Roof

[tech_wreck47]

FYI, TK Chimedza (currently committed 4-star defensive tackle) is entirely a Roof product. We wouldn't have him committed without Roof in the picture. This also applies to the Swillings, one of which was an Army All-American and consensus 4-star. They also committed because of Roof. Along with them, Jaquan Henderson was a 4-star who whose main recruiter was Roof. Beyond those, TD Roof, Xavier Gantt, and currently committed Malachi Carter are all high-ceiling highly-regarded Roof recruits that I can name off the top of my head. He's also had us in the discussion with several high-profile recruits that Tech didn't end up landing, but wouln't have had a shot at without him. We're only now starting to see the benefits Roof is providing us in recruiting

I get this but do you honestly think if we had a different D coordinator, let's say kelly, we couldn't have gotten those guys? I have no doubt Roof can recruit, but those guys came to GT for more than just him imo. Also what's it matter if we are seeing the benefits of his recruits when the D isn't really improving.

 

[Animal02]

Is there a reason you have to play football to know anything about football ? And yes our passing game sucked this year. Do you know what the difference was this year and last year ? Hint this year we only completed 10 passes to the A-backs . Why ? I have no idea other than looking it seems TM does not check down, but not knowing what plays were called all I can say is that is the way it looked to me. But then I'm 65 and fall in the age group you talk about. Was I happy with 5 wins no. I have been a season ticket holder for 36 years and the first one we were 1-10. I know you get sick of hearing this from us old guys but we are the ones who have seen some really bad years. Oh and by the way I played football but I guess being this old it don't count for you.
We are all Tech people and NO ONE WAS HAPPY THIS YEAR but that is no reason to be rude to another Tech guy.

You playing football doesn't count......leather helmets made it a different game.

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

I'm not sure if that's some what of a threat but , I will more than happy to "stack up with you " anytime , anywhere. We can compete against each in boxing, cage fighting, football, golf, weight lifting, rock climbing and so on..

A threat? Lmfao...how do you take that as a threat. My invitation for you to join me in my section was in direct response, and rebuttal to, your assertion that most Tech fans are males between 60-70 years of age. That assertion was patently and obviously false and proves you are not only not a fan, but a troll. And I knew when I invited ya you would never show because you are a troll and not a fan.

Evidence you are a troll from the past few days.
•3 day old acct
•claimed to have followed this board for a few years on 2 separate accounts (also shows you have probably already been banned twice already for trolling.
•said you are not a "nerd" like typical Tech fans
•said most Tech fans at BDS are old 60-70 yoa men
•proffered your high school football playing days as proof of your expertise in football related matters
•challenged another member to a football skills 1v1 competition to prove you are more knowledgeable in football matters

And now you take an invitation to section 101, to demonstrate their aren't many 60-70 year olds among us...and postulate same as some sort of threat.

Too funny. Maybe you played HS football. Do you also play air soft and advise Army Rangers on small unit tactics?

Mods I was gonna ask u not to ban him but just title him as Swarm Clown Troll....but I'm too late I see. I hope he manages to read this anyway.

 

[g0lftime]

TR has a defensive system that he has developed over many years of coaching, and also I am sure some of it is from his playing days. We can argue over whether it is effective enough to help us win more games. UGA just out-personnelled us and Duke out-finessed us with their offenses. That is troublesome. Under PJ we cannot count on our defense to win games when the O is being shut down. If we need better players on defense, then better recruiting is the ticket. I do wish TR was more energetic when he is interviewed by the press. He seems to struggle and is guarded with what he wants to say. Maybe he is more outgoing and energetic than he shows in public, but I think we need that spark of enthusiasm from the recruiting staff. Football is a game, it should be fun to play. These kids put a lot of hard work and sacrifice in order to play the games. It doesn't need to be a grind all the time. School is enough of a grind. The coaching staff sets the tone of the program along with x's and o's. Coach McCollum (sp?) seems to be the kind of guy that would be fun to hang around with. That may be why he is one of our better recruiters. Increasing recruiting staff may help a lot if that can bring in young enthusiastic people for the job.

