Coronavirus Thread

[Techster]

Can we change the thread title to China Virus Thread?

 

[Milwaukee]

Live look at Milwaukee lmao

 

[dtm1997]

Live look at Milwaukee lmao

I mean... you could've asked that kid literally anything and it was gonna be obvious that he's a ****head.

 

[Techster]

 

[Techster]

Humans are the absolute worst. Geez...

 

[Deleted member 2897]

LOL. Reading comprehension is your friend. The fact that you use per capita to compare the situation lets everyone know you either didn't understand the article, or didn't read it (I know, shocking...).

South Korea tested more people in the same amount of time than the United States. How do you quantify "per capita" for the United States when we're struggling to get tests for people who meet the stringent test requirements, and that's not even including people who check the boxes for virus infections. Did you see the White House's presser today? Tests are so hard for the US to get right now that the tests they can get are only going to the areas where infection density is the highest. Thats f'ing scary. How exactly are you getting an accurate "per capita" number when even our best experts have no idea how to solve for X right now?

If you can't comprehend the material it's probably best not to criticize the authors.

You are right with one thing, why compare apples to oranges...

LOl.

Let’s break it down into simple terms. We’re 14 days behind South Korea. We’ve tested 60,000. They’ve tested 290,000. Let’s look in 2 weeks and see if we’re at 290,000 or not. How about that? Until then, any implication is a bit nonsensical. How about that?

Why can’t you just debate the facts? Why do you always resort to personal attacks? It’s just so sad.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Therein lays the problem. Not everyone is self isolating, and therefore "the clock" resets every day. What good is 300 people self isolating when one person doesn't? That one person could become infected at the end of when the 300 other people are self isolating, and all of a sudden infection cycle starts all over again.

THAT is why testing is paramount. It can identify the people who are infected, and get them out of the infection chain. Theoretically, if everyone self isolate it works. Unfortunately, not everyone wants to do their part.

The scary thing is, we know there are countless people out there who are infected, but there's no way to identify them because we are only testing a very narrow set of people...and even then, we don't have enough tests for that.

The sad thing is there is not “it”. “It” cannot quarantine anybody. People who are told to quarantine both with and without the disease, aren’t. We cannot militarily by force quarantine people.

 

[jwsavhGT]

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued a study that said about 38 percent of the 508 patients being hospitalized in the country are between 20 and 54, the New York Times reported. About 20 percent of patients, including those in intensive care, were between 20 to 44, the report said.
The paper spoke to a professor of epidemiology at Columbia who said those 20 and older "have to be careful, even if they think that they’re young and healthy."

 

[Deleted member 2897]

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued a study that said about 38 percent of the 508 patients being hospitalized in the country are between 20 and 54, the New York Times reported. About 20 percent of patients, including those in intensive care, were between 20 to 44, the report said.
The paper spoke to a professor of epidemiology at Columbia who said those 20 and older "have to be careful, even if they think that they’re young and healthy."

Paging Milwaukee. You probably won’t die, but lots of younger people are suffering severe complications and lung damage. IIWII.

 

[jwsavhGT]

 

[LibertyTurns]

Humans are the absolute worst. Geez...

Why is that company not just print it themselves & reduce product costs??? The answer again is, wait, OMG unbelievable: Government interference.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Why is that company not just print it themselves & reduce product costs??? The answer again is, wait, OMG unbelievable: Government interference.

And if you read the previous article Techster posted comparing testing volumes to South Korea, it specifically calls out our bloated government bureaucracies. I think a lot of people think we’re behind most other countries, especially more socialist ones, and that we could be so much better of a place if we just had more government like them (like Medicare for all). The reality is we are already even worse than many of them.

 

[Milwaukee]

Paging Milwaukee. You probably won’t die, but lots of younger people are suffering severe complications and lung damage. IIWII.

Those numbers are bogus. People in that group already have underlying problems. Ie: they’re screwed anyway.

 

[Milwaukee]

Headed to pickup my Cracker Barrel takeout breakfast. I shall return.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Those numbers are bogus. People in that group already have underlying problems. Ie: they’re screwed anyway.

