Great AJC Article

[stinger 1957]

I've never understood why we treat recruiting vs development as polar opposites. In truth, we need both.

I always thought developmental meant taking kids that were athletic, FB instincts etc. and physically developing them into what they needed to be, yes they need to teach them technique etc. at their position, but I never have thought developmental meant that. For instance we sometimes take a DE that has the frame and make him into an inside tackle type DL. That is what I always thought it meant. We grow OLs into the size we want them to be. I recently talked to an OL that played for CPJ and he commented that it was hard for him living with all that weight and after he "got out" he took it off and he really looked good IMO.

 

[takethepoints]

(Arbitrarily choosing your post to respond to)

I don't care how light or heavy our offensive linemen are. I want them to make contact with the defensive players and block them. The only metrics that matter are how they perform on the field.

I couldn't agree more. I said earlier that I thought our OLs were carrying an extra 10 - 15 lbs over their best weight; they seemed to have a tough time moving into blocking lanes. There's training for the beach - from the pics of the weight room that seemed to be what we were aiming for - and training for football. My son went to Lovett. They had different routines for wrestling, baseball, and - for different positions, mind - football. I'm glad to see that Tech is apparently going to do more of the same.

 

[awbuzz]

Why are we still talking about Collins?

Who?

 

[yeti92]

Those were updated weight Fall 2018. These are the 2 deep weight from bowl game vs. Minnesota

Quinney 6-6 276lb
Ivemeyer 6-1 270lb

Braun 6-3 280lb
Clark 6-4 280lb

Cooper 6-3 305lb
Lee 6-2 287lb

Hansen 6-2 310lb
Morgan 6-4 288lb

Marshall 6-4 282lb
Bryan 6-4 285lb

This horse has beaten to death, researched and proven what the actual avg weight was. Was CGC exaggerating the 260lbs? What was the avg weight. It was more like 272

Was CPJ recruiting 260lb OL? Yes

Zach Quinney 2017 Offensive Tackle Georgia Tech

Zach Quinney - 3 Star Offensive tackle for Georgia Tech on JacketsOnline

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Harrison Jump 2018 Offensive Tackle Georgia Tech

Harrison Jump - 2 Star Offensive tackle for Georgia Tech on JacketsOnline

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So the 2 deep from the bowl game, the lightest point of the season, averaged 286? I don't recall CGC's comments being about the size of OL recruited, even he had a couple guys around 270lbs, but it looks like about 6 of Johnson's OL were sub 270 coming out of HS over 11 years. That's pretty negligible imo, he had as many or more that were 295+. Gailey also recruited plenty of OL that size. Andrew Gardner was 250 lb

Andrew Gardner 2004 Offensive Tackle Georgia Tech

Andrew Gardner - 2 Star Offensive tackle for Georgia Tech on JacketsOnline

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Most of the guys coming out of high school that are 300+ have some bad weight on them anyway, some a lot of bad weight.

 

[cthenrys]

Why are we still talking about Collins?

Because he damn near ruined our program. Maybe.

Sure am glad he’s gone

 

[forensicbuzz]

Because he damn near ruined our program. Maybe.

Sure am glad he’s gone

All the more reason to stop talking about him and move on.

 

[leatherneckjacket]

How is using TFG as a crutch for everything that could be potentially be wrong with the program any different than what the TFG did by negging the team that CPJ left him?

 

[Ibeeballin]

So the 2 deep from the bowl game, the lightest point of the season, averaged 286? I don't recall CGC's comments being about the size of OL recruited, even he had a couple guys around 270lbs, but it looks like about 6 of Johnson's OL were sub 270 coming out of HS over 11 years. That's pretty negligible imo, he had as many or more that were 295+. Gailey also recruited plenty of OL that size. Andrew Gardner was 250 lb

Andrew Gardner 2004 Offensive Tackle Georgia Tech

Andrew Gardner - 2 Star Offensive tackle for Georgia Tech on JacketsOnline

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Most of the guys coming out of high school that are 300+ have some bad weight on them anyway, some a lot of bad weight.

The irony of you commenting on the post where i referenced you post.


https://gtswarm.com/threads/my-first-post-crootin.20743/post-673498

As I told you 3 yrs ago. Subtract Braun & Marshall & add Chet Lagod, Cheyenne Hunt, Lucas Patelles and William Lay into your equation from 2018

 

[GTRambler]

I remember TFG talking about the need to recruit O-linemen with long arms.

What does “long arms” have to do with how good an offensive lineman is?

 

[TromboneJacket]

I remember TFG talking about the need to recruit O-linemen with long arms.

What does “long arms” have to do with how good an offensive lineman is?

For offensive tackles, long arms are helpful as it allows them to get their hands on pass rushers more easily.

