Coronavirus Thread

[LibertyTurns]

We have exercises for a reason. There's a reason schools have tornado and fire drills. There's a reason firefighters have exercises to put out fires with different scenarios. There's a reason large buildings have evacuation exercises a couple of times a year. There's a reason doctors and nurses have emergency exercises in hospitals. There's a reason why you/your company participated in those exercises.

Some will pay attention and it will pay off when the time calls for it. It will save lives. Some won't pay attention, and when the time calls for it, they will be in trouble. Let's hope the people guarding our gates were paying attention.

I agree but here’s what transpired.

a. CDC, NIH, etc knew there have been gaps in the wire for 2 decades. They passed more regulations and made the situation worse.

b. Media whipped up frenzies to sell advertising during previous events, ie Swine flue, H1N1, etc and the events were not nearly as humongously catastrophic as they purported. As successive waves occurred, people tuned out. Key decision makers were trained to tune out.

c. Politicians who most rational people distrust heard wails of doomsday scenarios that were imminent that never were. Instead of couching the preparations in reasonable terms, they resorted to “throwing Granny off the cliff” claims and the. people tuned them out.

Every one of these shortcomings I hear we’re panicking about now- respirators and ventilators, masks, disinfectants, vaccines, hospital beds, stress on healthcare workers, economic impact, not enough docs and nurses, etc have been beaten to death in endless scenario reviews. Our wonderful politicians take that and weaponize to the harm of our nation.

We’re getting what we paid for. Time folks wise up.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

If you owe taxes and were going to wait for awhile before paying, sounds like you may get an automatic 90 day delay.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/m...ayments-2020-03-17?mod=MW_article_top_stories

 

[GT_EE78]

That's really interesting stuff to me.

For example, the charts say we're 3 weeks behind South Korea. South Korea started seeing their new cases flatten 10 days ago. So it will be interesting to see if we see our cases flatten 10 days from now (March 26th-ish).

There does appear to be truth to that despite different methods. I'd advise caution in comparing to china and S korea, tho i sure hope we flatten quickly. China is obviously communist and the gov has no restraints. South Korea had a unique outbreak cluster ( thanks to a church/cult group that had travelled to Wuhan) which resulted in theirs mostly being contained in one city. They had the fastest development of test capability which was huge and hopefully the other SK factors will be deemed not to have mattered, but up to 60% of their positives may have been tested forcibly,virtually everyone there was fat-shamed into wearing their masks,and those infected had their personal identifiable info posted online.

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

They're the modern day "iron lungs" of the 1940s & 1950s polio era. Not everybody caught polio, but when you did & it got bad enough you couldn't breathe let alone walk, you needed an iron lung.

Anyone else remember collecting dimes to donate to the March of Dimes?

I don't think they are like the old iron lungs, but maybe that's because today's technology eclipses that of the 40s and 50s, so that even an iron lung would not look as imposing and frightening as it did back then.

 

[Lotta Booze]

If you owe taxes and were going to wait for awhile before paying, sounds like you may get an automatic 90 day delay.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/m...ayments-2020-03-17?mod=MW_article_top_stories

And you may even be able to pay them off with a check from the government
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/17/mnu...ing-to-get-cash-to-americans-immediately.html

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

I know what you mean. I'm in the same trap, due to illness ("flu-like"), then a pinched nerve in my back. Ever since Christmas exercise has been difficult. All the same:

Stop it! Don't go to the gym. Period. It's dangerous. Besides, it's more interesting around here with you posting.

OMG. You must really be bored. LOL

 

[kg01]

OMG. You must really be bored. LOL

"Bored" is not the word I'd use for him if he thinks your posts are "interesting".

Ohhhhhhh ....

Aw c'mon supers, I'm just kiddin'.

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

"Bored" is not the word I'd use for him if he thinks your posts are "interesting".

Ohhhhhhh ....

Aw c'mon supers, I'm just kiddin'.

That has to be the post of the day for me.

 

[Buzzbomb]

I’d like to know how the government can screen almost 340 million American people to determine who gets $1,000 for one payment only? The SSA office near me, is the largest in Ga. for traffic, #3 in the Southeast and top 15 in the U.S.A.
Seems they would have to do it by S.S.N. to keep fraud down, Non-resident Aliens, Folks on a visa, et al.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

I’d like to know how the government can screen almost 340 million American people to determine who gets $1,000 for one payment only? The SSA office near me, is the largest in Ga. for traffic, #3 in the Southeast and top 15 in the U.S.A.
Seems they would have to do it by S.S.N. to keep fraud down, Non-resident Aliens, Folks on a visa, et al.