 

[RedPete]

A threat? Lmfao...how do you take that as a threat. My invitation for you to join me in my section was in direct response, and rebuttal to, your assertion that most Tech fans are males between 60-70 years of age. That assertion was patently and obviously false and proves you are not only not a fan, but a troll. And I knew when I invited ya you would never show because you are a troll and not a fan.

Evidence you are a troll from the past few days...

And now you take an invitation to section 101, to demonstrate their aren't many 60-70 year olds among us...and postulate same as some sort of threat.
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Mods I was gonna ask u not to ban him but just title him as Swarm Clown Troll....but I'm too late I see. I hope he manages to read this anyway.

Actually I’m pretty sure I’ve seen this [dipstick]bag slamming the program the same way in another GT forum. I said something like , I’ll fight anyone who says GT can’t produce NFL players, and he took it literally there too, among other unsavory similarities. He’s definitely an [ascent]hole but unlikely a ugag fan troll I suspect. Fwiw

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

I get this but do you honestly think if we had a different D coordinator, let's say kelly, we couldn't have gotten those guys? I have no doubt Roof can recruit, but those guys came to GT for more than just him imo. Also what's it matter if we are seeing the benefits of his recruits when the D isn't really improving.

The D is improving. It's miles better than last year. It's just not improving fast enough to suit people.

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

Too funny. Maybe you played HS football. Do you also play air soft and advise Army Rangers on small unit tactics?

You sir, have won the internet today!

 

[Jacket in Dairyland]

Well, I am a 67 years young Tech fan and alum (73). I am ALWAYS A FAN of EVERYTHING TECH. Just ask my spouse, I literally get sick when Tech loses, especially in FB and to the Dawgs. I get limited chances to see the team and I rely on this board to help me celebrate and vent. However, try as the moderators might, the Trolls usually crawl out from under a rock after this game. You just wonder what their small, sad lives are really like. Talk about your typical " Bubba" stereotype. Probably cooped up in his parent's basement posting between reruns of "Hee Haw".....

 

[Jacket in Dairyland]

Back on the subject. CTR seems to be too conservative and "soft" in his philosophy. Early in the season, it seems to work better: teams are working in new ( young) players that are more prone to making a mistake on offense. But later in the year, the bend, but don't break scheme/attitude just gets driven down the field with so much regularity that by the 4th quarter our lack of quality depth is evident. Obviously, I have no coaching experience, but I watch attacking Big 10 defenses that are more successful : Wisconsin, PSU, Iowa. They attack, especially early the game to create turnovers, put the opponent behind the chains. I don't think Roof would change his philosophy, he is a Tech man and I would hate to see him go. Maybe with better players????? Or make him Recruiting Director and McCollum DC?

 

[Yomanser]

I get this but do you honestly think if we had a different D coordinator, let's say kelly, we couldn't have gotten those guys? I have no doubt Roof can recruit, but those guys came to GT for more than just him imo. Also what's it matter if we are seeing the benefits of his recruits when the D isn't really improving.

I'll just address this question since you asked it, but I'm just here to provide insight, not get sucked into the thread. If we had a different defensive coordinator, there's no predicting what guys we would or would not have gotten. I entirely believe, however, that without Roof neither of the Swillings would be here, and we wouldn't have the strong connection to Buford and Gwinnett County that we do currently (Gantt, Roof, and David Curry are all Buford products and Roof recruits, and Roof is the area recruiter for Gwinnett County, which has long-been a talent-rich area and only recently has GT started to have success recruiting the area)

I also disagree that the defense isn't improving - yards per play, yards per game, and 3rd down conversion percentage were all improved this year for the defense. The only reason points per game didn't improve is because we routinely gave the opposing team great field position via special teams blunders. Obviously, everything - offense, defense, special teams - started to go downhill after the Virginia game and collapsed entirely for the last 2 games of the season, but that was just as much the players giving up as it was coaching and scheme. What I saw during the Duke and Georgia games was a team that was broken in spirit and gave up on themselves and one another. That's on coaching, absolutely, but the players have to take some responsibility. The coaches can put them in the right positions, but if they can't make the play then it's not a fault of the scheme, which to my understanding is everyone's sore spot with Roof. That's just my personal opinion on some thoughts over the defense, since you asked if it matters if we are bringing in better recruits if the defense isn't improving

