different things. I hope we are able to play this fall...but when push comes to shove, I don't see any college sports happening this fall. The liability is going to be so great the conferences that are still thinking of playing will have to give into reality.

The one thing is certain is that if you do everything exactly the same yet don't play games, your risk cannot go up by not playing the games.

Dr. del Rio is advocating that a lockdown preventing students from being on campus is safer. That I think is likely true, although without a doubt programs would have less capacity to ensure SAs are actually following the quarantine rules.

But if we are having SAs on campus with the general student population no matter what, then I think trying to have a football season is absolutely going to be safer for them. Even if you have the same exact protocols (we wouldn't), people's behavior wouldn't be the same. Actual competition is going to lead to people being extra careful. There will still be people who violate protocols, but it will be fewer people doing it less often. I seriously doubt that with proposed testing protocols we will see false negatives causing significant spread on the football field through competition. I see much more likely games needing to be rescheduled and canceled and issues with institutions following protocols and causing alarm leading to something resembling a football season not actually happening. But of course this is just projecting based on logical inference. I'm sure someone could approach this more formally, but there would be extremely limited data to work from.

Apart from liability, there is additional risk to athletes if games are played. In cases of myocarditis (reasonable that sudden death could be the first symptom), the exertion of a football game is going to be more likely to lead to arrhythmia and death in SAs, possibly on the field. I don't know how to quantify that risk, and even if we assume that this happening would still be more unlikely than an SA contracting COVID and dying from it if the season were canceled, having someone drop dead during competition that gets linked to COVID would be a devastating event to CFB.

If you want my personal opinion, I think we need to have a nationwide lockdown for a brief period with very strong enforcement, significant ramp up of rapid testing capability and contact tracing, and to not trust known infectious individuals to be responsible for their own self-quarantining. Then we can have football in the Spring. But that ain't happening. So within the way we are handling COVID as a nation, I want CFB to be played, and I think we all have to stomach the reality that comes with it.
 

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Apart from liability, there is additional risk to athletes if games are played. In cases of myocarditis (reasonable that sudden death could be the first symptom), the exertion of a football game is going to be more likely to lead to arrhythmia and death in SAs, possibly on the field.

So, this is a question. I am not trying to be argumentative, just wanting to understand. According to this https://www.hindawi.com/journals/irt/2012/351979/ (I have no idea what it is, but it looks official :) and there were similar reports from Mayo Clinic) " Acute myocarditis is a well-known complication of influenza infection." This was from 2012. Yet there has never been anything mentioned anywhere about needing to shut down football because of the flu until now. Is the myocarditis caused by Covid somehow more insidious than that caused by H1N1? If not, why wasn't football stopped before?
 

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So, this is a question. I am not trying to be argumentative, just wanting to understand. According to this https://www.hindawi.com/journals/irt/2012/351979/ (I have no idea what it is, but it looks official :) and there were similar reports from Mayo Clinic) " Acute myocarditis is a well-known complication of influenza infection." This was from 2012. Yet there has never been anything mentioned anywhere about needing to shut down football because of the flu until now. Is the myocarditis caused by Covid somehow more insidious than that caused by H1N1? If not, why wasn't football stopped before?
We have a vaccine.
 

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The one thing is certain is that if you do everything exactly the same yet don't play games, your risk cannot go up by not playing the games.

Dr. del Rio is advocating that a lockdown preventing students from being on campus is safer. That I think is likely true, although without a doubt programs would have less capacity to ensure SAs are actually following the quarantine rules.

But if we are having SAs on campus with the general student population no matter what, then I think trying to have a football season is absolutely going to be safer for them. Even if you have the same exact protocols (we wouldn't), people's behavior wouldn't be the same. Actual competition is going to lead to people being extra careful. There will still be people who violate protocols, but it will be fewer people doing it less often. I seriously doubt that with proposed testing protocols we will see false negatives causing significant spread on the football field through competition. I see much more likely games needing to be rescheduled and canceled and issues with institutions following protocols and causing alarm leading to something resembling a football season not actually happening. But of course this is just projecting based on logical inference. I'm sure someone could approach this more formally, but there would be extremely limited data to work from.

Apart from liability, there is additional risk to athletes if games are played. In cases of myocarditis (reasonable that sudden death could be the first symptom), the exertion of a football game is going to be more likely to lead to arrhythmia and death in SAs, possibly on the field. I don't know how to quantify that risk, and even if we assume that this happening would still be more unlikely than an SA contracting COVID and dying from it if the season were canceled, having someone drop dead during competition that gets linked to COVID would be a devastating event to CFB.

If you want my personal opinion, I think we need to have a nationwide lockdown for a brief period with very strong enforcement, significant ramp up of rapid testing capability and contact tracing, and to not trust known infectious individuals to be responsible for their own self-quarantining. Then we can have football in the Spring. But that ain't happening. So within the way we are handling COVID as a nation, I want CFB to be played, and I think we all have to stomach the reality that comes with it.

Yea in a perfect world I think a lot of people would agree with you. If you check in around the world, we don’t live in a perfect world. Several dozen countries are having huge spikes. Across Europe they are having spikes. They are also having protests against shutdowns and people are treating each other like crap in public over masks. The entire world is grappling with how to live life, which is what you would expect given what COVID is.

College football players face much larger risks than COVID. CTE, drugs, gangs...given what we have now for that demographic (18-24 year olds) is worries without proof (yet), I still think we should let the players and coaching staffs decide. Most of them have faced worse and will face worse.

Another study came out about all the negative health consequences of shut downs - financial ruin, stress and mental health, and obesity (eating more cheap processed foods). Dr. Fauci said that tens and tens of thousands of people are dying and will die prematurely from not having regular cancer screenings and other health screenings and from not getting/seeking treatment. There are no easy answers
 
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