Implications of GT being relevant in recruiting

[Whiskey_Clear]

The difference being you go to a school like UGA if the NFL is your primary goal, because you can coast through....not at Tech. Tech recruits are going to have to see school as a priority...which means degree major is a primary factor.

The current staff seems to think their players need to view academics as a priority so I’m not sure why some fans seem to be taking offense at the notion. Aren’t we all supposed to agree with the new staff now?

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

It’s naive to assume Georgia tech doesn’t do that at all

Well the messaging of the current staff indicates you are most likely wrong.

 

[smathis30]

Well the messaging of the current staff indicates you are most likely wrong.

You can boast about academics and the chance to make the NFL. They aren’t mutually exclusive. It’s how they are marketed. Not in a you won’t make the NFL as a 1.9% chance that college athletes make it so get a useful degree for that 40 year plan. It’s more of a you’re talented enough to play at a power 5 school, might as well go to a good school for life after the NFL. In the modern world of social media and instant gratification, whether you like it or not, boasting about development and chances there is important. Academics is a great selling point, but in a day and age where 5* are more likely to make the NFL then not, and 23% of 4* do (and that doubles for multi year starters who don’t transfer or change positions) you have to hit that angle to get that talent. You can advertise both, you just have to know what they want to be sold on. Academics sells the parents, but 2 years in the NFL beats 20 in a 9-5. No one is taking offense to academics being important, just people blinded by techs inability to send people to the NFL at the regular P5 rate thinking its impossible for Tech to do so can’t somehow be done. It can. Based off how many times they have said NFL style offense, it’s safe to say that’s it’s a priority too, wouldn’t you think?

 

[Animal02]

Well the messaging of the current staff indicates you are most likely wrong.

I though TStan said the direction was to develop players, not chase after the 5*? Now we have posters saying the opposite. I sure wish these 3O haters could decide whether they agree with the new staff or not.

 

[dressedcheeseside]

You can boast about academics and the chance to make the NFL. They aren’t mutually exclusive. It’s how they are marketed. Not in a you won’t make the NFL as a 1.9% chance that college athletes make it so get a useful degree for that 40 year plan. It’s more of a you’re talented enough to play at a power 5 school, might as well go to a good school for life after the NFL. In the modern world of social media and instant gratification, whether you like it or not, boasting about development and chances there is important. Academics is a great selling point, but in a day and age where 5* are more likely to make the NFL then not, and 23% of 4* do (and that doubles for multi year starters who don’t transfer or change positions) you have to hit that angle to get that talent. You can advertise both, you just have to know what they want to be sold on. Academics sells the parents, but 2 years in the NFL beats 20 in a 9-5. No one is taking offense to academics being important, just people blinded by techs inability to send people to the NFL at the regular P5 rate thinking its impossible for Tech to do so can’t somehow be done. It can. Based off how many times they have said NFL style offense, it’s safe to say that’s it’s a priority too, wouldn’t you think?

If that "NFL style" offense doesn't win games, it doesn't matter how many times you say it. I agree that the messaging seems on point, though, especially if we are targeting "elite" recruits. But there are plenty of under the radar guys who play elite in college. The trick is finding them. The good news is once you find them they are easier to sign. Sometimes they're right under your nose and it's a real head scratcher why they were passed over by others. Yates is a prime example.

 

[Lawyer mark]

Lets embrace the negative recruiting and put a calculus sticker on helmets for players that have passed calculus. Show on tv our guys get an education...

 

[RickStromFan]

so this thread has one side speculating on what Coach Collins is saying to recruits and the other side speculating on what factory coaches are telling their recruits.
Unless someone's got a recording of what all these coaches actually tell recruits, this whole thing is a big ol' "I think this is what he says" vs "No, you're wrong - I think this is what the other guy says".

 

[Animal02]

If that "NFL style" offense doesn't win games, it doesn't matter how many times you say it. I agree that the messaging seems on point, though, especially if we are targeting "elite" recruits. But there are plenty of under the radar guys who play elite in college. The trick is finding them. The good news is once you find them they are easier to sign. Sometimes they're right under your nose and it's a real head scratcher why they were passed over by others. Yates is a prime example.