 

[okiemon]

Actually I’m pretty sure I’ve seen this [dipstick]bag slamming the program the same way in another GT forum. I said something like , I’ll fight anyone who says GT can’t produce NFL players, and he took it literally there too, among other unsavory similarities. He’s definitely an [ascent]hole but unlikely a ugag fan troll I suspect. Fwiw

Yeah...reading this thread for the last couple of days has been like watching a catfight. The guy had some (not all, just some) reasonable ideas, but couldn't handle any disagreement at all.

 

[FlakJacket]

I’m still not convinced any of the players “quit”. They were still putting forth too much effort to say they laid down and quit. I do however, feel like they had their asses handed to them and there was absolutely ZERO they could do about it.

 

[MWBATL]

I'll just address this question since you asked it, but I'm just here to provide insight, not get sucked into the thread. If we had a different defensive coordinator, there's no predicting what guys we would or would not have gotten. I entirely believe, however, that without Roof neither of the Swillings would be here, and we wouldn't have the strong connection to Buford and Gwinnett County that we do currently (Gantt, Roof, and David Curry are all Buford products and Roof recruits, and Roof is the area recruiter for Gwinnett County, which has long-been a talent-rich area and only recently has GT started to have success recruiting the area)

I also disagree that the defense isn't improving - yards per play, yards per game, and 3rd down conversion percentage were all improved this year for the defense. The only reason points per game didn't improve is because we routinely gave the opposing team great field position via special teams blunders. Obviously, everything - offense, defense, special teams - started to go downhill after the Virginia game and collapsed entirely for the last 2 games of the season, but that was just as much the players giving up as it was coaching and scheme. What I saw during the Duke and Georgia games was a team that was broken in spirit and gave up on themselves and one another. That's on coaching, absolutely, but the players have to take some responsibility. The coaches can put them in the right positions, but if they can't make the play then it's not a fault of the scheme, which to my understanding is everyone's sore spot with Roof. That's just my personal opinion on some thoughts over the defense, since you asked if it matters if we are bringing in better recruits if the defense isn't improving

Yomanser, I for one appreciate your insights on this board. The *one* thing that Roof upsets me with is his two minute situational "prevent" defense. I agree that the defense improved this year. The one area that was glaring to me was the soft 2 minute defense. (T o be fair, he tries to be aggressive once people reach the 30 yard line, but that is so predictable even *I* know the blitz is coming then.)

 

[Yomanser]

Yomanser, I for one appreciate your insights on this board. The *one* thing that Roof upsets me with is his two minute situational "prevent" defense. I agree that the defense improved this year. The one area that was glaring to me was the soft 2 minute defense. (T o be fair, he tries to be aggressive once people reach the 30 yard line, but that is so predictable even *I* know the blitz is coming then.)

That's more than fair, and a complaint I have as well. That, along with red-zone defense, didn't seem to improve all year, but on the whole the defensive unit improved from last year to this year, and if it weren't for our breakdown at the end of this season it wouldn't be as nearly hated and talked about as it is right now. It's much easier to talk about the program when you win and things go your way, and harder when you end on a sour note

 

[Josh H]

So now can we get back to the topic that this post was made for? If roof is gone who should we go grab? I said it early, but I think Chad Glasgow from TCU would be a good grab. From what I can tell from some googling he makes less than Roof and TCU runs a good defense against very explosive offenses in the big 12 with a lot of 3* guys.

http://grantland.com/features/hard-knocks-playing-defense-with-tcus-gary-patterson/

I really like how Gary Patterson challenges himself to call defensive plays in six seconds, not randomly, but based on tendencies and trying to call a better play. Chad Glasgow had only one year with Texas Tech and couldn't improve the defense, but that was a while ago and Texas Tech was *really* bad on defense anyways.

