Nate Cottrell...just a question, nothing bad

[smokey_wasp]

https://www.ajc.com/sports/college/...player-for-huge-play/tgNXWVGFYZwXP3yFGnI91L/#

Good article here that touches on some of the things brought up in this thread.

 

[tech_wreck47]

Can a mod let me know what I did wrong? I had a post removed from here. Just wondering for future reference what about my post broke rules?

 

[GCdaJuiceMan]

Can a mod let me know what I did wrong? I had a post removed from here. Just wondering for future reference what about my post broke rules?

Probably just got included in the cleanup.

Some posts fit into the "personal attacks" and other inappropriate post categories. I've recycled those posts and some of the responses (which were fine). You may not be able to see or get back to the original posts.

 

[wesgt123]

Y’all are exhausting

 

[ibeattetris]

Just thought I'd share:

Nathan is very solid.

He turned down the UT camp that he could have earned a UT offer at.

I feel like he was a good system fit, and then I really think Nate's leg injury affected his lateral ability. I thought he'd make a good slot receiver, but he's learning a new system and is competing against other really good athletes. He's a great student athlete, and I'm proud to have him as a Yellow Jacket. I was happy when he signed, and I'm still happy.

 

[Ibeeballin]

WARNING: You should turn the sound off for this clip! The lyrics in the background are extremely offensive. Apologies for that; the clip was so dispositive I had to use it. And now back to our regularly scheduled program:

You mean something like these?



Well, so much for lacking "… vision, burst, acceleration, and lateral quickness". He's got all of that. And, of course, your memory appears to be - shall we say? - selective. But, hey, you're right about Howard! Paul said it best: "He's a wrecking ball."

This video destroyed any potential argument you had

Look how it appears Nate is running around a hoopla hoop just to get field. This is the stiffness everyone is alluding to.

By comparison look at Lynch on the same play

He is not fighting to get up field

 

[slugboy]

Can a mod let me know what I did wrong? I had a post removed from here. Just wondering for future reference what about my post broke rules?

I you quote a post that gets recycled, the reply gets recycled too, because in includes the post that has to get recycled.

 

[tech_wreck47]

This video destroyed any potential argument you had

Look how it appears Nate is running around a hoopla hoop just to get field. This is the stiffness everyone is alluding to.

By comparison look at Lynch on the same play

He is not fighting to get up field

Same thing I said, glad you posted a video!

 

[takethepoints]

This video destroyed any potential argument you had

Look how it appears Nate is running around a hoopla hoop just to get field. This is the stiffness everyone is alluding to.

By comparison look at Lynch on the same play

He is not fighting to get up field

This really is difficult to believe from a former college player.

Look at where the defenders are on the two plays. If you do, you will see that defenders are going inside forcing Cottrell an outside path for the run. They read TaQuon, presumably as they had been coached to do. If he had tried to cut it up inside, he would have been stopped for no gain. So he went outside; it was the only path he had.

Now, look at Lynch's run. The defenders were moving to the outside and leave Lynch a path inside that is clear until he is 15 yards downfield. If he had gone outside, as C0ttrell did, he would have been stopped for no gain as well.

So, unlike what you are saying here, what the clips actually show is that both Cottrell and Lynch know how to read their blocks and the D in an outside veer.. And both runs are about 25 yards.

 

[RonJohn]

This really is difficult to believe from a former college player.

Look at where the defenders are on the two plays. If you do, you will see that defenders are going inside forcing Cottrell an outside path for the run. They read TaQuon, presumably as they had been coached to do. If he had tried to cut it up inside, he would have been stopped for no gain. So he went outside; it was the only path he had.

Now, look at Lynch's run. The defenders were moving to the outside and leave Lynch a path inside that is clear until he is 15 yards downfield. If he had gone outside, as C0ttrell did, he would have been stopped for no gain as well.

So, unlike what you are saying here, what the clips actually show is that both Cottrell and Lynch know how to read their blocks and the D in an outside veer.. And both runs are about 25 yards.

I can't speak for @Ibeeballin , but I didn't take his post as that way at all. He was pointing out that Lynch, when he decided to cut for whatever reason, cuts in one step. Cottrell, when he decided to cut for whatever reason, took several steps. Lynch could cut better than Cottrell. I don't think that is a negative statement, it is just a factual observation. I believe Cottrell's top speed was faster than Lynch's. That isn't a negative statement, just a factual observation.

When discussing player's abilities, too often people say things negatively. In this case, I think you are taking it too negatively. Cottrell has some very good abilities. Put him in a fly route against defenders who are looking forward and he is very dangerous. Pitch the ball to him going North-South and he is very dangerous. I don't take this kind of a discussion as what a player can't do. I take it as more of a discussion about what they can do and what position they should be put in to maximize the talents that they have.

 

[tech_wreck47]

This really is difficult to believe from a former college player.