Nearly 40% of those hospitalized were 20-54. Nearly 40%!!!! You should read the articles. Doctors are stating these people had clear medical histories. It’s also unAmerican to act like this during a national crisis. And churlish.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

NBC News just said we tested 20,000 people in the US yesterday.

This statement was part of a story about a medical University in North Carolina developing a test that they were confident worked in early February. This is a lab that has previous certifications for tests such as SARS and MERS. The FDA dictated a series of further tests and retests that added a month to their ability to finally offer them. Sad.

 

[FredJacket]

If you want to make a more accurate comparison to South Korea... make the comparison to California. Not the entire US.

Aggregating all the numbers across the country isn't too useful in figuring out what may happen & when.

Back to testing. In Virginia, only 6% of those tested have tested positive. So... assuming with a limited number of tests, the threshold to be administered a test was pretty high... that is a pretty low positive rate.

All that to say... I'm pretty confused on why more testing is assumed to be what is so critical to flatten the curve. I've heard the argument it will ID more infected folks. That is true, obviously. But how does that information flatten the curve with no treatment... besides stay away from others. I just don't buy that identifying more infected will significantly increase that separation more than what we're already doing.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

If you want to make a more accurate comparison to South Korea... make the comparison to California. Not the entire US.

Aggregating all the numbers across the country isn't too useful in figuring out what may happen & when.

Back to testing. In Virginia, only 6% of those tested have tested positive. So... assuming with a limited number of tests, the threshold to be administered a test was pretty high... that is a pretty low positive rate.

All that to say... I'm pretty confused on why more testing is assumed to be what is so critical to flatten the curve. I've heard the argument it will ID more infected folks. That is true, obviously. But how does that information flatten the curve with no treatment... besides stay away from others. I just don't buy that identifying more infected will significantly increase that separation more than what we're already doing.

That’s what I’ve been arguing. I’m not trying to poo poo the issue were having with testing. I’m trying to make that a separate and quasi-unrelated topic. If someone goes in to get a test, and they’re not feeling well, and their symptoms don’t justify being tested, they are still told to self isolate for 14 days. They may eventually get worse come back get tested and so on. Or they may get better. But as long as everybody is self isolating, the outcome should be the same. The problem is people aren’t self-isolating - even people who tested positive.

Remember who one of the largest spreaders was - that lawyer in NYC. He never got a test, felt sick for a month and told nobody. Kept going to synagogue, grocery store, and so on. Finally took a taxi to a hospital when he was in critical condition. Within 2 weeks over a hundred people in New Rochelle had it, and they spread it far beyond from there. Sad.

Widespread testing helps the most when the results are then quarantined by the military and police.

 

[FredJacket]

That’s what I’ve been arguing. I’m not trying to poo poo the issue were having with testing. I’m trying to make that a separate and quasi-unrelated topic. If someone goes in to get a test, and they’re not feeling well, and their symptoms don’t justify being tested, they are still told to self isolate for 14 days. They may eventually get worse come back get tested and so on. Or they may get better. But as long as everybody is self isolating, the outcome should be the same. The problem is people aren’t self-isolating - even people who tested positive.

Remember who one of the largest spreaders was - that lawyer in NYC. He never got a test, felt sick for a month and told nobody. Kept going to synagogue, grocery store, and so on. Finally took a taxi to a hospital when he was in critical condition. Within 2 weeks over a hundred people in New Rochelle had it, and they spread it far beyond from there. Sad.

You believe that same guy... if sick today ...would behave same way?. Maybe? But I don't. Collectively... we're acting smarter & taking this seriously.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

You believe that same guy... if sick today ...would behave same way?. Maybe? But I don't. Collectively... we're acting smarter & taking this seriously.

Hard to say. It was super hyped back then too and those self quarantine rules were in effect. Who knows. Look at how Milwaukee and people all over the place are still acting today. That guy was not an older person and didn’t have pre-existing health conditions.