Offensive Play-Calling

NorthAvenueNation

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Maybe the offense will have a great game next week in Chapel Hill, like the game last year against UNC: 635 yards and 46 points. Hope the Jackets can put the current offensive malaise in the rear-view mirror.
Putting 412 years on Duke was nice but I think the best stat line of the night from our offense was TOP... 39:27 to 20:33... that is fantastic. Yes, our defense helped out with getting a lot of 3 and outs for us; but the screens and chunk runs allowed us to milk the clock a bit. I'd LOVE to see us put 500+ yards of offense of UNCheat and hopefully give up less than 200 on defense!
 

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I understand it seemed very vanilla and predictable this game, but it also seemed to work just fine. We put up 412 yards in the game, which is more than any team in Duke's 5 previous games this year (including Duke themselves). I think that the general idea of the plays look predictable but there are little differences in each play that we don't notice easily and help them succeed.
 

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Putting 412 years on Duke was nice but I think the best stat line of the night from our offense was TOP... 39:27 to 20:33... that is fantastic. Yes, our defense helped out with getting a lot of 3 and outs for us; but the screens and chunk runs allowed us to milk the Yes. But in dpite of that, we tralied late in the 3rd quarter, 14-10clock a bit. I'd LOVE to see us put 500+ yards of offense of UNCheat and hopefully give up less than 200 on defense!
Correct, BUT…in spite of that we trailed late inthe 3rd quarter. Had we not rallied for a dominant 4th quarter (something we were unable to do in our 2 losses) we would have lost this game. Therein lies the problem.
 

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I think some of Buster’s play calling involves compensating for areas in which our offense isn’t strong, emphasizing certain blocking patterns, types of runs, and certain pass patterns. It’s the only way I can account for large missing sections in the playbook. Also, as others have pointed out, some of his plays may be influence plays to set up other plays in the future.
I’m certain that’s it, but my question is, “what changed?” We had a lot more looks late last year and brought basically everyone back. It’s just strange…injuries must be playing a part
 

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I’m certain that’s it, but my question is, “what changed?” We had a lot more looks late last year and brought basically everyone back. It’s just strange…injuries must be playing a part
I’m sure injuries have taken their toll. Brent also mentioned in his post game press conference that they realized they had sort of gotten in a “phone booth”, his words, when talking about the play calling/overall playing the offense. We stopped using the whole field which we did a much better job of over the latter half of the year.
 

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I’m sure injuries have taken their toll. Brent also mentioned in his post game press conference that they realized they had sort of gotten in a “phone booth”, his words, when talking about the play calling/overall playing the offense. We stopped using the whole field which we did a much better job of over the latter half of the year.
Key is honest.
Hope the coaches can include a few passes down field in the definition of "the whole field".
 

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I think Key still favors runs inside to pound on the DL. He often has mentioned "body blows" taking their toll late in the game. We may have gone too far with inside runs against Louisville to "soften" them up.
I hope HK does not have a hand injury of some sort. Only speculation on my part.
 

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I think Key still favors runs inside to pound on the DL. He often has mentioned "body blows" taking their toll late in the game. We may have gone too far with inside runs against Louisville to "soften" them up.
I hope HK does not have a hand injury of some sort. Only speculation on my part.
The idea of a hand injury makes some sense to me. Key wouldn’t want to advertise this, if true. Not only have we reduced the mid-range passes, we saw HK sail some passes Saturday night…something I don’t recall him doing in the past (the sequence in the 2nd quarter when we got inside the 10 but he missed 2 passes in a row comes to mind). I am sure HK is superior in his reads and decision making, so the thought of replacing him with another QB is a no-go. So….this idea may be true.

If true, I wonder if this is a season-long injury? Maybe so, since a 2 week break did not solve it. But, if true, I would prefer to see fewer planned QB runs into the pile in the middle.
 

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I think Key still favors runs inside to pound on the DL. He often has mentioned "body blows" taking their toll late in the game. We may have gone too far with inside runs against Louisville to "soften" them up.
I hope HK does not have a hand injury of some sort. Only speculation on my part.
TFP was clinically delusional about impact of talented skill players ( going to be elite nfl) , but underestimated the need for offensive line. He imagined stuff.

Seems like using a small rb and sometimes your qb to pound will only work on lesser teams when we somehow have a good number of long drives.
 

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We do call a lot of screens, but we also throw the intermediate routes. The throw to Bailey Stockton is a good example - 15 yards downfield to convert. Given the speed we have with Singleton and Rutherford, it’s typically a very good option - see Singleton’s TD (BTW-that was pretty sick).

All that said, it does feel like the play calling has stagnated a bit, or that we’ve created all of these tendencies but haven’t really countered the other teams counters effectively.
STOCKTON ONE TARGET
16% of pass offense yards on 3 % targets by a 3rd team wr? IS he that good at getting open or are the TE that bad?
 