Look at where the defenders are on the two plays. If you do, you will see that defenders are going inside forcing Cottrell an outside path for the run. They read TaQuon, presumably as they had been coached to do. If he had tried to cut it up inside, he would have been stopped for no gain. So he went outside; it was the only path he had.


Now, look at Lynch's run. The defenders were moving to the outside and leave Lynch a path inside that is clear until he is 15 yards downfield. If he had gone outside, as C0ttrell did, he would have been stopped for no gain as well.

So, unlike what you are saying here, what the clips actually show is that both Cottrell and Lynch know how to read their blocks and the D in an outside veer.. And both runs are about 25 yards.

He’s talking about once he got the ball, Lunch was able to put one foot in the ground and turn up field once he had the chance. Cottrell had the same opportunity once he got the ball and was outside but he still had to “round” his run off, he didn’t put that foot in the ground and turn up. Once again, if most everyone is disagreeing with you including an ex COLLEGE player don’t you think everyone else may just be right?

this isn’t a hit on Cottrell, he’s good at what he does, but if you are wondering why he doesn’t get the ball as much it’s because this offense isn’t set up best for him. The read option game calls for guys to be able to put a foot in the ground and go. It’s not as much of a “down hill” old school running game which is what Cottrell would be better at imo.

 

[Ibeeballin]

He’s talking about once he got the ball, Lunch was able to put one foot in the ground and turn up field once he had the chance. Cottrell had the same opportunity once he got the ball and was outside but he still had to “round” his run off, he didn’t put that foot in the ground and turn up. Once again, if most everyone is disagreeing with you including an ex COLLEGE player don’t you think everyone else may just be right?

this isn’t a hit on Cottrell, he’s good at what he does, but if you are wondering why he doesn’t get the ball as much it’s because this offense isn’t set up best for him. The read option game calls for guys to be able to put a foot in the ground and go. It’s not as much of a “down hill” old school running game which is what Cottrell would be better at imo.

This here.

 

[Madison Grant]

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That run down the sideline where he had a tippy-toe out of bounds against Miami was nasty. Can't wait to see more of that.

 

[Kolbigriffin3]

That run down the sideline where he had a tippy-toe out of bounds against Miami was nasty. Can't wait to see more of that.

Oh I can’t wait either!! It’s coming!!!

 

[gthxxxx]

He’s talking about once he got the ball, Lunch was able to put one foot in the ground and turn up field once he had the chance. Cottrell had the same opportunity once he got the ball and was outside but he still had to “round” his run off, he didn’t put that foot in the ground and turn up. Once again, if most everyone is disagreeing with you including an ex COLLEGE player don’t you think everyone else may just be right?

this isn’t a hit on Cottrell, he’s good at what he does, but if you are wondering why he doesn’t get the ball as much it’s because this offense isn’t set up best for him. The read option game calls for guys to be able to put a foot in the ground and go. It’s not as much of a “down hill” old school running game which is what Cottrell would be better at imo.

Too much is being inferred from those two videos. @takethepoints made a good point about how the defenders at the next level are forcing outside in one and inside in the other. Another key difference is the initial running angle of the pitch receiver while moving along with the QB that is forced by the defenders at the LOS and where the pitch receiver starts in relation to the QB. In the first video, the two are running laterally alongside the line for a good bit to escape the defenders (Cottrell also had more ground to cover in order to get to that pitching position) and therefore Cottrell ran the "hoopla hoop" that @Ibeeballin mentioned to preserve a lot of built-up momentum. A cut would not only lose that momentum but would risk running into the pursuing defenders. In the second video, the ball was pitched earlier without the extensive initial lateral run, so Lynch didn't have the built up momentum and therefore made the cut and then accelerated.

Long story short, while both videos contain a pitch play, the actual situations from start to end are significantly different.

 

[dressedcheeseside]

Too much is being inferred from those two videos. @takethepoints made a good point about how the defenders at the next level are forcing outside in one and inside in the other. Another key difference is the initial running angle of the pitch receiver while moving along with the QB that is forced by the defenders at the LOS and where the pitch receiver starts in relation to the QB. In the first video, the two are running laterally alongside the line for a good bit to escape the defenders (Cottrell also had more ground to cover in order to get to that pitching position) and therefore Cottrell ran the "hoopla hoop" that @Ibeeballin mentioned to preserve a lot of built-up momentum. A cut would not only lose that momentum but would risk running into the pursuing defenders. In the second video, the ball was pitched earlier without the extensive initial lateral run, so Lynch didn't have the built up momentum and therefore made the cut and then accelerated.

Long story short, while both videos contain a pitch play, the actual situations from start to end are significantly different.

This and the mere fact that any scientist will tell you it’s silly drawing conclusions from a single sample.

 

[Ibeeballin]

This and the mere fact that any scientist will tell you it’s silly drawing conclusions from a single sample.

Well, one sample was given bc majority knew exactly what I’m referring to as Cottrell is not the most fluid runner.

