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There is no vaccine. No treatment. Nothing... except isolating each of us from the rest of us helps right now.

Therein lays the problem. Not everyone is self isolating, and therefore "the clock" resets every day. What good is 300 people self isolating when one person doesn't? That one person could become infected at the end of when the 300 other people are self isolating, and all of a sudden infection cycle starts all over again.

THAT is why testing is paramount. It can identify the people who are infected, and get them out of the infection chain. Theoretically, if everyone self isolate it works. Unfortunately, not everyone wants to do their part.

The scary thing is, we know there are countless people out there who are infected, but there's no way to identify them because we are only testing a very narrow set of people...and even then, we don't have enough tests for that.
 

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Therein lays the problem. Not everyone is self isolating, and therefore "the clock" resets every day. What good is 300 people self isolating when one person doesn't? That one person could become infected at the end of when the 300 other people are self isolating, and all of a sudden infection cycle starts all over again.

THAT is why testing is paramount. It can identify the people who are infected, and get them out of the infection chain. Theoretically, if everyone self isolate it works. Unfortunately, not everyone wants to do their part.

The scary thing is, we know there are countless people out there who are infected, but there's no way to identify them because we are only testing a very narrow set of people...and even then, we don't have enough tests for that.
Fair enough... but everyone I know is self isolating (none is infected). Most folks are self isolating. I'm sure.

You're correct. Not 100% are. But more tests as some panacea remedy... ? I'm skeptical.

Edit... I'm all for more tests. Please bring it on. I'm just not sure more tests would or will make a big difference in spread.
 

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Fair enough... but everyone I know is self isolating (none is infected). Most folks are self isolating. I'm sure.

You're correct. Not 100% are. But more tests as some panacea remedy... ? I'm skeptical.

As you alluded to, we need a vaccine, STAT. That's the only 100% (maybe a little less) way of getting through this.

Amongst my friends, I'd say 70% are self isolating. The other 30% think it's being overblown...which is crazy because I live close to Emory and the CDC. It does the 70% no good to isolate if the 30% aren't. It's maddening.

I'm pretty healthy and in my late 30's. Part of me wants to walk into Emory, get coughed on by someone that's infected, and hole up in a secluded AirBNB on the beach in Florida and just get it over with.
 

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And I’ve heard a few of the Doctors interviewed say, it will be over a year following the side effects of the volunteers, before drawing any finite conclusions before decisions can be made on the present vaccine.
That has generally been the case with all proposed disease cures. But John P.A. Ioannidis, professor of medicine, of epidemiology and population health, of biomedical data science, and of statistics at Stanford University and co-director of Stanford’s Meta-Research Innovation Center has a different take on things. I heard an interview with him tonight in which he predicted a cure within a year of the discovery of this particular virus. Whether he knows what he is talking about or not, I don't have a clue, but by virtue of his title and position, I would have to defer at least somewhat to his credibility. He was definitely not a particularly charismatic person in his interview, but how many people in his position are? LOL At any rate, he has also written some very interesting, and I am sure highly controversial, thoughts about the current crisis. I urge you and everybody else to read it and make of it what you will --- https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17...e-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/
 

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I'm pretty healthy and in my late 30's. Part of me wants to walk into Emory, get coughed on by someone that's infected, and hole up in a secluded AirBNB on the beach in Florida and just get it over with.

You’re also one of the biggest drama queens in the nation. People like you are the biggest problem, not people like me. “OH MY GOD THE CORONAVIRUS IS HERE, PEOPLE ARE DYING!!!!”

Settle tf down dude. Jesus Christ.
 

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You’re also one of the biggest drama queens in the nation. People like you are the biggest problem, not people like me. “OH MY GOD THE CORONAVIRUS IS HERE, PEOPLE ARE DYING!!!!”

Settle tf down dude. Jesus Christ.
Be careful, my friend, if Super's account can get banned or whatever the hell happened to it for simply posting a copied sarcastic remark in the "wrong thread", then you could get the same treatment for calling names.
 

