Coronavirus Thread

[flounder]

He did NOT call it a hoax. He called the media and DIMs' efforts to politicize it a hoax. Quit watching CNN and get the REAL news.

I listen to his actual words, not the Fox News spin that comes later.

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

You probably need a new vascular specialist.

He's not the only one saying that. Quit listening to the politicians, regardless of which side of the aisle they are on.

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

Dude, he called it a hoax. When 15 people were infected in the US, he said that in a couple of days it would be down to zero. He wanted to keep infected people on a cruise ship because "I don’t need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn’t our fault."

He said “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!”

And let's not forget



He's been downplaying this from the beginning.

Would you rather he had gone into full panic mode like the media has, or at least try to keep people calm and rational? I vote for the latter.

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

When compared to most other countries thus far, we have had a very poor response.


I just heard on the radio a few moments ago that S. Korea is testing 10,000 people A DAY, which is more than we have done TOTAL.

And that is somehow Trump's fault? Trump doesn't work for or manage the foot-dragging CDC or FDA.

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

I listen to his actual words, not the Fox News spin that comes later.

Well, if you did listen to his actual words, you know that he did not call the virus a hoax; he called the DIMs' claims and the media's reporting on it a hoax. I listened to his words too, because Fox didn't spin it; they played the entire content of what he said.

 

[Lotta Booze]

So what. Running a test does not stop or slow down the disease. If people think they are at risk and they don’t Quarantine themselves, which is the same thing they would do if they got a positive test, that is their own damn fault. We have been telling people to self Quarantine for months now under those circumstances. Remember the very first people that came over, the ones that were originally in China or on a cruise ship? We gave them a military enforced Quarantine. The main things that we could’ve done differently they would’ve had a material impact would’ve been to shut down all international travel and enforce quarantines by military or police force. Neither one of those things as practical.

A key to problem solving is understanding the scope of the problem. That requires accurate information so you can respond in turn. No, no one thinks testing itself stops the disease but good job in slaying that straw man. But if you want to address the problem you would want accurate numbers of cases and their locations to understand the scope of the problem. That's where testing comes in.

 

[armeck]

I wouldn't lay that all at Trump's feet. It's a product of neglect that extends well beyond his term in office.

I didn't say it was the president's fault. I said that we have had a poor response. We as in this country.

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

I didn't say it was the president's fault. I said that we have had a poor response. We as in this country.

And in that, you are correct. It's just another example of bureaucrats controlling things they know nothing about.

 

[flounder]

Well, if you did listen to his actual words, you know that he did not call the virus a hoax; he called the DIMs' claims and the media's reporting on it a hoax. I listened to his words too, because Fox didn't spin it; they played the entire content of what he said.

So he wasn't saying the threat was overblown? Here's what he said.

So a number that nobody heard of that I heard of recently and I was shocked to hear it, 35,000 people on average die each year from the flu. Did anyone know that? 35,000. That’s a lot of people. It could go to 100,000, it could be 27,000, they say usually a minimum of 27, it goes up to 100,000 people a year who die, and so far we have lost nobody to coronavirus in the United States. Nobody. And it doesn’t mean we won’t, and we are totally prepared, it doesn’t mean we won’t. But think of it. You hear 35 and 40,000 people, and we’ve lost nobody, and you wonder, the press is in hysteria mode.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

So he wasn't saying the threat was overblown? Here's what he said.

And he was correct.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

A key to problem solving is understanding the scope of the problem. That requires accurate information so you can respond in turn. No, no one thinks testing itself stops the disease but good job in slaying that straw man. But if you want to address the problem you would want accurate numbers of cases and their locations to understand the scope of the problem. That's where testing comes in.

I didn’t slay the straw man, I addressed the original complaint. Knowing the data is knowing the data.

 

[flounder]

And he was correct.

I'm honestly confused. Further up in this thread you said everyone in the administration was counseling extreme caution. Now you say he was correct to say it is no big deal. Supersize is arguing that he said the threat was overblown because the experts told him that, but I only think he said the threat was overblown because I watch CNN.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

I'm honestly confused. Further up in this thread you said everyone in the administration was counseling extreme caution. Now you say he was correct to say it is no big deal. Supersize is arguing that he said the threat was overblown because the experts told him that, but I only think he said the threat was overblown because I watch CNN.

False, I didn't say that he said it was no big deal. This type of rewording is rampant on this thread. He was pointing out the absolute hysteria the press was operating under. Which almost unanimously on this board people have stated. Remember that comment was back when we had just about 0 cases other than people we had brought home. The other problem people have is picking 1 sentence out of an entire conversation. He also states it doesn't mean we won't have a problem. If someone reads 1 or a couple sentences, ignores the rest, ignores all the local, state, and health professionals, and runs off under that 1 or a couple sentences, they have bigger problems.

