Is college football near the end as we know it.

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I think this opinion is ridiculous. Please give one legitimate reason as to why they should not be paid. I'll wait.

Similarly, I think your opinion is ridiculous. Why should the football players be paid and the others not be paid? Another reason is that they are already being paid in the form of scholarships worth tens of thousands of dollars. Are they amateurs or professionals?
 

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If you mean they would continue to funnel money under the table - yes, I think that would continue. My point goes more toward the net increase in the number of, and the amount of money players get paid due to this new law. I don't hear stories about non-5-star kids getting cars or cash. There only 50 or so of these players each year. Do you think this law will mean 3- and 4-star players will be endorsing products or selling their likeness (honest question) ?
Sure...once the 5 stars are off the table there will still be a market for 4 stars. Some schools are going to do whatever to compete.
 

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Similarly, I think your opinion is ridiculous. Why should the football players be paid and the others not be paid? Another reason is that they are already being paid in the form of scholarships worth tens of thousands of dollars. Are they amateurs or professionals?
They probably should be but in a free market they gotta find somebody willing to pay for it.
 

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They probably should be but in a free market they gotta find somebody willing to pay for it.

The factories will be more than willing to pay for it which is fine but they should be declared professionals and have done with it. In which case, the college football world would be headed for a schism of historic proportions with the academic schools on one side and the semi pros on the other. For some it will be a time for choosing. At one time, I would have ridiculed the thought of this actually happening. Now I am not so sure.
 

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The factories will be more than willing to pay for it which is fine but they should be declared professionals and have done with it. In which case, the college football world would be headed for a schism of historic proportions with the academic schools on one side and the semi pros on the other. For some it will be a time for choosing. At one time, I would have ridiculed the thought of this actually happening. Now I am not so sure.
I think it is where we are going. I think 40 or so schools are going to form a college sports league separate from everyone else. We won't be one of them but it may turn out we like the factories being removed. We shall see.
 

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Here's an idea... If they get compensation to play the game, then they should be required to pay for their college education. If they voluntarily choose to forgo compensation, then they will get a scholarship which will cover the cost of their education...

If the money they (the student athletes) are receiving is coming from 3rd parties, and not the schools/athletic associations, wouldn’t the athletic associations have to then track which individuals are getting paid, by who, and how much compensation they are getting? Wouldn’t this create a whole other ball of wax for the AAs to have to deal with...i.e, more labor and costs?
 

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Honestly, the current system hurts GT as well. Go to our basketball forum and read how bluebloods are getting away with paying players, housing their parents, and lord knows what else...all the while our bball team gets a postseason ban for taking a recruit to a strip club and a few hundred dollars. It's absolutely insane the whipping boy GT has become.
I agree. I think Tech has become a favorite NCAA target for two reasons. First, we don't have a huge fan base and we haven't attracted major tv exposure since 2014. They aren't afraid of the consequences of hitting Tech, iow. Second - and I think this is probably more important - we are honest about violations and we police our fans well enough to make the kind of easily concealed practices you mention difficult to pull off. Well, that makes everything easier, now doesn't it? Might as well hit the program where they admit the offenses and don't try to cover for their fans.

And, yes, I do think that if the states begin to get on the California bandwagon - and when have they not? - the NCAA won't be in a position to punish anybody.And, yes, you can almost hear the unintended consequences bubbling up under the feet of college athletics.
 

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More and more folks seem to be warming up to socialist ideas (not me) so maybe if the player earns money from his likeness then he has to split it with his teammates. I think I’ve heard this called “redistributing the wealth”. Sounds fair. Why should an offensive lineman not make any money while the guy he’s blocking for make all of it? [emoji41] It would effectively neuter the California law and prevent some of the play-for-pay problems that have been mentioned here.




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Similarly, I think your opinion is ridiculous. Why should the football players be paid and the others not be paid? Another reason is that they are already being paid in the form of scholarships worth tens of thousands of dollars. Are they amateurs or professionals?
This will definitely change the power of the NCAA to enforce anything.
 

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There will likely be massive lawsuits with the NCAA on one side and a group of pretty powerful Universities on the other side. Im sure the NCAA is going to want to avoid this.
From what I have read the Universities in CA lobbied against the law and were ignored. It appears that the politicians and some famous athletes that think their opinions are more important than everyone else that pushed this.
 

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From what I have read the Universities in CA lobbied against the law and were ignored. It appears that the politicians and some famous athletes that think their opinions are more important than everyone else that pushed this.
They may not have been for it in the first place but if the NCAA is going to make a decision that pretty much kills the athletic programs at all California based Universities, particularly Stanford, USC, and UCLA, and costs them hundreds of millions of dollars they will obviosuly have no choice but to fight it. I honestly don't see any other outcome to this other than the NCAA changing their rules on player compensation, or ceasing to exist. There is no way they can win this fight.
 

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They may not have been for it in the first place but if the NCAA is going to make a decision that pretty much kills the athletic programs at all California based Universities, particularly Stanford, USC, and UCLA, and costs them hundreds of millions of dollars they will obviosuly have no choice but to fight it. I honestly don't see any other outcome to this other than the NCAA changing their rules on player compensation, or ceasing to exist. There is no way they can win this fight.

Does that mean we can blame California for killing college football? (Insert smiley face here)

This is a slippery slope that in my opinion is not going to end well.
 

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Well isn’t the workaround there to allow the players to be eligible to sign their own endorsements/get paid for their own likeness? That way the money isn’t coming from the athletic associations/schools, and it’s driven by popularity/performance of the individual player.

But don't you feel that Bama and UGA would see that virtually all their players would get some kind of DEAL?
 

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Ok, so we can establish that as true. So how does this help Alabama? They can't pay the player. The player has to be marketable and get his own endorsement deals, etc.

Also, this notion that it will help blue blood schools seems weird to me as well. The same schools compete for the national championship every year right now... It's barely changed in the last 20 years in what is now the current "modern era", which starts in 2000. I think I saw an article that said it's the same 6-8 schools every single year.

I guess I am getting in late on this thread and this may have already been pointed out. But do you really think that the Bama's, UGAs, Ohio States, Michigan's, and Notre Dame's, etc. etc. cannot find an avid alum who could get a very lucrative endorsement deal to virtually every player on their rosters?
 

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I think it is where we are going. I think 40 or so schools are going to form a college sports league separate from everyone else. We won't be one of them but it may turn out we like the factories being removed. We shall see.
In the interest of making the lines clearer, can we also create a separate major dedicated to that sport of interest? Actually, how about we just separate the sports league from college and form a minor league? College sports can return to being intramurals. Then, we wait another several decades before this situation starts up all over again.

[Edit: I just realized I'm slow to the take, and the above has pretty much been hashed over already.]
 
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I guess I am getting in late on this thread and this may have already been pointed out. But do you really think that the Bama's, UGAs, Ohio States, Michigan's, and Notre Dame's, etc. etc. cannot find an avid alum who could get a very lucrative endorsement deal to virtually every player on their rosters?

Yes, but that doesn't necessarily provide a competitive advantage for ND. You only want to pay someone that can move the needle on the W/L record. At some point the bidding between school boosters would hit a ceiling on any 1 player and the losing school would move on to the next player available. It would be similar to a free agency system. the issue, as has been pointed out already, is there is no salary cap and no single entity providing the money.

I think its impact on NCAAFB would be greater in the locker room. If QB gets a big deal and doesn't buy the OL or WR a nice watch to show gratitude, there could be a lot of trouble. Said watch would be a permissible benefit, assuming the OL and WR can get an endorsement deal from the QB. Does the law prevent players from paying each other? This only slightly TIC.
 
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