GT Miami Post Game

[roadkill]

I was thinking about it later and similarly I bet he was coached to take it out for this game. Key wanted to be aggressive in terms of taking risks but methodical in the offensive drives to eat clock. As you mentioned, Singleton taking it out does both. It is a risk to take it out but Singleton has the speed to bust it for a TD if the blocks are there. Then if not he likely has one more set of downs available in yardage to eat more clock.

This is silly logic. “Let’s give ourselves bad field position so we can play more keep away.” The primary objective is to score more points than your opponent. Bobby Dodd would be shaking his head in bewilderment.

Of the 3 drives we started after Singleton ran it to around the 15, 2 resulted in punts, and the one we scored on was only a 3-minute drive. The first punt gave Miami the ball back at their 33, resulting in a Miami score. Our two clock-eating drives that resulted in TDs both started from touchbacks.

 

[jgtengineer]

Unless King gets a career ending injury, he comes back. I don’t know what his NIL is, but a ‘regular’ job would be a pay cut.

I don’t see Pyron returning either. He has two years left and he may end up downtown.

I don't think pyrons future is at QB. His throwing motion hasn't been the same since he broke his wrong shoulder collar bone. However i do think he could put on some size and he a hell of an Taysom Hill type H back.

 

[1979jacket]

I don't have a problem with letting Singletary run kickoffs back. It didn't work yesterday and meant we started at 15 but he is a gamebreaker - be selective but keep doing it. Singletary will break one.

 

[LongforDodd]

That trap play JH ran for about 60 yards in our first possession was the same play he ran against UNC for the winning touchdown.

He scored on the same play, too.

 

[Jacket05]

So, somebody explain something to me. On the play where Liami was finally and mercifully called for targeting.

The initial foul was not a face mask but 'illegal hands to the face' - a 5yd penalty.

Did I hear that wrong? Seemed a clear and obvious face mask - 15yd penalty. At worst, it was 'hands to the face' and a face mask.

What gives? Or did I hear it wrong?

I am not sure if this has been addressed yet as I am still catching up. However, there was an illegal hands to the face on the defense on that play. It happened to also be the same player that had the uncalled facemask. If you go back and look at the play the defender is grabbing the bottom of the facemask with his right hand on our lineman pushing it upwards when he sees Cooley coming around his left side. He then reached back with his left hand and grabbed Cooley's face mask nearly pulling his helmet all the way off while still holding our lineman's facemask with his right hand.

On the targeting side, it looked like UM was being coached to lower their helmet and make the tackle head first. They CONSTANTLY ducked their heads making tackles. I am honestly surprised they don't have a ton of neck injuries on their team.

Edit: I now see @Root4GT addressed it.

 

[awbuzz]

Watch the post-game press conference. They ask about King and Key almost starts crying.

The emotions seen and heard if you're watching and listening carefully immediately after the game when asked about King, and then again during the press conference says a lot about how he feels about HK...
Personally, I appreciate seeing it.

 

[kg01]

I am not sure if this has been addressed yet as I am still catching up. However, there was an illegal hands to the face on the defense on that play. It happened to also be the same player that had the uncalled facemask. If you go back and look at the play the defender is grabbing the bottom of the facemask with his right hand on our lineman pushing it upwards when he sees Cooley coming around his left side. He then reached back with his left hand and grabbed Cooley's face mask nearly pulling his helmet all the way off while still holding our lineman's facemask with his right hand.

On the targeting side, it looked like UM was being coached to lower their helmet and make the tackle head first. They CONSTANTLY ducked their heads making tackles. I am honestly surprised they don't have a ton of neck injuries on their team.

Edit: I now see @Root4GT addressed it.

Yeah several people chimed in to correct me. I thanked them all and I feel enlightened. Still, I refuse to allow it to discourage me from mindlessly whining.about the refs.