My opinion is nobody actually believes what a few are insinuating here - that Trump said this wasn't a big deal...or that Trump was overhyping it, and both of those lead to all kinds of problems. And this is the hoax Trump was talking about. People constantly misrepresent what other people say.

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

So he wasn't saying the threat was overblown? Here's what he said.

According to many health professionals even today, it is overblown. Whether they are right or wrong is yet to be seen. But in what you quoted above, he never called it a hoax.

 

[GT_EE78]

I'm honestly confused. Further up in this thread you said everyone in the administration was counseling extreme caution. Now you say he was correct to say it is no big deal. Supersize is arguing that he said the threat was overblown because the experts told him that, but I only think he said the threat was overblown because I watch CNN.

Just go away if you're going to keep up this crap. I hope mods will start with some like 3 day suspensions to keep this nonsense down

 

[slugboy]

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[RonJohn]

Everything is closing:
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Schools
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Waiting on more

 

[Deleted member 2897]

I didn't say it was the president's fault. I said that we have had a poor response. We as in this country.

Yea this is really tough stuff (what should we have done differently).

I was thinking about this last night. The only way to really keep the disease out is to shut down all international travel. But we couldn't do that because Americans abroad on vacations and everything else would be stuck. Shutting down travel from just China helps, but that's not the answer - many of them fled to Italy and then came here and infected people in Italy came here. We shut off air travel and then people will fly to Mexico City and drive home.

The next thing is testing and quarantines. One of the things I've annoyed people with, is my insistence that in terms of where we are right now, whether we've tested 1500 people or 5000 it shouldn't make a difference. Shouldn't. Because either way, people were supposed to have quarantined themselves for 14 days. (And we've now seen some people carry the virus symptom-free for over 30 days.) As we now know, many people violated that. So whether they had tested positive or were presumed positive, the only way to have stopped that community spread was a military or police enforced quarantine like what we did to the people we brought in from China and from cruise ships. Can we enforce by force quarantines? Should we?

What about the lawyer in New York who infected an entire town because he never went to the doctor? What about another guy who feels the same, doesn't probably have the coronavirus but is sick with the regular flu or a cold - do we by force quarantine him? These things are one of the trade offs of living in a free society.

These are some of the questions we need to answer, because what happens if down the road we get hit with a similar disease in scope and spread, but one that has a 50% mortality rate? We need to learn everything we can right now and make decisions in advance of the next issue so its a process to follow as much as is possible, that everybody has agreed on in advance.

 

[slugboy]

Down goes the XFL

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[mts315]

Yea this is really tough stuff (what should we have done differently).

I was thinking about this last night. The only way to really keep the disease out is to shut down all international travel. But we couldn't do that because Americans abroad on vacations and everything else would be stuck. Shutting down travel from just China helps, but that's not the answer - many of them fled to Italy and then came here and infected people in Italy came here. We shut off air travel and then people will fly to Mexico City and drive home.

The next thing is testing and quarantines. One of the things I've annoyed people with, is my insistence that in terms of where we are right now, whether we've tested 1500 people or 5000 it shouldn't make a difference. Shouldn't. Because either way, people were supposed to have quarantined themselves for 14 days. (And we've now seen some people carry the virus symptom-free for over 30 days.) As we now know, many people violated that. So whether they had tested positive or were presumed positive, the only way to have stopped that community spread was a military or police enforced quarantine like what we did to the people we brought in from China and from cruise ships. Can we enforce by force quarantines? Should we?

What about the lawyer in New York who infected an entire town because he never went to the doctor? What about another guy who feels the same, doesn't probably have the coronavirus but is sick with the regular flu or a cold - do we by force quarantine him? These things are one of the trade offs of living in a free society.

These are some of the questions we need to answer, because what happens if down the road we get hit with a similar disease in scope and spread, but one that has a 50% mortality rate? We need to learn everything we can right now and make decisions in advance of the next issue so its a process to follow as much as is possible, that everybody has agreed on in advance.

Excellent post. I think the main thing I take away from this is the testing procedures. I think it has been reported the CDC rejected the WHO's help in testing as the CDC said we would make our own test.

I don't think we could have shut down our society any faster or better. Mainly because of the stupidity of our average citizens, not the government.

I will say that if I owned an independent lab and could test for Covid-19, I would, FDA/CDC be damned. They would have to come shut me down.