Former Jacket, Travares Tillman is our next DB coach

[chewybaka]

I just love people who google “MSU pass defense stats” and think they can seem smart.

Sorry I got a chuckle when I just noticed your emoji has "basketball school" ....per a famous British Secret Agent "Ouch Baby, very ouch!"

 

[33jacket]

collins doing collins things. I just hope tilman is a more hardnose discipline coach replacing much more docile coaches that were friends.

As far as his coaching. Who knows. Msu wasn’t great in the secondary but its never as good or as bad as it seems, except here, it is as bad as it seems; so it is what is is.

 

[ibeattetris]

Glad to see something other than the aggregate stats. I figured someone will post some analysis from Football Outsiders or some source like that eventually to give us a better idea how they really measure up. They did play in the Big 10, not the mighty ACC Coastal after all so the talent level of the opposition is relevant.

Football outsiders doesn’t keep track of DB specific metrics, and I’m not really sure what DFEI would really tell with regards to just the DB coach. Maybe PFF has data I am not aware of, but I don't pay for that site.

	season	team	def_passing_plays_ppa	pass_ppa_rank	def_havoc_db	havoc_rnk	def_passing_plays_success_rate	success_rate_rank	def_passing_plays_explosiveness	explosiveness_rank
1	2019	Colorado	0.3898463	118	0.0729927	69	0.4812207	126	1.586263	57
2	2021	Michigan State	0.29058	83	0.07001045	32	0.4649573	104	1.42515	20

Here are some more advanced stats. Take these with a grain of salt. There is more to defense success rate than just the dbs. The havoc rate is probably the closest metric, but even that will be influenced by how well a defense is able to pass rush or what type of passes the offense chooses to throw. I chose years where he was listed as the DB coach.

 

[awbuzz]

I'm not sure how talented Michigan State's secondary was, but they had the worst pass defense in the country. I didn't watch them except for the Ohio State game and was astonished to hear that statistic. But, as I saw wide open receivers running down the field, I figured that the stat made sense.

"...in part because the Spartans were often ahead, they faced the most pass attempts (556) of any team in FBS."

Think about the why, look beyond the eye candy.

 

[awbuzz]

literally 130th/130

we were 121st

Go read Ken's write up in the AJC and come back with some additional facts. It should make you feel better about the hirer.

 

[GSOJacket]

Travares was an outstanding DB and a favorite of mine during the last half of the 90s. If he coaches anywhere near the level of his play, he'll be a real asset to the program.

 

[augustabuzz]

More stats

Mich St
Opposing Passer rating: 142.6 (87)
Yards per attempt: 7.5 (72)

GT
Opposing Passer Rating: 179 (130)
Yards per attempt: 10 (128)

Mich St has some inflated totals due to who they played, but they were far from good. Anything will be better than GT 2021.

Michigan St. did not face the QB talent that we did.

 

[okiemon]

Michigan St. did not face the QB talent that we did.

That’s because every QB we faced was elite.

 

[ibeattetris]

Michigan St. did not face the QB talent that we did.

There is always context missing when things get reduced to single numbers.

 

[bobongo]

There is always context missing when things get reduced to single numbers.

So much context to consider. The MSU defensive backfield was hit with transfers and injuries, but were the transfers because they didn't like their coach(es)? How much talent did they have back there? Tillman was only one of two coaches for the defensive backfield. How much of their woes were on him, if any? More passes were thrown against MSU than any other team. I would assume, since they were 10-2, that part of the reason was that they had a stellar run defense, so opponents naturally attacked their weakness. And on and on. Judging a coach by his stats is somewhat like judging a can of soup by the contents on the label.

 

[GT33]

All we can hope for now is he's good. He's probably not used to WRs running right past his DBs all the time, but I'm sure he'll coach the DBs differently & call a different scheme than the last guy after he watches our game tape.

 

[bobongo]

All we can hope for now is he's good. He's probably not used to WRs running right past his DBs all the time, but I'm sure he'll coach the DBs differently & call a different scheme than the last guy after he watches our game tape.

Could. Not. Possibly. Be. Worse.

 

[iceeater1969]

Could. Not. Possibly. Be. Worse.

The covidc year we moved to upper deck and i watched the db and s. Up high you could easily see the whole field and could focus
I made note of where the dbs were relative to wr at 3, 5 , 7 seconds.
For us on offense the db were close to our wr at 3 & 5 seconds but lost coverage on some at 7 seconds.

For us on defense we often had guys covered at 3 seconds but just as often they were wide open. After 3 seconds they were some times covered but mostly wide open w db closing on wr. After 5 there we several wide open.
It was like they fooled us with their route .
When they were on defense it was like they had a real good idea of first move and second move.

This year they seemed a little better in early converge but our deep coverage was totally busted. The safety would set up 25 and be backing up. The qb had a giant window and wr had ball several steps before the s was closing. Its like the safety did not understand when to break on the receiver.

I think w had a failure to communicate that collins allowed to go on too long.

Hope our db s can be near the reciever sooner next year.

 

[GT33]

The covidc year we moved to upper deck and i watched the db and s. Up high you could easily see the whole field and could focus
I made note of where the dbs were relative to wr at 3, 5 , 7 seconds.
For us on offense the db were close to our wr at 3 & 5 seconds but lost coverage on some at 7 seconds.

For us on defense we often had guys covered at 3 seconds but just as often they were wide open. After 3 seconds they were some times covered but mostly wide open w db closing on wr. After 5 there we several wide open.
It was like they fooled us with their route .
When they were on defense it was like they had a real good idea of first move and second move.

This year they seemed a little better in early converge but our deep coverage was totally busted. The safety would set up 25 and be backing up. The qb had a giant window and wr had ball several steps before the s was closing. Its like the safety did not understand when to break on the receiver.

I think w had a failure to communicate that collins allowed to go on too long.

Hope our db s can be near the reciever sooner next year.

Just this 1 thing is probably 7-10 pts per game.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

Should have been three times, he intercepted a pass that should have ended the game, but there was a "penalty" fifteen yards behind the ball

I remember well. It sustained the drive and Georgia won in closing seconds and instantly inshrined that game as “The Drive.” Horrible call in my book, especially since he intercepted the ball a split second before the contact happened further up the field.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

So much context to consider. The MSU defensive backfield was hit with transfers and injuries, but were the transfers because they didn't like their coach(es)? How much talent did they have back there? Tillman was only one of two coaches for the defensive backfield. How much of their woes were on him, if any? More passes were thrown against MSU than any other team. I would assume, since they were 10-2, that part of the reason was that they had a stellar run defense, so opponents naturally attacked their weakness. And on and on. Judging a coach by his stats is somewhat like judging a can of soup by the contents on the label.

I also remember when we annihilated Mississippi State they set an Orange Bowl record for passing yards because they were so far behind and trying to close a 3 touchdown lead.

Passing yards can mean a lot of different things.

 

[chewybaka]

I also remember when we annihilated Mississippi State they set an Orange Bowl record for passing yards because they were so far behind and trying to close a 3 touchdown lead.

Passing yards can mean a lot of different things.

Also Dak had a Lucky Hail Mary just before the half..,,