Very salient comment on their targeting. The broadcast made a similar observation w.r.t. their tackling technique, particularly on the 1st non-targeting call. Said although he didn't think it was targeting, it was very clearly terrible tackling technique. He commented that the rule is in place to protect both the offensive and defensive player. Iirc, he went on to say the Liami player is very lucky not to have hurt himself. These rules are meant to legislate poor tackling technique outta the game too.

So, long story long, even if they weren't coached to spear our guys, they're certainly being poorly coached so say the least.

 

[Fatmike91]

Miami had a makeable field goal at the end of the 2nd quarter. They went for it instead and we got the stop.

They went for 2 instead of kicking an extra point. We stopped that too.

They had another makeable field goal with about 10 minutes to go in the fourth. Again they went for it and we stopped them.

That’s 7 points in the kicking game. They lost by 5…

/

 

[Techwood Relict]

That’s 7 points on the kicking game. They lost by 5…

Mario didn't take calculus......

 

[cpf2001]

Miami had a makeable field goal at the end of the 2nd quarter. They went for it instead and we got the stop.

They went for 2 instead of kicking an extra point.

They had another makeable field goal with about 10 minutes to go in the fourth. Again they went for it and we stopped them.

That’s 7 points on the kicking game. They lost by 5…

/

IIRC our close win in 2005 benefited from Coker passing up several FGs as well.

I get the basic math behind the probability of a conversion vs field goal attempt in a lot of situations but I wonder what some of the cumulative point numbers look like for these sorts of situations where they aren’t fourth-and-goal TD-or-bust calls. How often do you end up with far fewer points vs even breaking even?

 

[CEB]

They lost by 5…

 

[RonJohn]

Miami had a makeable field goal at the end of the 2nd quarter. They went for it instead and we got the stop.

They went for 2 instead of kicking an extra point.

They had another makeable field goal with about 10 minutes to go in the fourth. Again they went for it and we stopped them.

That’s 7 points on the kicking game. They lost by 5…

/

Christobal proved last year that he has no respect for conventional coach-thought. He didn't take a knee last year when that would have won the game. In this game he chased points far too early in the game. The non-FG attempt in the 2nd quarter dismissed the coach-thought to always @takethepoints . I understand not kicking the FG in the 4th. They were down 2 scores. Kicking a FG, they would still be down by two scores. However, if they had kicked the PAT earlier, they could have kicked the FG and only been down by 8 points.

I respect coaches who try new things. Some have success and some don't. However, to continually dismiss the conventional wisdom of game management, and continually lose because of it is just plain stupid.

 

[UgaBlows]

Christobal proved last year that he has no respect for conventional coach-thought. He didn't take a knee last year when that would have won the game. In this game he chased points far too early in the game. The non-FG attempt in the 2nd quarter dismissed the coach-thought to always @takethepoints . I understand not kicking the FG in the 4th. They were down 2 scores. Kicking a FG, they would still be down by two scores. However, if they had kicked the PAT earlier, they could have kicked the FG and only been down by 8 points.

I respect coaches who try new things. Some have success and some don't. However, to continually dismiss the conventional wisdom of game management, and continually lose because of it is just plain stupid.

I see both decisions- last year’s not taking a knee, and this year‘s going for it twice instead of kicking 2 field goals as pure arrogance and disrespect on his part towards our defense

 

[Jacket05]

Yeah several people chimed in to correct me. I thanked them all and I feel enlightened. Still, I refuse to allow it to discourage me from mindlessly whining.about the refs.

Very salient comment on their targeting. The broadcast made a similar observation w.r.t. their tackling technique, particularly on the 1st non-targeting call. Said although he didn't think it was targeting, it was very clearly terrible tackling technique. He commented that the rule is in place to protect both the offensive and defensive player. Iirc, he went on to say the Liami player is very lucky not to have hurt himself. These rules are meant to legislate poor tackling technique outta the game too.

So, long story long, even if they weren't coached to spear our guys, they're certainly being poorly coached so say the least.

