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One of our friends on this board has caught this excess death tally and routinely pointed it out - we have like 100,000 more deaths than normal, not accounted for by COVID-19 deaths.
... And I'll add that in fact the true excess deaths number is probably even worse than what this study shows, since all kinds of deaths like car wrecks and others are well down.
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I'll post this weekend about the Excess Deaths which IMHO are largely explained by COVID.

And I agree that there are probably more COVID deaths than reported since car deaths and the like are down. Suicides and drinking up. Who knows?
 

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By biggest issue with business mandating mask is when I walk in one wearing a mask and half the employees are either not wearing one or not correctly. Walked into a rite aid the other day and was more than annoyed. One of the employees was a worker in the pharmacy. Not one on at all.
 
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What is not being reported is that as the case rate is going up, the death rate is remaining under 700 per day of new cases overall, and of the 15000 deaths reported recently, only 3.9% were under the age of 44, and the increased number of hospitalizations is not due to Covid cases, but because of earlier denied access to hospitals of cancer patients, heart patients, etc., and that the increased number of cases is due to the increased number of young and rebellious people being exposed (but not sick) and then exposing the more susceptible among the population. This has been reported by Dr. Mark Siegel, Professor of Medicine at New York University School of Medicine and a Medical Director of Doctor Radio at NYU and SiriusXM
 

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What is not being reported is that as the case rate is going up, the death rate is remaining under 700 per day of new cases overall, and of the 15000 deaths reported recently, only 3.9% were under the age of 44, and the increased number of hospitalizations is not due to Covid cases, but because of earlier denied access to hospitals of cancer patients, heart patients, etc., and that the increased number of cases is due to the increased number of young and rebellious people being exposed (but not sick) and then exposing the more susceptible among the population. This has been reported by Dr. Mark Siegel, Professor of Medicine at New York University School of Medicine and a Medical Director of Doctor Radio at NYU and SiriusXM

If the spread at the moment is mostly young people, that is good for today. However, if there is much more virus being spread, then the number of people over 60 will increase so not so good for tomorrow. Those expanding young people will be around their parents, who will be around their grandparents.

If people will practice the original CDC recommendations: maintain social distance, and wash hands frequently: plus the newer recommendation of wearing masks, then the spread will most likely decrease. With what we know about the spread of the virus now we shouldn't have to shut down as much as we did before. However, we in the public have to take responsibility and act better than we are currently acting.
 

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I ordered a few of these yesterday. I've been wearing masks for a while up here and try to make it a little fun or interesting.

 
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If the spread at the moment is mostly young people, that is good for today. However, if there is much more virus being spread, then the number of people over 60 will increase so not so good for tomorrow. Those expanding young people will be around their parents, who will be around their grandparents.

If people will practice the original CDC recommendations: maintain social distance, and wash hands frequently: plus the newer recommendation of wearing masks, then the spread will most likely decrease. With what we know about the spread of the virus now we shouldn't have to shut down as much as we did before. However, we in the public have to take responsibility and act better than we are currently acting.
The problem with the spread coming mostly from young people is that they will potentially spread it to older people. And yes, I know that is essentially what you said, but it bears repeating.
 

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What is not being reported is that as the case rate is going up, the death rate is remaining under 700 per day of new cases overall, and of the 15000 deaths reported recently, only 3.9% were under the age of 44, and the increased number of hospitalizations is not due to Covid cases, but because of earlier denied access to hospitals of cancer patients, heart patients, etc., and that the increased number of cases is due to the increased number of young and rebellious people being exposed (but not sick) and then exposing the more susceptible among the population. This has been reported by Dr. Mark Siegel, Professor of Medicine at New York University School of Medicine and a Medical Director of Doctor Radio at NYU and SiriusXM
Seems that the age that's mentioned in ref to deaths and hospitalizations is trending down. Not a good sign.
 

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Seems that the age that's mentioned in ref to deaths and hospitalizations is trending down. Not a good sign.

Yep, same thing here. Two-thirds of cases are those in their 40s or younger in SC IIRC. That in itself would not be a bad thing necessarily, if people would not transmit it to other people. But they don't care. They're playing COVID-19 roulette parties, gambling on who will get it in their group next... We had a robust contact tracing effort here, but yesterday the state's chief epidemiologist said that process is officially now broken because they can't contract trace when we have 1,500 new cases a day. They can't keep up.
 

