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Pastner vs Crean

Discussion in 'Georgia Tech Basketball' started by joehamiltonfan14, Jan 4, 2020.

  1. THWG16

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    I think what he’s saying is is that we’ve heard pastner give a buttload of excuses & tell us “we’re not gonna expect to be contenders until year 3,4”, when crean has made waves in year 2. And btw it’s year 4 & nothing has changed , it’s regressed from year 1
     
  2. YlJacket

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    5 year turnaround plans are unusual in college BB to say the least. Certainly at P5 programs.
     
  3. lv20gt

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    Yes and the rest of your post demonstrated that syndrome perfectly.

    lol what waves has he made this year? They literally have one quality win. Do you realize the irony in ripping Pastner for saying it'll take 3-4 years when it was Crean that suffered the worst season in a decade for the program in year 1 while Pastner won ACC CoY in year 1?

    Oh and for those keeping score Crean is now 2-18 against SEC teams while at UGA.
     
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    Happy Crean’s mutts lost to KY. Not sure what the crowd was like at stegeman, but was thrilled to hear GO BIG BLUE chant over the tv :)
     
  5. majorQ9

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    On tv it looked like a good showing by the Georgia fans. Lowest amount of UK fans I can remember at Stegman.
     
  6. gte447f

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    I think you are absolutely right, but the KY fans still got loud a couple of times.
     
  7. majorQ9

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    For sure, Kentucky fans got the last laugh and chant
     
  8. THWG16

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    2-0 vs us
     
  9. THWG16

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    It's very very easy to rip Pastner: say what you want about the trouble off the court, but anyone with common sense knows he knew some of what has gone on with the stuff that's put us on probation. The first year was very good but been downhill since, it doesn't take very long to rebuild a bball program when it only takes a couple of really good players to get things going, i.e: auburn!! He has repeatedly made excuses about how if Okogie hadn't left we'd be in great shape,etc. Recruiting isn't good at all: I said earlier we had the 37th ranked class but it's actually 43rd, and GT shouldn't be excited about that. Crean hasn't set the woods on fire but he's recruited a player that we haven't seen the likes of here since Favors, he's got the fanbase excited and 10-4 would be nice for us right now. I don't think my 2 cents on this is really not a praise on Crean but more of an indictment on Pastner and the state of GT bball: it should be soooooo much better than this and some people think we should settle for it which is stupid..we have tradition here and are in a very very fertile recruiting area. And I think Collins may be proving that we can get good athletes even with academic restrictions.
     
  10. Sebastian GT

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    One of the more infuriating things about this board and those in our fanbase who feel this way.
     
  11. THWG16

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    I agree with gte447f
     
  12. lv20gt

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    So just an update.

    After the 10 point home loss against previously winless, in conference, Ole Miss, UGA is now 1-5 in the SEC bringing Crean's record to 3-22 against SEC teams in his time at UGA.
     
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    Those 3 wins are enough to piss you off & ruin your day. The mutt cannot lose enough to satisfy my appetite.
     
  14. RamblinRed

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    UGA has also fallen below GT in the KenPom rankings. GT is at 83 after the win today, UGA falls to #91 with its loss.

    GT has simply lost too many close games. According to KenPom GT played the 31st toughest OOC schedule and through today the 8th toughest schedule overall . GT needed to find a way to win some of those close games, instead they have lost almost all the close ones except against NC ST.

    For me personally, losing to UGA sucks in any sport, but especially basketball. I'm not happy at all about Pastner's record against UGA as it is the most important OOC game to me every year.
     
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    If our issue is figuring out whether Crean or Pastner is the top dog, we have lost. I don't think that is what we need to worry about.
     
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    Braine screwed us with the Hewitt contract and MBob really finished it off.
     
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  17. RamblinRed

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    Don't leave out DRad who turned the MBB search over to Eddie Fogler who was bad mouthing our job while arranging guys to interview for it.

    Also, I wish we had reason to pay attention to this but in case anyone wants to follow it the NCAA updates the NET rankings every day.
    https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings

    After the rankings is a link to the NET Team sheets.
    https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/SitePages/Home.aspx
    The team sheets is a big pdf document that has the teams in NET order. But you can see exactly what the committe receives. there is alot of info on it.

    What's very frustrating is if this team had simply pulled out the home games against Ark and ND then you could legitimately talk about them as a bubble team (not one on the right side of it, but one still in contention with a month to go).
    Doesn't mean it will stay this way but GT is ahead of UGA in all the major ranking systems used by the NCAA right now - Sagarin, KenPom, BPI, NET.

    As mentioned above though we should not be comparing ourselves to UGA, we should be flat out consistently better than their program.
     
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    Note: Ga. St. is one up from Georgia.
     
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    The loss to them sucks for obvious reasons, but I feel reasonably certain that if we played them today, it would be a different outcome.

    They seemed to play way above their heads in that game. If we had played any defense on Rayshaun Hammonds, we get that W.

    To no one's surprise, that was his season high. He doubled his season avg. in that game as he is only averaging 13.4 ppg on the season.
     
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