If Start and stop acceleration is bad @gthxxxx for RB then they need to get rid drills like the short shuttle.

 

[tech_wreck47]

Too much is being inferred from those two videos. @takethepoints made a good point about how the defenders at the next level are forcing outside in one and inside in the other. Another key difference is the initial running angle of the pitch receiver while moving along with the QB that is forced by the defenders at the LOS and where the pitch receiver starts in relation to the QB. In the first video, the two are running laterally alongside the line for a good bit to escape the defenders (Cottrell also had more ground to cover in order to get to that pitching position) and therefore Cottrell ran the "hoopla hoop" that @Ibeeballin mentioned to preserve a lot of built-up momentum. A cut would not only lose that momentum but would risk running into the pursuing defenders. In the second video, the ball was pitched earlier without the extensive initial lateral run, so Lynch didn't have the built up momentum and therefore made the cut and then accelerated.

Long story short, while both videos contain a pitch play, the actual situations from start to end are significantly different.

I think y’all are missing the point of the videos. You actually kinda alluded to it though. You said Cottrell rounded it off because he would have lost momentum by putting a foot in the ground, which is correct. However, that’s not correct for all runners, and that’s the point @Ibeeballin and others are making . Lynch can put his foot in the ground and turn up field, something that’s not in Cottrell's game (nothing wrong with that). Cottrell had a chance to put a foot in the ground right at the numbers, but he had to round it off a decent bit outside of the numbers. He even comes really close to his blocker on the outside and then runs a little more inside to get back down the running lane he could have been in if he would have been able to put a foot in the ground.

 

[gthxxxx]

Well, one sample was given bc majority knew exactly what I’m referring to as Cottrell is not the most fluid runner.

If Start and stop acceleration is bad @gthxxxx for RB then they need to get rid drills like the short shuttle.

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I think y’all are missing the point of the videos. You actually kinda alluded to it though. You said Cottrell rounded it off because he would have lost momentum by putting a foot in the ground, which is correct. However, that’s not correct for all runners, and that’s the point @Ibeeballin and others are making . Lynch can put his foot in the ground and turn up field, something that’s not in Cottrell's game (nothing wrong with that). Cottrell had a chance to put a foot in the ground right at the numbers, but he had to round it off a decent bit outside of the numbers. He even comes really close to his blocker on the outside and then runs a little more inside to get back down the running lane he could have been in if he would have been able to put a foot in the ground.

... it's basic physics that a sharp cut would lose built up momentum for any moving object when changing trajectory. It's only a "decent bit" based off of 20/20 hindsight due to the cut block that brought the pursuing defender down (almost didn't) and as you mentioned, Cottrell made minor adjustments along his run as he navigated with what he believed to be a safe margin through a changing path allowed by the blockers/defenders. The camera angle of the first video also doesn't allow us to see the full field of vision beyond the immediate level of defenders as Cottrell makes his run.

In the end, I'm not even making any statement comparing Lynch or Cottrell's ability to cut. I'm saying these two videos are two completely different situations where it's silly to conclude that Cottrell was even attempting to cut. I further make the argument that it's highly probable performing a cut in Cottrell's video given what's shown would be the wrong move.

 

[tech_wreck47]

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... it's basic physics that a sharp cut would lose built up momentum for any moving object when changing trajectory. It's only a "decent bit" based off of 20/20 hindsight due to the cut block that brought the pursuing defender down (almost didn't) and as you mentioned, Cottrell made minor adjustments along his run as he navigated with what he believed to be a safe margin through a changing path allowed by the blockers/defenders. The camera angle of the first video also doesn't allow us to see the full field of vision beyond the immediate level of defenders as Cottrell makes his run.

In the end, I'm not even making any statement comparing Lynch or Cottrell's ability to cut. I'm saying these two videos are two completely different situations where it's silly to conclude that Cottrell was even attempting to cut. I further make the argument that it's highly probable performing a cut in Cottrell's video given what's shown would be the wrong move.

I guess we are arguing two different things. The point of ibeeballins post was not about the play being exactly the same but was to show how Lynch was able to put is foot in the ground without losing much if any momentum at all and how Cottrell rounded his run off when he had the same opportunity to put his foot in the ground. I do disagree that you would lose to much momentum by planting and turning up field, it’s all done in one motion and in stride when someone is able to do it, and there is no force against them. And that’s the point.

the main point of this thread was to see why Cottrell is not getting the ball more. The point of the video was to show he doesn’t put his foot in the ground and turn up and he doesn’t have lateral quickness. Dude is fast as all get out, and is good at what he does. This system however is not the best system for him. As a RB you need to put your foot in the ground and turn up field on stretch zone plays, you need to have kinda that false step when you get the ball and your reading your blockers etc. that’s one reason Mason has done so well, when he gets the ball behind the LOS he’s able to have that little false step or whatever you want to call it before he takes off and makes a cut.

regardless I’m glad Cottrell is on the team, and he brings a good bit of value to the team.