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[tech_wreck47]

Both can, and are, issues. We can fix one only in the long term. We can fix one now though.

But you have no proof of CPJ being an issue, if you will admit that the resources is a big issue, how is it fair to judge CPJ knowing that and to do so accurately? I’m not saying CPJ couldn’t be an issue, but we just have no facts to back it up. We know that the resources are an issue. I’d actually say that there is more proof to CPJ not being and issue than there is proof of him being an issue. You don’t forget how to coach, and for him to have the success he’s had and then things just start falling apart, imo there is something causing the fall and it’s not the one who’s been a very good coach forgetting how to coach. Imo it’s the pattern of resources not changing while other programs continue to grow, that’s literally the only consistent thing I see.

 

[RamblinWreck92]

Hey, nothing to apologize about, I’m fine having a conversation like we were having. As long as there is no bashing I’m good lol, it’s just all opinions at the end of the day. This is how I see it personally, I’m sick and tired of what we have been seeing as of lately. Many on here want to say CPJ isn’t a good coach or this or that, and that is the reason I made this is, to show he’s done more at GT than most other programs. Someone who can have the good seasons like he has had is not a bad coach. Imo the issue as of lately is that the resources for GT has been stagnant (until T Stan) while others have been growing. Basically I think the issue goes beyond CPJ and it is just now getting fixed. It’s about recruiting at the end of the day and CPJ has shown he can get things done when he’s got good talent on the field, we just need to get good talent on the field consistently and imo that is just now about to start taking place with the last two classes and T Stan helping grow the program.

//shakes hands - you're a gentleman, sir. Good night!

 

[tech_wreck47]

schools with far less resources than ours have far better kickers and throw, block & tackle better. No argument about TM. That he's the best QB CPJ could recruit after the end of the awesome 2014 season is itself telling. No argument on the service academies either. Some fans who like our scheme point to the service academies as proof that it can work but I agree with you - it 'works' there largely due to inferior competition.

I agree teams definitely tackle better, something a ex player on here has said is that the prior coaching staff taught tackling just wrong, hopefully it gets better though. I’ll also add the offense isn’t the issue even in some bad seasons we have still been top 25 in efficiency. As for kicking, that’s one of the most unpredictable positions especially with guys kicking off a block in high school. There are some factory schools that don’t have guys who can kick a field goal very good.

 

[lv20gt]

But you have no proof of CPJ being an issue, if you will admit that the resources is a big issue, how is it fair to judge CPJ knowing that and to do so accurately? I’m not saying CPJ couldn’t be an issue, but we just have no facts to back it up. We know that the resources are an issue. I’d actually say that there is more proof to CPJ not being and issue than there is proof of him being an issue. You don’t forget how to coach, and for him to have the success he’s had and then things just start falling apart, imo there is something causing the fall and it’s not the one who’s been a very good coach forgetting how to coach. Imo it’s the pattern of resources not changing while other programs continue to grow, that’s literally the only consistent thing I see.

It is obvious at this point that you will put literally nothing on Johnson. We could lose every game and it won't be on him. If his teams have terrible defenses for 10 years it's not him. If his special teams suck for most of 10 years it isn't on him. Poor passing mechanics, inconsistent blocking, and inability to make the plays or play calls needed at end of games. None of that on him. If the defense sucks, fire the DC, because somehow all those resource problems only have an impact on the OC, I mean HC, and not the DC. If the team as a whole struggles, it must be because of the president/AD/Board/hill/whatever. You say you don't forget how to coach, but the fact is football is an ever evolving game. The landscape of today isn't nearly the same as it was in the late 90s early 00s. So yeah, maybe he hasn't forgot how to coach. Maybe he just still knows how to coach as if it's 1999 at the FCS level, and never knew how to coach like it is 2018 at the ACC level.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

no one outside us GT fans remembers 2014, due to how quickly we killed momentum in 2015. Same as in 2010. CPJ hasn't been able to sustain greatness here, another problem he's had. Now the trend is downward and 2008-09 are distant memories that only we fans recall. These memories are nice but aren't helping us recruit nor win.

