GT vs Louisville

[YlJacket]

Okogie averages 18.4 per game overall and 17.6 in ACC conference games only.

I should have remembered him but was looking at the ESPN ACC stats and they don't include him. I assume he is filtered out by their "on track to play 75% of ACC games" restriction.

 

[RamblinRed]

If you are going to make snap decisions on whether a player is an ACC level player as a FR I suggest you go look at the bio's for most of the players on ND and UVA's rosters and look at their FR and sometime SO numbers and then their numbers as JR and SR.

Here's a few examples
http://www.und.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/matt_farrell_908417.html

http://www.und.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/john_mooney_1020308.html

http://www.und.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/martinas_geben_908418.html

http://www.und.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/temple_tj_gibbs_jr_1020307.html

http://www.und.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/rex_pflueger_972492.html

http://www.virginiasports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/mamadi_diakite_982334.html redshirted as FR

http://www.virginiasports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/devon_hall_849795.html redshirted as FR

http://www.virginiasports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/deandre_hunter_1014802.html redshirted as FR

http://www.virginiasports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/isaiah_wilkins_906563.html

http://www.virginiasports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/ty_jerome_1014801.html

http://www.virginiasports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/kyle_guy_1014830.html


Note how many of these guys are either redshirted as TR FR or play little (less than 10 mpg, avg 1-2 ppg), but how many of them become starters by their JR yr. That is the model GT is trying to copy.
Now you won't hit at 100%, no coach does, but hopefully they hit with a high percent. If they do in about 2 more years GT is going to be a good program.

I do remember Pastner after a game in December in his radio interview making the statement - 'When they are JR this is going to be a great class'. Hopefully he is correct.

 

[MWBATL]

It almost sound like some of these posters have forgotten how bad the Hewitt years were after that magical NCAA run......ever afterwards, we fielded very poor teams (forget the talent of individual players)....remember the CTO?

 

[LibertyTurns]

It almost sound like some of these posters have forgotten how bad the Hewitt years were after that magical NCAA run......ever afterwards, we fielded very poor teams (forget the talent of individual players)....remember the CTO?

Disgusting offenses. Anybody got a plunger?

 

[lv20gt]

It almost sound like some of these posters have forgotten how bad the Hewitt years were after that magical NCAA run......ever afterwards, we fielded very poor teams (forget the talent of individual players)....remember the CTO?

I think you mean gregory years. Hewitt was great in comparison. Even post 2004.

 

[LargeFO]

^ eh post 2004 both were awful. Hewitt had teams that couldn't even inbound the ball properly.

 

[lv20gt]

^ eh post 2004 both were awful. Hewitt had teams that couldn't even inbound the ball properly.

Both were bad. But Hewitt still made the NCAAT 3 times out of the 7 years post championship run while gregory never came close. Hewitt won 7 ACC games or more 4 times, something gregory did just once despite playing 2 more per year the last 4 years. Hewitt was bad in an inconsistent and could never get all the pieces kind of way. gregory was just bad in the you knew we weren't ever going to do anything with him since day 0 kind of way.

 

[jayparr]

If you are going to make snap decisions on whether a player is an ACC level player as a FR I suggest you go look at the bio's for most of the players on ND and UVA's rosters and look at their FR and sometime SO numbers and then their numbers as JR and SR.

Here's a few examples
http://www.und.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/matt_farrell_908417.html

http://www.und.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/john_mooney_1020308.html

http://www.und.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/martinas_geben_908418.html

http://www.und.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/temple_tj_gibbs_jr_1020307.html

http://www.und.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/rex_pflueger_972492.html

http://www.virginiasports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/mamadi_diakite_982334.html redshirted as FR

http://www.virginiasports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/devon_hall_849795.html redshirted as FR

http://www.virginiasports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/deandre_hunter_1014802.html redshirted as FR

http://www.virginiasports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/isaiah_wilkins_906563.html

http://www.virginiasports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/ty_jerome_1014801.html

http://www.virginiasports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/kyle_guy_1014830.html


Note how many of these guys are either redshirted as TR FR or play little (less than 10 mpg, avg 1-2 ppg), but how many of them become starters by their JR yr. That is the model GT is trying to copy.
Now you won't hit at 100%, no coach does, but hopefully they hit with a high percent. If they do in about 2 more years GT is going to be a good program.

I do remember Pastner after a game in December in his radio interview making the statement - 'When they are JR this is going to be a great class'. Hopefully he is correct.

My point is that the players that Tech has had in the past and other teams young players that come around later is that they are already way ahead of who we have, but they don't have to play much early in their careers because of the players ahead of them in the rotation.

 

[RamblinRed]

My point is that the players that Tech has had in the past and other teams young players that come around later is that they are already way ahead of who we have, but they don't have to play much early in their careers because of the players ahead of them in the rotation.

Sorry, that is not what you said or suggested. Here is your quote

'I would definitely not count on Cole or Wright to help much in the the future and for that matter Hayward either. These guys are not acc types; athletically or basketball IQ.'

You very clearly state that three of the FR are not ACC players now or in the future. That they lack ACC level athleticism or IQ.
You've already made a value judgement that they are not not and likely never will be ACC level players.
If you had said what is in your latest post I would agree with that thought in terms of Cole and Wright. Neither were brought in with the expectation that they would be ready to play in the ACC as FR. They are expected to be ready to play at an ACC level as JR.

 

[YlJacket]

Out of curiosity - is the expectation that Sjouland will be able to help next year or shouldn't expect that?