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Unfortunately that is the exponential growth we've seen with this particular virus over and over. Everything looks ok, just sort of putters along, maybe increases a little and then it explodes.
You have to catch it when the numbers are first starting to go up just a little and attack it them, before it even looks like a serious problem or it is too late and you are just trying to wrest control back from it.

We have 3 states right now that each individually has more cases on a daily basis than the entire European Union has.

Liberty's post above makes me worry about people living in FL. You can see it if you look at the charts for the various cities. Miami has it the worst right now - its increase started sooner, but both Jacksonville and Orlando had larger increases in 7 day rolling avg cases for the last 7 days - up 252% in Jacksonville, 242% in Orlando than Miami (223%). All of them have curves that have gone quite vertical. FL needs to do everything it can to keep it out of its more elderly population.

I'm just hoping that the measures we are taking - masks and social distancing, closing bars - is enough to get things back under control.
Miami has had mandatory mask order indoors since April 9th, so throughout this entire time...but they have now added that it will be mandatory outside as well.

https://www.miamidade.gov/releases/2020-07-01-mayor-maskorder-expanded.asp

Seems mildly odd to me as I was under the impression that it has been concluded that transmission outdoors is extremely rare.....

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/...rus-runners-cyclists-airborne-infectious-dose
 

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Florida reported over 10k cases yesterday. We are going into July 4th weekend with July 4th itself being on a Saturday. This is not good.
 

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Miami has had mandatory mask order indoors since April 9th, so throughout this entire time...but they have now added that it will be mandatory outside as well.

https://www.miamidade.gov/releases/2020-07-01-mayor-maskorder-expanded.asp

Seems mildly odd to me as I was under the impression that it has been concluded that transmission outdoors is extremely rare.....

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/...rus-runners-cyclists-airborne-infectious-dose

Well the caveat is that they are requiring masks outdoors *when 6 feet of separation is not possible*.
 
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When even publications like The Atlantic and the NYT are skeptical, then you definitely have to wonder ---

On May 21, 2020, the Atlantic reported that the CDC was over counting the number of cases of individuals with the China coronavirus:

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is conflating the results of two different types of coronavirus tests, distorting several important metrics and providing the country with an inaccurate picture of the state of the pandemic. We’ve learned that the CDC is making, at best, a debilitating mistake: combining test results that diagnose current coronavirus infections with test results that measure whether someone has ever had the virus. The upshot is that the government’s disease-fighting agency is overstating the country’s ability to test people who are sick with COVID-19. The agency confirmed to The Atlantic on Wednesday that it is mixing the results of viral and antibody tests, even though the two tests reveal different information and are used for different reasons.

This is not merely a technical error. States have set quantitative guidelines for reopening their economies based on these flawed data points.

Several states—including Pennsylvania, the site of one of the country’s largest outbreaks, as well as Texas, Georgia, and Vermont—are blending the data in the same way. Virginia likewise mixed viral and antibody test results until last week, but it reversed course and the governor apologized for the practice after it was covered by the Richmond Times-Dispatch and The Atlantic. Maine similarly separated its data on Wednesday; Vermont authorities claimed they didn’t even know they were doing this.

BY INCLUDING BOTH ACTIVE CASES WITH CASES OF INDIVIDUALS WHO HAD THE CHINA CORONAVIRUS IN THE PAST, THE CDC IS GROSSLY OVERSTATING THE NUMBER OF ACTIVE CASES IN THE US.

UNFORTUNATELY, STATES LIKE TEXAS AND FLORIDA HAVE RESET THEIR ECONOMIC REOPENING TIME TABLES BASED ON THIS BOGUS DATA.

Apparently the CDC is still co-mingling these results. Forbes reported last week:

A report released Thursday from the Government Accountability Office levied criticism at the CDC for combining active cases of the coronavirus and positive antibody tests, which may give a misleading view of nationwide testing and spread.

The far-left New York Times also reported last week on the GAO’s report:

The report also criticized the C.D.C.’s counting of coronavirus tests, which combines tests for an active infection and those that detect antibodies. This practice inflates the percentage of Americans that appear to have been tested and gives an unreliable picture of the way the virus is spreading around the country, according to the new report. After the C.D.C. was criticized last month for combining the two types of tests in its reports, the agency promised to separate them. But as of June 9, it had still not resolved the issue, the office reported.
 