I get that "Pepperidge Farm remembers" but it's not helping us win games today.

I get it - CPJ did well with Gailey's players and again in 2014 but for at least half of these '10 years', it's been losing seasons, missed bowls, or Gaileyesque 0.500 seasons.

It’s our responsibility to remind others. But many of us are too big complaining about ourselves.

 

[tech_wreck47]

It is obvious at this point that you will put literally nothing on Johnson. We could lose every game and it won't be on him. If his teams have terrible defenses for 10 years it's not him. If his special teams suck for most of 10 years it isn't on him. Poor passing mechanics, inconsistent blocking, and inability to make the plays or play calls needed at end of games. None of that on him. If the defense sucks, fire the DC, because somehow all those resource problems only have an impact on the OC, I mean HC, and not the DC. If the team as a whole struggles, it must be because of the president/AD/Board/hill/whatever. You say you don't forget how to coach, but the fact is football is an ever evolving game. The landscape of today isn't nearly the same as it was in the late 90s early 00s. So yeah, maybe he hasn't forgot how to coach. Maybe he just still knows how to coach as if it's 1999 at the FCS level, and never knew how to coach like it is 2018 at the ACC level.

You obviously have not read all my post, I’ve many many times said that the blame falls on him but not all, my point is if someone is not given even close to what his competitors are, it’s hard for me to say get rid of him when he’s proven he’s a good coach, if he didn’t have the track record he had I would not be saying this. I’ll also add football hasn’t really changed since 2014 but he knew how to coach and call plays then. Like I said, it’s all about talent. Me making my comments isn’t about defending CPJ (to an extent it is) but it’s about showing that a lot of the comments made on this board are based on feelings and not facts. I also like how you ignored my question completely. BTW how do you want CPJ to evolve? His offense has been perfectly fine, what do you want him to change? Without resources would change really matter much?

 

[RamblinWreck92]

It’s our responsibility to remind others. But many of us are too big complaining about ourselves.

Hell, I don't remember who won the natty in 2014! Or 2009. Without looking it up, do you?

 

[RamblinWreck92]

You obviously have not read all my post, I’ve many many times said that the blame falls on him but not all, my point is if someone is not given even close to what his competitors are, it’s hard for me to say get rid of him when he’s proven he’s a good coach, if he didn’t have the track record he had I would not be saying this. I’ll also add football hasn’t really changed since 2014 but he knew how to coach and call plays then. Like I said, it’s all about talent. Me making my comments isn’t about defending CPJ (to an extent it is) but it’s about showing that a lot of the comments made on this board are based on feelings and not facts. I also like how you ignored my question completely. BTW how do you want CPJ to evolve? His offense has been perfectly fine, what do you want him to change? Without resources would change really matter much?

Sorry but 0 pts against PITT the first half is not 'perfectly fine'. 0 pts in the 4th against crappy USF when we needed to put that game away isn't 'perfectly fine'. Completely stalling against the mutts and Clemson in 2017 isn't 'perfectly fine'. Shutout in the entire 2nd half of an embarrassing 2017 Duke blowout isn't 'perfectly fine'. The embarrassing length of time it took us to score a meaningless TD at the end vs PITT when we needed to hurry-up and score quickly isn't 'perfectly fine'.

The 2014 offense was as close to 'perfectly fine' as you can get. But 2017 and this year's version have a lot of issues. Pedo St. put up 50+ just 6 days before we got shutout in 15 mins vs PITT. This offense is no longer a given IMO.

I'd agree that it's usually adequate to win 6-7 games though. I'd agree that it's better than our defense and ST. But a team that's 1-3 needs to look at all 3 phases critically.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Hell, I don't remember who won the natty in 2014! Or 2009. Without looking it up, do you?