Oh I agree you should absolutely contact to whine about the refs! I was merely correcting WHAT the refs messed up on that play. They missed the blatant facemask on Cooley not the hands to the face.

Also the no calls on the early targeting penalties were BS and because they were not called, Liami kept doing it. The refs are lucky Cooley was not seriously injured for continuing to allow Liami to tackle that way without recourse as well as allowing all the late hits and dirty shots.

There are very few games this season I have not screamed at the utter incompetentcy of the refs. Some blatantly one sided against us but most just across the board stupidity.

 

[Thwg777]

My thoughts to the conversation of passed up FG opportunities and the PAT… in my experience watching football, it’s often the ‘underdog’ coach that has potential proclivities to turn into a degenerate gambler since they need to be aggressive to take an upset. (And if often backfires)

Coming into the game, I believe miami had one of the highest 4th down conversion rates which makes sense given they were undefeated and had to crawl out of numerous holes this season. Credit to our defense for making him look silly (again)

 

[bobongo]

Oh I agree you should absolutely contact to whine about the refs! I was merely correcting WHAT the refs messed up on that play. They missed the blatant facemask on Cooley not the hands to the face.

Also the no calls on the early targeting penalties were BS and because they were not called, Liami kept doing it. The refs are lucky Cooley was not seriously injured for continuing to allow Liami to tackle that way without recourse as well as allowing all the late hits and dirty shots.

There are very few games this season I have not screamed at the utter incompetentcy of the refs. Some blatantly one sided against us but most just across the board stupidity.

They got away with leading by the crown of the helmet by doing so without launching. By the rules, I imagine they can do that, and it seemed they were taking advantage of the sort of loophole and doing it on purpose. Just plant your feet and head butt the opponent, and as long as you refrain from "launching", you get away with it. Legal or not it's a dirty tactic, to be sure. You can't legitimately blame the refs for a loophole in the rules. I blame the loophole, not the refs. As long as you're not initiating forcible contact, you can lower your helmet into the other player. The "initiation" is open to interpretation. If they're stationary, it won't be called (or shouldn't, by the rule).

Tech got away with one very blatant (IMO) pass interference (actually defensive holding) early in the game.

 

[kg01]

Oh I agree you should absolutely contact to whine about the refs! I was merely correcting WHAT the refs messed up on that play. They missed the blatant facemask on Cooley not the hands to the face.

Also the no calls on the early targeting penalties were BS and because they were not called, Liami kept doing it. The refs are lucky Cooley was not seriously injured for continuing to allow Liami to tackle that way without recourse as well as allowing all the late hits and dirty shots.

There are very few games this season I have not screamed at the utter incompetentcy of the refs. Some blatantly one sided against us but most just across the board stupidity.

Ironically, the guy wrenching his helmet off could've saved Cooley from injury. Who knows how that spearing would've landed if his helmet was on normally?

 

[stinger78]

He scored on the same play, too.

Too bad we can’t really block that play.

 

[kg01]

They got away with leading by the crown of the helmet by doing so without launching. By the rules, I imagine they can do that, and it seemed they were taking advantage of the sort of loophole and doing it on purpose. Just plant your feet and head butt the opponent, and as long as you refrain from "launching", you get away with it. Legal or not it's a dirty tactic, to be sure. You can't legitimately blame the refs for a loophole in the rules. I blame the loophole, not the refs. As long as you're not initiating forcible contact, you can lower your helmet into the other player. The "initiation" is open to interpretation. If they're stationary, it won't be called (or shouldn't, by the rule).

Tech got away with one very blatant (IMO) pass interference (actually defensive holding) early in the game.

But that's the thing. Tackling that way makes it pretty likely you're gonna injure your own neck. How fkng stupid is that?

"Yeah I'm paralyzed but did you see that wicked hit?"

 

[stinger78]

Ironically, the guy wrenching his helmet off could've saved Cooley from injury. Who knows how that spearing would've landed if his helmet was on normally?

Yeah, maybe, but that third nostril he now has must be a to breathe through.