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When even publications like The Atlantic and the NYT are skeptical, then you definitely have to wonder ---

On May 21, 2020, the Atlantic reported that the CDC was over counting the number of cases of individuals with the China coronavirus:

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is conflating the results of two different types of coronavirus tests, distorting several important metrics and providing the country with an inaccurate picture of the state of the pandemic. We’ve learned that the CDC is making, at best, a debilitating mistake: combining test results that diagnose current coronavirus infections with test results that measure whether someone has ever had the virus. The upshot is that the government’s disease-fighting agency is overstating the country’s ability to test people who are sick with COVID-19. The agency confirmed to The Atlantic on Wednesday that it is mixing the results of viral and antibody tests, even though the two tests reveal different information and are used for different reasons.

This is not merely a technical error. States have set quantitative guidelines for reopening their economies based on these flawed data points.

Several states—including Pennsylvania, the site of one of the country’s largest outbreaks, as well as Texas, Georgia, and Vermont—are blending the data in the same way. Virginia likewise mixed viral and antibody test results until last week, but it reversed course and the governor apologized for the practice after it was covered by the Richmond Times-Dispatch and The Atlantic. Maine similarly separated its data on Wednesday; Vermont authorities claimed they didn’t even know they were doing this.

BY INCLUDING BOTH ACTIVE CASES WITH CASES OF INDIVIDUALS WHO HAD THE CHINA CORONAVIRUS IN THE PAST, THE CDC IS GROSSLY OVERSTATING THE NUMBER OF ACTIVE CASES IN THE US.

UNFORTUNATELY, STATES LIKE TEXAS AND FLORIDA HAVE RESET THEIR ECONOMIC REOPENING TIME TABLES BASED ON THIS BOGUS DATA.

Apparently the CDC is still co-mingling these results. Forbes reported last week:

A report released Thursday from the Government Accountability Office levied criticism at the CDC for combining active cases of the coronavirus and positive antibody tests, which may give a misleading view of nationwide testing and spread.

The far-left New York Times also reported last week on the GAO’s report:

The report also criticized the C.D.C.’s counting of coronavirus tests, which combines tests for an active infection and those that detect antibodies. This practice inflates the percentage of Americans that appear to have been tested and gives an unreliable picture of the way the virus is spreading around the country, according to the new report. After the C.D.C. was criticized last month for combining the two types of tests in its reports, the agency promised to separate them. But as of June 9, it had still not resolved the issue, the office reported.

Where did you copy that blurb from? It says that the Atlantic complains that the number of cases in the US is overstated, but the information from the Atlantic argues that the ability to test is overstated, not the number of cases. That blurb seems to be attempting to confuse the data instead of make it more clear.
 
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Where did you copy that blurb from? It says that the Atlantic complains that the number of cases in the US is overstated, but the information from the Atlantic argues that the ability to test is overstated, not the number of cases. That blurb seems to be attempting to confuse the data instead of make it more clear.
I no longer have the link to where I read those comments. So I can't agree or argue with your point. Did you also check what the NYT said?
 

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I no longer have the link to where I read those comments. So I can't agree or argue with your point. Did you also check what the NYT said?

What you posted didn't quote or paraphrase from the NYT, it only stated that the NYT reported on the GAO report.

The blurb you posted seems to be arguing that the total number of cases in the USA are overstated by the confirmed case count, and that the Atlantic and NYT are reporting that the total number of cases is lower than the reported confirmed case count. I haven't read either the Atlantic article or the NYT article, and the blurb doesn't even specify what specific article they are referring to. However, what they claim the Atlantic report says is that the number of tests is overstated. If that is the case, then the number of confirmed cases would be understated instead of overstated. Also, I have not seen a single report from anyone, until this, that claims that the number of actual infections is less than the number of confirmed infections. There was a report within the last week that estimates that the confirmed infections are only 10% of the total infections. The only way that the number of confirmed infections would be anywhere close to the number of actual infections would be if a very large percentage of the entire population is tested.

The blurb misrepresents the information they claim was posted in the Atlantic, and then insinuates that the CDC is intentionally providing false information to purposefully delay reopening. The blurb contends that Georgia uses the CDC's data as their measure for how to reopen. Georgia has their own data, and the data from the CDC was actually increasing when Kemp started retracting restrictions, so it is certain that the CDC data is not the only data that Georgia uses.

The blurb doesn't actually have any real information in it. It calls the NYT "far-left", claims that the CDC is bad, and uses "CHINA CORONAVIRUS" instead of COVID-19. It isn't a well thought out essay. It reads more like someone who wants to use keywords that appeal to their audience and ramble about something that some bad entities are doing to harm the "good American people".
 
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