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All this talk of scheme vs recruiting...
i don’t think anyone is opposing an identity based scheme offense. i don’t think it would be hard to get everyone on board with running what we see at tennessee, ole miss, ohio state etcInteresting take on that @lv20gt. I would suggest that the recruiting aspects seem to be moving further out of control from the coaching staffs though. NIL Funding and Recruiting Inducements are now being done in the open. I don't see how a non-factory school, that is intent on being a SCHOOL first, will ever compete regularly for the kind of talent that you need to out athlete the top 15-20 teams in any given year WITHOUT huge money backing the recruiting aspect.
If you can't do that than Conference Championships are out of the question. Which leads me to look at what you CAN control, and that brings me back to scheme based systems. That doesn't argue for or against the HC being the one responsible, but I do think the path forward for GT is through an identity based scheme on Offense.
i don’t think it would be hard to get everyone on board with running what we see at tennessee, ole miss, ohio state etc
You must be in remarkably good shape to be moving goalposts around so often.evolving their own offense. And hate to break it to you, nobody is really innovating in CFB, what we see today has been done for decades, things ebb/flow.
But if you think we don't need recruiting to beat clemson and georgia, then cool.
no and i’ve said him and deion are my two favorites for the hire multiple times on here. i just have some questions about chadwells lack of recruiting ability shown thus farWould you have issue with the Chadwell offense?
How does Chadwell's "lack of recruiting ability thus far" compare to Dell McGee's recruiting at Ga Southern?no and i’ve said him and deion are my two favorites for the hire multiple times on here. i just have some questions about chadwells lack of recruiting ability shown thus far
I would add "And Defense" Why not have both?Interesting take on that @lv20gt. I would suggest that the recruiting aspects seem to be moving further out of control from the coaching staffs though. NIL Funding and Recruiting Inducements are now being done in the open. I don't see how a non-factory school, that is intent on being a SCHOOL first, will ever compete regularly for the kind of talent that you need to out athlete the top 15-20 teams in any given year WITHOUT huge money backing the recruiting aspect.
If you can't do that than Conference Championships are out of the question. Which leads me to look at what you CAN control, and that brings me back to scheme based systems. That doesn't argue for or against the HC being the one responsible, but I do think the path forward for GT is through an identity based scheme on Offense.
OK, but Deion is the unicorn of recruiting. He can immediately compete for top players, even at a non factory school like tech.Interesting take on that @lv20gt. I would suggest that the recruiting aspects seem to be moving further out of control from the coaching staffs though. NIL Funding and Recruiting Inducements are now being done in the open. I don't see how a non-factory school, that is intent on being a SCHOOL first, will ever compete regularly for the kind of talent that you need to out athlete the top 15-20 teams in any given year WITHOUT huge money backing the recruiting aspect.
If you can't do that than Conference Championships are out of the question. Which leads me to look at what you CAN control, and that brings me back to scheme based systems. That doesn't argue for or against the HC being the one responsible, but I do think the path forward for GT is through an identity based scheme on Offense.
I mean several public records have been presented to you that support the argument. Here’s another for good measure, Paul mentions he considered retirement earlier because it wasn’t fun working under the previous AD at 5:25 in his retirement press conference.i don’t disagree that we haven’t put up enough money into the football program. even with collins he wasn’t given the support and backing that many other coaches in our own conference get. everyone knows our facilities are middle of the road.
i don’t care who the coach is tech football needs more money and investment if we are serious about competing in the p5 level with our biggest rivals being uga and clemson.
i just disagree with this notion of starving out the program because it was paul or the option. that just makes no sense whatsoever and hurts literally every party involved. just seems like the constant retelling of this story with literally zero tangible proof is turning this into some paul bunyan tale of bravery
We are pretty much in agreement. We can recruit with the top teams in our league. Not over night, but it can be built thru winning and providing a viable path to the NFL. But, based on my experience coaching baseball and soccer at the select level, It's hard to take a mid-level talented player and make him a 5 star talent. Side note, I have coached several players that have gone on to major SEC programs and I have seen the talent level it takes to succeed. Bottom line, ITS ABOUT THE JIMMYS AND THE JOES.You’re right about #4... it’s highly subjective and largely worthless because each program should evaluate their needs; not rely on a third party publication for fans. That’s kind of my point. Where we stand in terms of recruiting is far less important than our development program.
As for my # 3,I can’t dispute your assertion that we are “capable,” we just haven’t done it, ever. I said our schedule, not our league, but even still, we are not going to consistently out recruit Clem, FSU, Miami, and UNC. And if we do, What does that get us? Absent improvement in a lot of other areas, not much.
I don’t think we really disagree, for what it’s worth. Recruiting has to be a part of the solution... I just don’t believe the assertion of many here who believe it’s the primary part.
How has that worked for Miami? It takes more than ONLY Jimmys and Joes.Bottom line, ITS ABOUT THE JIMMYS AND THE JOES.
Question: Was Dell McGee demoted at uga? Until 2018 he was assistant head coach and running backs coach. Since 2019 he's been run game coordinator and running backs coach.
Also, why has he been in pretty much the same position for 6 years and only just now being considered for a HC job? It would seem that an assistant of that caliber at a factory like uga would have been poached already. At least as an OC.
How has that worked for Bama, Georgia, OSU, ND, Michigan, Clemson, LSU, Oregon, Penn State, USC, Oklahoma etc. the past 10 years?How has that worked for Miami? It takes more than ONLY Jimmys and Joes.
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Deion will fill seats and bring 4 stars in year 1. Success is not his biggest recruiting tool. It's his name. Will he leave after 4 years? Maybe, but that would mean he did well and tech might be a more desirable coaching destination for the next hire.
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Paul could have had more. He was his own worst enemy.
Have those schools had ONLY recruiting? Or have they also paid for and had top notch coaching?How has that worked for Bama, Georgia, OSU, ND, Michigan, Clemson, LSU, Oregon, Penn State, USC, Oklahoma etc. the past 10 years?
rappers and movie stars? LOL, is that his selling point to get kids to play in Jackson, MS?why do you keep saying this? what evidence is there of this? are you gonna say he's friends with rappers and movie stars, so that automatically takes us to the football nirvana?
i don't get it. he can't sell at GT what he sells at JSU.
It's exactly the samefundamentally the “pitch man” is just not the same since it’s a pass play.
at the end of the day it is all semantics but this was something we lacked with paul johnson’s offense and should have have been implemented. i just don’t think our qbs outside of thomas were consistent enough passers to run anything like this