That run heavy high school option offense team that never passes won in 2014

 

[RamblinWreck92]

That run heavy high school option offense team that never passes won in 2014

Ohio St threw for almost 250 and ran for almost 300 in the 2015 BCS title game. The previous year had a QB who threw it for almost 250 yards to win it. Guy named Winston, who likes crab legs.

Our high school option pass-hating offense hasn't won a natty since the 70s, I think. And will never sniff one under CPJ.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Ohio St threw for almost 250 and ran for almost 300 in the 2015 BCS title game. The previous year had a QB who threw it for almost 250 yards to win it. Guy named Winston, who likes crab legs.

Our high school option pass-hating offense hasn't won a natty since the 70s, I think. And will never sniff one under CPJ.

In the 2014 title game, Auburn had 14 completions and 55 rushing attempts. They had 450 yards of offense to 385 for FSU. They were winning until 15 seconds left in the game.

 

[Jacket in Dairyland]

Sorry but 0 pts against PITT the first half is not 'perfectly fine'. 0 pts in the 4th against crappy USF when we needed to put that game away isn't 'perfectly fine'. Completely stalling against the mutts and Clemson in 2017 isn't 'perfectly fine'. Shutout in the entire 2nd half of an embarrassing 2017 Duke blowout isn't 'perfectly fine'. The embarrassing length of time it took us to score a meaningless TD at the end vs PITT when we needed to hurry-up and score quickly isn't 'perfectly fine'.

The 2014 offense was as close to 'perfectly fine' as you can get. But 2017 and this year's version have a lot of issues. Pedo St. put up 50+ just 6 days before we got shutout in 15 mins vs PITT. This offense is no longer a given IMO.

I'd agree that it's usually adequate to win 6-7 games though. I'd agree that it's better than our defense and ST. But a team that's 1-3 needs to look at all 3 phases critically.

Completely agree. We don't /can't finish the drives like we used to. Defenses adapting ?? And we don't even get field goals because the kickers are inconsistent at this point.

 

[MikeJackets1967]

Ohio St threw for almost 250 and ran for almost 300 in the 2015 BCS title game. The previous year had a QB who threw it for almost 250 yards to win it. Guy named Winston, who likes crab legs.

Our high school option pass-hating offense hasn't won a natty since the 70s, I think. And will never sniff one under CPJ.

Oklahoma won a national championship with the wishbone in 1985

 

[RamblinWreck92]

In the 2014 title game, Auburn had 14 completions and 55 rushing attempts. They had 450 yards of offense to 385 for FSU. They were winning until 15 seconds left in the game.

They also threw it 27 times, which you kinda left out. We haven't attempted 27 passes in a game in the last 10 years.

 

[Jacket in Dairyland]

Oklahoma won a national championship with the wishbone in 1985

True. But that was over 30 years ago. Just sayin'........

 

[RamblinWreck92]

Oklahoma won a national championship with the wishbone in 1985

OK, OK - "in the last 30 years".

 

[MikeJackets1967]

OK, OK - "in the last 30 years".

 

[Deleted member 2897]

They also threw it 27 times, which you kinda left out. We haven't attempted 27 passes in a game in the last 10 years.

If you include the pass attempts, they still ran the ball 70% of the time. And that was also what their stats were across the entire season - 70% runs.

 

[RamblinWreck92]

If you include the pass attempts, they still ran the ball 70% of the time. And that was also what their stats were across the entire season - 70% runs.

And they lost.

That Auburn team had over 2000 yards passing. No CPJ team has had more than about 1800, including the 2014 squad. That Auburn team also ran at least one play out of the shotgun formation, something we don't even have in our playbook.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

And they lost.

That Auburn team had over 2000 yards passing. No CPJ team has had more than about 1800, including the 2014 squad.

My bad, I was looking at the wrong year. In 2013 (thats when they played in the January 2014 title game) they ran the ball 82% of the time (170 pass attempts, 740 rushing attempts).

They went 12-2, with losses @ #6 LSU and in the title game against #1 FSU. They beat 5 other highly ranked teams that year including the then #1 Alabama.

Damned high school offenses...