Overall I see next year as the final "gap" year. Just trying to figure out how big the gap is.

 

[jayparr]

Sorry, that is not what you said or suggested. Here is your quote

'I would definitely not count on Cole or Wright to help much in the the future and for that matter Hayward either. These guys are not acc types; athletically or basketball IQ.'

You very clearly state that three of the FR are not ACC players now or in the future. That they lack ACC level athleticism or IQ.
You've already made a value judgement that they are not not and likely never will be ACC level players.
If you had said what is in your latest post I would agree with that thought in terms of Cole and Wright. Neither were brought in with the expectation that they would be ready to play in the ACC as FR. They are expected to be ready to play at an ACC level as JR.

You are correct in that I did not state is that the 2 Cole and Wright do not have instincts nor BB IQ. They do not show me their reaction to a lot of the facets of the game. It is not a player just needing practice and then experience! This is something that will not come their way. Now as for Hayward (sp) he does have some skill, but his reaction is also slow in that he doesn't show much confidence in when to take advantage of when to do something. At this stage he should not be that indecisive! There is a difference in the 2. Awareness, instinct, and BBIQ is an athletes given gift!!!

 

[forensicbuzz]

You are correct in that I did not state is that the 2 Cole and Wright do not have instincts nor BB IQ. They do not show me their reaction to a lot of the facets of the game. It is not a player just needing practice and then experience! This is something that will not come their way. Now as for Hayward (sp) he does have some skill, but his reaction is also slow in that he doesn't show much confidence in when to take advantage of when to do something. At this stage he should not be that indecisive! There is a difference in the 2. Awareness, instinct, and BBIQ is an athletes given gift!!!

Wright is more athletic, Cole is more game-ready as freshmen. Neither are at a level to play against ACC competition yet. I think a couple of years will improve Wright's basketball knowledge and Cole will settle into his role, whatever that becomes. Haywood is playing exactly like a good but not elite freshman would be expected to play (when he was healthy). At first, Haywood was hesitant to take anything but a wide-open shot (as I would expect a freshman to do). He also struggled on defense. Once he gained some confidence, his whole game improved. Then he got hurt. We'll see next year.

I think all three have to potential to be ACC-caliber players. I think Haywood will become a starter and Wright could develop into one. Cole seems like another glue guy: a big body that can come off the bench and play the stretch-4. All three could turn out to be starters, and all three could be bench players. We'll have to wait and see. But I wouldn't rule any of them out based on what I've seen of them as a true freshman.

 

[alagold]

I didn't say it wasn't a bad year. I said it is unfair to say he hasn't earned his salary. Those are not the same things. If a coach is not working hard, then you can say they are not earning their salary, not if they are simply losing games with a team that is less talented than alot of teams they play.

On JP,
I'm getting tired of reading on NATIONAL Espn news "roll-across" about ANOTHER GT problem in bball.This about the RAPE charge made by that woman and the counter-suit.We obviously bought a LOT of garbage when we got Pastner no matter how you spin it.Having an asst coach taken out by NCAA is another huge black mark. Its seems like YEARS away from last yr and some positive effects.(when Ben goes 1-8 with 4 rebs and 3TOs/no assts in 32 min,a LOT is wrong)

 

[LargeFO]

It's Haywood, not Heyward.

Haywood.

 

[Peacone36]

It's Haywood, not Heyward.

Haywood.

After I made the mistake (and was corrected by his dad) on twitter I resorted to just calling him CGB

 

[YlJacket]

Wright is more athletic, Cole is more game-ready as freshmen. Neither are at a level to play against ACC competition yet. I think a couple of years will improve Wright's basketball knowledge and Cole will settle into his role, whatever that becomes. Haywood is playing exactly like a good but not elite freshman would be expected to play (when he was healthy). At first, Haywood was hesitant to take anything but a wide-open shot (as I would expect a freshman to do). He also struggled on defense. Once he gained some confidence, his whole game improved. Then he got hurt. We'll see next year.

I think all three have to potential to be ACC-caliber players. I think Haywood will become a starter and Wright could develop into one. Cole seems like another glue guy: a big body that can come off the bench and play the stretch-4. All three could turn out to be starters, and all three could be bench players. We'll have to wait and see. But I wouldn't rule any of them out based on what I've seen of them as a true freshman.

I agree with your view of them. I would add that Cole came in with the reputation as a shooter. Haven't seen it yet but i still hold out hope it shows up over the next couple of years. As you infer, Wright has a higher ceiling with better hops, athleticism and length - but has further to go.

Barring a grad transfer or a Lazareth act from Ogbondo, we will need 2 of Wright, Cole and Sjolund to be able to play at an ACC level next year to augment AD. Haywood and DeVoe have to be at an ACC level as well. Should be the last year we go into a year looking for newcomers to have to be major parts of the roster.

 

[forensicbuzz]

I agree with your view of them. I would add that Cole came in with the reputation as a shooter. Haven't seen it yet but i still hold out hope it shows up over the next couple of years. As you infer, Wright has a higher ceiling with better hops, athleticism and length - but has further to go.

Barring a grad transfer or a Lazareth act from Ogbondo, we will need 2 of Wright, Cole and Sjolund to be able to play at an ACC level next year to augment AD. Haywood and DeVoe have to be at an ACC level as well. Should be the last year we go into a year looking for newcomers to have to be major parts of the roster.

I am hopeful that Ves's issue this year was purely health-related and that the progress the coaches saw over last summer continues under Reveno and he comes out monster next year. Fingers crossed.