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You’re also one of the biggest drama queens in the nation. People like you are the biggest problem, not people like me. “OH MY GOD THE CORONAVIRUS IS HERE, PEOPLE ARE DYING!!!!”

Settle tf down dude. Jesus Christ.
BTW, I hope you will read the link I posted above. I think you will find total agreement with what the professor says.
 

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Be careful, my friend, if Super's account can get banned or whatever the hell happened to it for simply posting a copied sarcastic remark in the "wrong thread", then you could get the same treatment for calling names.

Nah, we're all grown men here. Milwaukee and I may see differently on this one, but he's still a good dude (who's hard headed). We'll hug it out one day...after I see his test results for Covid-19 test first, of course...
 

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Nah, we're all grown men here. Milwaukee and I may see differently on this one, but he's still a good dude (who's hard headed). We'll hug it out one day...after I see his test results for Covid-19 test first, of course...
Oh, I agree, but you are not a moderator, and they DO do strange things at times.
 

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That has generally been the case with all proposed disease cures. But John P.A. Ioannidis, professor of medicine, of epidemiology and population health, of biomedical data science, and of statistics at Stanford University and co-director of Stanford’s Meta-Research Innovation Center has a different take on things. I heard an interview with him tonight in which he predicted a cure within a year of the discovery of this particular virus. Whether he knows what he is talking about or not, I don't have a clue, but by virtue of his title and position, I would have to defer at least somewhat to his credibility. He was definitely not a particularly charismatic person in his interview, but how many people in his position are? LOL At any rate, he has also written some very interesting, and I am sure highly controversial, thoughts about the current crisis. I urge you and everybody else to read it and make of it what you will --- https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17...e-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/
I was listening to a research doc on the radio this evening & he was discussing how existing coronavirus drugs are about 80% effective at keeping the virus from killing the inform but the medical community basically needed to be shamed into using what they had because nobody has done 100% testing. You know, you can’t use a drug unless there’s exhaustive testing. Well if 1,000 people would have died & this results in only 200 dying, well WTF are they thinking? I can’t understand the mentality of these types of brainiacs.
 

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I was listening to a research doc on the radio this evening & he was discussing how existing coronavirus drugs are about 80% effective at keeping the virus from killing the inform but the medical community basically needed to be shamed into using what they had because nobody has done 100% testing. You know, you can’t use a drug unless there’s exhaustive testing. Well if 1,000 people would have died & this results in only 200 dying, well WTF are they thinking? I can’t understand the mentality of these types of brainiacs.
Did you read the link I posted? The Stanford professor didn't address that, but he did address the mentality of the "brainiacs" throughout the world.
 

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@kg01's ****ty ice cream might be worse than COVID-19.

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Did you read the link I posted? The Stanford professor didn't address that, but he did address the mentality of the "brainiacs" throughout the world.
Yes, I did. It cites numerous examples of why we need data. Well you don’t have it. In my old line of work we called it seasoned military judgment. You know, when some group of dudes lobs an RPG at you it’s reasonable to conclude they’re not friendly. I didn’t need some intel analyst to collect me a bunch of data to declare them hostile. Same goes for the Wuhan coronavirus bioterror weapon. You can figure out if the mortality rate is .4%, .6% or 1.2% later on, it’s barely significant and by the time you got the data the damage would have been done.
 

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Yes, I did. It cites numerous examples of why we need data. Well you don’t have it. In my old line of work we called it seasoned military judgment. You know, when some group of dudes lobs an RPG at you it’s reasonable to conclude they’re not friendly. I didn’t need some intel analyst to collect me a bunch of data to declare them hostile. Same goes for the Wuhan coronavirus bioterror weapon. You can figure out if the mortality rate is .4%, .6% or 1.2% later on, it’s barely significant and by the time you got the data the damage would have been done.
What's interesting about the "bioterror weapon" concept is that China has, and still does, refuse to release pertinent information on what has been happening in that country, as well as statements by some doctors in that country that somehow slipped through to the West.
 
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