There will be a large amount of mismanagement and fraud. Happens every time. The larger point is that you want to get money to the people who need it most right now, and if 20% of it is waste...at least you helped a bunch of people in the meantime. The alternative is to have 0 waste by helping nobody. They realize they shouldn't send checks to millionaires, but there's no easy way to do that. We're millionaires, but our tax forms show an income that will easily qualify for payment. There's no time to easily figure out how to not do that. They need to realize that only 6% of Americans are millionaires. If they just send the money to everybody because that's easiest, they'll spend 6% more than they needed to. To me its not worth the time to try and figure out how to not do that.

 

[DeepSnap]

I don't think they are like the old iron lungs, but maybe that's because today's technology eclipses that of the 40s and 50s, so that even an iron lung would not look as imposing and frightening as it did back then.

It was meant as an analogy, not a one for one equivalency. The iron lung, IIRC, was a mechanical device instead of whatever the ventilator is.

 

[ncjacket79]

I don't think they are like the old iron lungs, but maybe that's because today's technology eclipses that of the 40s and 50s, so that even an iron lung would not look as imposing and frightening as it did back then.

Basically you have a tube down your throat back to a machine that breathes for you. Not anything that encases you like in the older days.

 

[armeck]

I’d like to know how the government can screen almost 340 million American people to determine who gets $1,000 for one payment only? The SSA office near me, is the largest in Ga. for traffic, #3 in the Southeast and top 15 in the U.S.A.
Seems they would have to do it by S.S.N. to keep fraud down, Non-resident Aliens, Folks on a visa, et al.

Be cool if we cared that much about fraud while shoveling billions and billions towards business bailouts.

 

[kg01]

There will be a large amount of mismanagement and fraud. Happens every time. The larger point is that you want to get money to the people who need it most right now, and if 20% of it is waste...at least you helped a bunch of people in the meantime. The alternative is to have 0 waste by helping nobody. They realize they shouldn't send checks to millionaires, but there's no easy way to do that. We're millionaires, but our tax forms show an income that will easily qualify for payment. There's no time to easily figure out how to not do that. They need to realize that only 6% of Americans are millionaires. If they just send the money to everybody because that's easiest, they'll spend 6% more than they needed to. To me its not worth the time to try and figure out how to not do that.

They just needed to put that in there to appease the, what do folks call them, 'snowflakes'. They'll all be ok with it as long as them pesky "millionaires" don't get anything.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Be cool if we cared that much about fraud while shoveling billions and billions towards business bailouts.

I hope we do what we did a little of during the last business bailouts - if anybody wants money (like Delta, Southwest, Casinos, etc.), then we take an equity stake in the business so we can recoup our money down the road when everything stabilizes again.

Lets take the airlines as an example. Part of the package the government is working on is to take care of families who have been hurt and need help paying bills (in this illustration it would be airline pilots and flight attendants and mechanics who have gotten laid off due to cratering demand). If we turn around and bail out the companies too, then we're not completely letting them double dip, but there is a bit of that.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Corrected to the US population (so folks can see what might be coming here), here are some cases from around the world. We are about 10-14 days behind most of these.
* Italy: 148,000
* Iceland: 143,000
* Switzerland: 105,000
* Norway: 90,000
* Spain: 68,000
* Denmark: 61,000
* Qatar: 56,000
* South Korea: 54,000
* Austria: 50,000
* Slovenia: 45,000
* Sweden: 39,000
* Belgium: 36,000
* Germany, 35,000
* France: 33,000
* Netherlands: 33,000

Current US: 5,600

 

[MWBATL]

What credible sources are you listening to? Serious question.

Credible sources?

Why, I actually don't think there are any these days. Best you can do is read from multiple sites and try to cobble together your own understanding of what is real. Not ideal ,certainly!

 

[takethepoints]

Here's the report that led to the sudden sobering of tone by the Trump administration yesterday:

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/im...-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

No wonder. The prognosis for deaths is daunting, even with our best efforts at multilevel interventions.

One caveat: this hasn't been peer reviewed yet. Until that happens it isn't dispositive. But credible enough to scare the living daylights out of elected officials? Oh, yeah. And credible enough for this crowd? Oh, yeah.

 

[jwsavhGT]

 

[BuzzStone]

Have a friend of mine that was sent home from work last week because he was sick. Doctor tested for flu and a few other things. Has Coronavirus symptoms but they told him just to go home for 2 weeks and didn't test. I think that is why the numbers in SC are so low.