 

[Eli]

Those were updated weight Fall 2018. These are the 2 deep weight from bowl game vs. Minnesota

Quinney 6-6 276lb
Ivemeyer 6-1 270lb

Braun 6-3 280lb
Clark 6-4 280lb

Cooper 6-3 305lb
Lee 6-2 287lb

Hansen 6-2 310lb
Morgan 6-4 288lb

Marshall 6-4 282lb
Bryan 6-4 285lb

This horse has beaten to death, researched and proven what the actual avg weight was. Was CGC exaggerating the 260lbs? What was the avg weight. It was more like 272

Was CPJ recruiting 260lb OL? Yes

Zach Quinney 2017 Offensive Tackle Georgia Tech

Zach Quinney - 3 Star Offensive tackle for Georgia Tech on JacketsOnline

n.rivals.com

Harrison Jump 2018 Offensive Tackle Georgia Tech

Harrison Jump - 2 Star Offensive tackle for Georgia Tech on JacketsOnline

n.rivals.com

Didn’t you go to Tech? How is that average 272 on the two deep? Try 285!

 

[ibeattetris]

Those were updated weight Fall 2018. These are the 2 deep weight from bowl game vs. Minnesota

Quinney 6-6 276lb
Ivemeyer 6-1 270lb

Braun 6-3 280lb
Clark 6-4 280lb

Cooper 6-3 305lb
Lee 6-2 287lb

Hansen 6-2 310lb
Morgan 6-4 288lb

Marshall 6-4 282lb
Bryan 6-4 285lb

This horse has beaten to death, researched and proven what the actual avg weight was. Was CGC exaggerating the 260lbs? What was the avg weight. It was more like 272

Was CPJ recruiting 260lb OL? Yes

Zach Quinney 2017 Offensive Tackle Georgia Tech

Zach Quinney - 3 Star Offensive tackle for Georgia Tech on JacketsOnline

n.rivals.com

Harrison Jump 2018 Offensive Tackle Georgia Tech

Harrison Jump - 2 Star Offensive tackle for Georgia Tech on JacketsOnline

n.rivals.com

The average of those numbers is 286 not 270. Even 270 is egregious thing to say.

 

[Eli]

The irony of you commenting on the post where i referenced you post.


https://gtswarm.com/threads/my-first-post-crootin.20743/post-673498

As I told you 3 yrs ago. Subtract Braun & Marshall & add Chet Lagod, Cheyenne Hunt, Lucas Patelles and William Lay into your equation from 2018

Chan Gaileys offensive line recruits (they are easy to find because he under recruited the position big time.)

2007: Nick Claytor 6’6 312
Clyde Yandell 6’3 304
2006: Austin Barrick (was recruited as a TE) 6’3 247.
2005: Will Miller 6’5 268
Cord Howard 6’5 250
Jason Hill 6’5 270
Trey Dumon 6’4 275
Randall Cox 6’4 287
Dan Voss 6’4 290
2004: Jacob Lonowski 6’4 275
Andrew Garner 6’6 250
Nate McManus 6’4 295
2003: Matt Rhodes 6’4 260
Eddy Parker 6’5 280
Kevin Tummenilo 6’4 290

This looks almost identical to a Paul Johnson recruited offensive line with weight and height (unless you just are incredibly biased)

 

[forensicbuzz]

The OL hasn't been so big for so long.

These are the best HS OL coming out.

 

[4shotB]

I have lost sight of what we are debating when we go around and round about how big our linemen where under our last 3 previous coaches. What is the big picture here that we are trying to prove or disprove? And beyond that, why is it relevant to today's program?

 

[Ibeeballin]

The average of those numbers is 286 not 270. Even 270 is egregious thing to say.

There are more OL that were inherited.had. There is no roster with 8 OL on it

The avg height inherited 6’2.3 & 272lbs which i calculated on here

CPJ believed the added weight contributed to the injuries in 2015. Ironically, 2 of CPJ best seasons were when the OL avg 295lbs

Georgia Tech football: Fromayan example of focus on weight loss

Cutting out the No. 1 combo at Chick-fil-A — that’s the chicken sandwich, fries and a drink, followed by a “My pleasure” – has helped Eason Fromayan become a potential starter at offensive tackle for Georgia Tech’s football team.

www.ajc.com

 

[iceeater1969]

I have lost sight of what we are debating when we go around and round about how big our linemen where under our last 3 previous coaches. What is the big picture here that we are trying to prove or disprove? And beyond that, why is it relevant to today's program?

When u need fast agile ol, u bring in athletes that have bulked up.

It looks like Key hopes to get naturally big guys (verses work out warriors) and devlope them over 4 years.

 

[jgtengineer]

How is using TFG as a crutch for everything that could be potentially be wrong with the program any different than what the TFG did by negging the team that CPJ left him?

In this case... its true.

 

[flea77]

There are more OL that were inherited.had. There is no roster with 8 OL on it

The avg height inherited 6’2.3 & 272lbs which i calculated on here

CPJ believed the added weight contributed to the injuries in 2015. Ironically, 2 of CPJ best seasons were when the OL avg 295lbs

Georgia Tech football: Fromayan example of focus on weight loss

Cutting out the No. 1 combo at Chick-fil-A — that’s the chicken sandwich, fries and a drink, followed by a “My pleasure” – has helped Eason Fromayan become a potential starter at offensive tackle for Georgia Tech’s football team.

www.ajc.com

 

[GoJacketsInRaleigh]

The average of those numbers is 286 not 270. Even 270 is egregious thing to say.

THose numbers aren't the recruited weights