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The idea of a hand injury makes some sense to me. Key wouldn’t want to advertise this, if true. Not only have we reduced the mid-range passes, we saw HK sail some passes Saturday night…something I don’t recall him doing in the past (the sequence in the 2nd quarter when we got inside the 10 but he missed 2 passes in a row comes to mind). I am sure HK is superior in his reads and decision making, so the thought of replacing him with another QB is a no-go. So….this idea may be true.

If true, I wonder if this is a season-long injury? Maybe so, since a 2 week break did not solve it. But, if true, I would prefer to see fewer planned QB runs into the pile in the middle.
If he does have a hand injury and inaccurate throws are likely, it explains why we are reluctant to hrow intermediate passes in the middle of the field for fear of interception. That throw 5 feet over the wide open receiver's head in the end zone tells me something definitely is wrong. I disagree with eliminating this part of your offense by not trying a backup QB for a series or two if the hand injury is true. Pyron showed he can win games in 2022 and should be improved. The offense we are playing now can win games against teams like Duke and UNC but will not be successful against ND, Miami, and the leg humpers, IMPO.
 
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STOCKTON ONE TARGET
16% of pass offense yards on 3 % targets by a 3rd team wr? IS he that good at getting open or are the TE that bad?
Think Clemson’s Hunter Renfrow. While the star WR’s cleared the field, Hunter ran short, precise routes and had great hands. Stockton could be a critical part of the offense before long.
 

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If he does have a hand injury and inaccurate throws are likely, it explains why we are reluctant to hrow intermediate passes in the middle of the field for fear of interception. That throw 5 feet over the wide open receiver's head in the end zone tells me something definitely is wrong. I disagree with eliminating this part of your offense by not trying a backup QB for a series or two if the hand injury is true. Pyron showed he can win games in 2022 and should be improved. The offense we are playing now can win games against teams like Duke and UNC but will not be successful against ND, Miami, and the leg humpers, IMPO.
Are you sure a backup (no disrespect to ours intended) can complete better than 74% of their passes, especially if they are expected to attempt higher-risk throws?

Granted, if King was hampered in the Duke game and we adjusted play-calling as a result, it could account for some of his high completion percentage. Bear in mind that some of his 8 misses were drops. As a counter that overthrow in the end zone, JH dropped a TD catch. There may have been other drops of catchable balls but I didn't check every throw. Had the throw to Haynes been caught, that would have left only 7 misses out of 31 attempts for an insane 78% completion rate.
 

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Are you sure a backup (no disrespect to ours intended) can complete better than 74% of their passes, especially if they are expected to attempt higher-risk throws?

Granted, if King was hampered in the Duke game and we adjusted play-calling as a result, it could account for some of his high completion percentage. Bear in mind that some of his 8 misses were drops. As a counter that overthrow in the end zone, JH dropped a TD catch. There may have been other drops of catchable balls but I didn't check every throw. Had the throw to Haynes been caught, that would have left only 7 misses out of 31 attempts for an insane 78% completion rate.
His high completion rate is inflated due to the high number of screen passes he throws. All I am saying it is better to give your backup a chance to prove himself on the field of play if your QB has a serious injury if you want to compete against good teams. If you don't, you will never have a decent backup QB, just like Scooter. Your opinion that an injured King is better than a healthy Pyron without giving Pyron a chance to prove himself on the field of play is silly, IMPO.
 
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Depends on your definition. We had a literal HoFer call plays for us for a decade just six years ago. The Collins years were dark, but we were used to scoring points prior to that for quite awhile. I’d say he’s smack in the middle of our play callers the last 25 years.

Ralph Fridge
Paul Johnson
Bill O’Brien
Buster Faulkner
Chip Long
Dave Pat
Patrick Nix
John Bond
Pat Nix is way too high. I would put him below the water boy and the any of the concession stand workers.
 

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His high completion rate is inflated due to the high number of screen passes he throws. All I am saying it is better to give your backup a chance to prove himself on the field of play if your QB has a serious injury if you want to compete against good teams. If you don't, you will never have a decent backup QB, just like Scooter. Your opinion that an injured King is better than a healthy Pyron without giving Pyron a chance to prove himself on the field of play is silly, IMPO.
I understand your point about developing backups. Best done in the context of low-risk game situations unless you have a really serious injury to King. There is no conclusive evidence of that in the Duke game. We've had only two games this year that otherwise allowed for backup reps - VMI and the second half of the GSU game. Pyron and Philo had significant minutes in the VMI game (both going 3/5), but not so much in the GSU game which could have been a missed opportunity.

As most coaches like to say, we are going to play the guys that give us the best chance to win. In a close game or one where we are behind, do you sub out an impaired but still effective King to give someone else a chance to develop? That would be silly indeed.
 
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