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

Yomanser, I for one appreciate your insights on this board. The *one* thing that Roof upsets me with is his two minute situational "prevent" defense. I agree that the defense improved this year. The one area that was glaring to me was the soft 2 minute defense. (T o be fair, he tries to be aggressive once people reach the 30 yard line, but that is so predictable even *I* know the blitz is coming then.)

I agree 1000%. Any improvement on defense overall is negated IMO when you fall back to that damn prevent defense in situations when a stop is almost necessary. I would rather attack and get beat than just automatically give up those yards. We probably still would not have won the game, but imagine if we had not gone to a prevent D at the end of the first half and had not given up that FG. For me, that was the turning point of the game.

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

I agree 1000%. Any improvement on defense overall is negated IMO when you fall back to that damn prevent defense in situations when a stop is almost necessary. I would rather attack and get beat than just automatically give up those yards. We probably still would not have won the game, but imagine if we had not gone to a prevent D at the end of the first half and had not given up that FG. For me, that was the turning point of the game.

A few points:

1. There's nothing wrong with prevent D. You are trading yards for time, and the strategy is used by a lot of the DCs you guys are clamoring to bring in here to replace Roof. The issue is to make sure the time expires before they can score. We haven't been good at keeping it in bounds and slowing them down enough, but the issue is with our execution of the D, not the strategy itself. We saw it work well against uga at the end of the game in 2016. It almost worked out against Miami this year, but a fluke catch killed us.

2. To say that you're willing to throw out all the progress over the 2 minute D is just silly. It's just more moving the goalposts so you can find a way to blame Roof for something. We did improve on D, in many areas. We still need to get better at a lot of things, but we were a middle of the road D this year, not bottom tier. That's substantial progress.

3. The turning point of the uga game happened before these guys took the field. We weren't winning that game last Saturday. It pains me to admit it, but we lost that game in the second half against Duke.

 

[RonJohn]

1. There's nothing wrong with prevent D. You are trading yards for time, and the strategy is used by a lot of the DCs you guys are clamoring to bring in here to replace Roof. The issue is to make sure the time expires before they can score. We haven't been good at keeping it in bounds and slowing them down enough, but the issue is with our execution of the D, not the strategy itself. We saw it work well against uga at the end of the game in 2016. It almost worked out against Miami this year, but a fluke catch killed us.

Were they actually in prevent in those situations this year? I would have to go back and watch film, but I thought they were just in the nickel.

 

[MWBATL]

A few points:

1. There's nothing wrong with prevent D. You are trading yards for time, and the strategy is used by a lot of the DCs you guys are clamoring to bring in here to replace Roof. The issue is to make sure the time expires before they can score. We haven't been good at keeping it in bounds and slowing them down enough, but the issue is with our execution of the D, not the strategy itself. We saw it work well against uga at the end of the game in 2016. It almost worked out against Miami this year, but a fluke catch killed us.

2. To say that you're willing to throw out all the progress over the 2 minute D is just silly. It's just more moving the goalposts so you can find a way to blame Roof for something. We did improve on D, in many areas. We still need to get better at a lot of things, but we were a middle of the road D this year, not bottom tier. That's substantial progress.

3. The turning point of the uga game happened before these guys took the field. We weren't winning that game last Saturday. It pains me to admit it, but we lost that game in the second half against Duke.

Don't think I said to fire Roof. Just said he pi**ed me off with those types of calls.

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

Don't think I said to fire Roof. Just said he pi**ed me off with those types of calls.

My reply wasn't directed at you specifically, but the point holds. Most DCs run some form of prevent D at the end of halves/games. The opposing OCs run much more aggressively in those situations, which improves the odds of beating normal coverage, but also lowers the success rate. That is somewhat mitigated by the knowledge that you are playing 4 down football, so the DC has to stress keeping the play in front of the safeties. This creates a bubble in the center that can be exploited, but also means that the clock continues to run. Our problem has been keeping that clock running, not losing contain on the play, necessarily.