Recruiting $$$ would be better spend finding the hidden gems than chasing 2% wanna bes

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

so this thread has one side speculating on what Coach Collins is saying to recruits and the other side speculating on what factory coaches are telling their recruits.
Unless someone's got a recording of what all these coaches actually tell recruits, this whole thing is a big ol' "I think this is what he says" vs "No, you're wrong - I think this is what the other guy says".

Are you suggesting CGC has a messaging problem with the fanbase? :0

 

[RickStromFan]

Are you suggesting CGC has a messaging problem with the fanbase? :0

No - I'm suggesting that the fanbase has no actual idea what coaches are saying to recruits.

 

[smokey_wasp]

No - I'm suggesting that the fanbase has no actual idea what coaches are saying to recruits.

Nor should we need to, really.

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

No - I'm suggesting that the fanbase has no actual idea what coaches are saying to recruits.

But, but, but.......how are we supposed to be on the same page then? consistent messaging and all. We wouldn’t want some poor recruit to come along here and get a mixed message would we? Boaty would be very upset.

Fanbase has to be relevant in recruiting on message boards since they don’t go to games much.

 

[bobongo]

Recruiting $$$ would be better spend finding the hidden gems than chasing 2% wanna bes

Probably true.

The wanna bes ought to keep a plan b in mind just on the off chance they don't make it, because maybe only half of the very highly rated ones do, at best. How do they know they won't get injured, for example. Even if they're hell on wheels, anyone can get hurt. Surely there are plenty of young men who aren't so short-sighted as to put all their eggs in one basket. We should sell them on the fact that at Tech they can get a great degree and get their shot at the NFL. I've never understood this idea that recruits think it's easier to make the NFL if they play for a football factory. It just isn't true. The only reason the factories put more in the NFL is that they have better talent to start with. If one has the talent, he can get his shot at Tech just as well as he can at a factory, and get a great degree to boot.

 

[dressedcheeseside]

Lets embrace the negative recruiting and put a calculus sticker on helmets for players that have passed calculus. Show on tv our guys get an education...

 

[smokey_wasp]

I though TStan said the direction was to develop players, not chase after the 5*? Now we have posters saying the opposite. I sure wish these 3O haters could decide whether they agree with the new staff or not.

It is both. It has always been both. You are creating a conflict that need not exist. We will chase 4/5 stars and develop our 3 stars.

 

[dressedcheeseside]

It is both. It has always been both. You are creating a conflict that need not exist. We will chase 4/5 stars and develop our 3 stars.

There's a give and take there. The more time you spend chasing the long shots the less time you have looking for, finding, courting and then signing hidden gems. The resource of time is finite. Contact hours is finite. This is where an army of analysts (non-coaches) would have been a nice addition. Would have been.

 

[Animal02]

Probably true.

The wanna bes ought to keep a plan b in mind just on the off chance they don't make it, because maybe only half of the very highly rated ones do, at best. How do they know they won't get injured, for example. Even if they're hell on wheels, anyone can get hurt. Surely there are plenty of young men who aren't so short-sighted as to put all their eggs in one basket. We should sell them on the fact that at Tech they can get a great degree and get their shot at the NFL. I've never understood this idea that recruits think it's easier to make the NFL if they play for a football factory. It just isn't true. The only reason the factories put more in the NFL is that they have better talent to start with. If one has the talent, he can get his shot at Tech just as well as he can at a factory, and get a great degree to boot.

The one factor that is different....IMO is that at the factories, it will be far easier to stay eligible.

 

[Animal02]

It is both. It has always been both. You are creating a conflict that need not exist. We will chase 4/5 stars and develop our 3 stars.

 

[smokey_wasp]

Why does that get an eye roll? It isn't a hard concept. We are trying to get more blue chip players, but the bulk of our classes will likely be high 3's most years. TStan has talked about both recruiting and player development. Remember in CGC's introductory press conference he said that he never wants to look out and see Tech overmatched before the game even starts. I dunno why you think it has to be either recruiting or development and not both.

 

[smokey_wasp]

There's a give and take there. The more time you spend chasing the long shots the less time you have looking for, finding, courting and then signing hidden gems. The resource of time is finite. Contact hours is finite. This is where an army of analysts (non-coaches) would have been a nice addition. Would have been.

The key is CGC is trying to make the longshots...not longshots. I know you don't believe he can, but he does.