CFP Discussion

[rfjeff9]

True, but they have the Florida game, which he played in and threw for 134 yard and they "only" beat a 5-7 Florida team 24-15. So, he wasn't Cardell Jones at OSU.

If they beat a bad Florida team, with their backup QB, by three touchdowns, maybe they get in. I don't think anyone could argue that they are the same team without their start QB, even if the backup is serviceable. No one wants to see a team with their backup QB get beat in the playoffs when there are better options out there. In the end, it IS a beauty contest and a TV show. Just like it has always been.

Yeah but didn't Alabama need a miracle 4th and forever play to beat a really bad Auburn team on that same day?

Also would like to point out again, talking heads on ESPN were already pushing "Alabama if they won" before either SEC or ACC games had begun. So saying it had anything to do with FSU performance on the field isn't entirely accurate.

There was just no way the SEC was going to be left out. The FSU QB situation just provided the committee the excuse they needed.

 

[CEB]

And again, if we just shrug and say it's a TV show then it makes sense. Those who want a playoff also want the team that persevered through adversity to get their due shot. A team that wins in spite of adversity is displaying strength, not weakness. Therein is the difference. It's an injustice not to let the undefeated team who fought through adversity into the playoff because of what some may "think" might happen. Let the team play - we may be surprised what happens.

The shocking upset is the most exciting part of any playoff…. Would any outcome in the current top four be as fun as FSU pulling off a miracle win over Michigan? I’m not crying for FSU (they are instrumental in the bed that has been made) but as I’ve said before, the “playoff” moniker is BS. Its a made for TV “Post Season College Football Jamboree” (PSCFbJ). 12 teams won’t change that, either.

 

[GTLorenzo]

And again, if we just shrug and say it's a TV show then it makes sense. Those who want a playoff also want the team that persevered through adversity to get their due shot. A team that wins in spite of adversity is displaying strength, not weakness. Therein is the difference. It's an injustice not to let the undefeated team who fought through adversity into the playoff because of what some may "think" might happen. Let the team play - we may be surprised what happens.

Possibly, but again, the committee and tv don't really care if FSU is without their star player. It's about eyeballs and money. It's not a real playoff. Did they deserve to be there? Maybe. Are they one of the 4 best teams right now without their star QB? No. That's it.

 

[CEB]

Also would like to point out again, talking heads on ESPN were already pushing "Alabama if they won" before either SEC or ACC games had begun. So saying it had anything to do with FSU performance on the field isn't is entirely inaccurate.

There was just no way the SEC was going to be left out. The FSU QB situation just provided the committee the excuse they needed.

Quoted for truth with a shade of added emphasis.

 

[stinger78]

Possibly, but again, the committee and tv don't really care if FSU is without their star player. It's about eyeballs and money. It's not a real playoff. Did they deserve to be there? Maybe. Are they one of the 4 best teams right now without their star QB? No. That's it.

You don't know that. That's the problem. You are making a big assumption based on the performance of a QB who won't be playing. In the process, you are denying FSU's perfect season a chance to play out in real time based on your hunch. The solution: They earned it so let them enjoy what they earned and see if they can do it. I think it would have provided a significant amount of TV drama myself.

 

[GTLorenzo]

Yeah but didn't Alabama need a miracle 4th and forever play to beat a really bad Auburn team on that same day?

Also would like to point out again, talking heads on ESPN were already pushing "Alabama if they won" before either SEC or ACC games had begun. So saying it had anything to do with FSU performance on the field isn't entirely accurate.

There was just no way the SEC was going to be left out. The FSU QB situation just provided the committee the excuse they needed.

The shocking upset is the most exciting part of any playoff…. Would any outcome in the current top four be as fun as FSU pulling off a miracle win over Michigan? I’m not crying for FSU (they are instrumental in the bed that has been made) but as I’ve said before, the “playoff” moniker is BS. Its a made for TV “Post Season College Football Jamboree” (PSCFbJ). 12 teams won’t change that, either.

Sure, upsets are great and exciting, if your team has all of their players. Given the opportunity to put them in, the committee said, "no, without their star QB, we don't want another UGa/TCU game."

If the rule was, Power 5 undefeated champion automatically gets in, then their in. It doesn't say that, so 12 people in a 5 star resort in TX get to decide who is in. Next year, most of this will be alleviated. Will there be some argument over 12/13 getting in? Maybe.

It sucks for FSU. But they aren't the same team they were 3 or 4 weeks ago and the committee wanted the best four teams. They most likely got the 4 best teams as of right now.

 

[bobongo]

It's about eyeballs and money. It's not a real playoff.

And that's the whole problem, it isn't a real playoff, though it purports to be.

 

[GTLorenzo]

You don't know that. That's the problem. You are making a big assumption based on the performance of a QB who won't be playing. In the process, you are denying FSU's perfect season a chance to play out in real time based on your hunch. The solution: They earned it so let them enjoy what they earned and see if they can do it. I think provides a significant amount of TV drama myself.

Ok.

The committee doesn't care. They don't want to risk a blowout when they have 4 teams that are better than FSU without their star QB right now. Would it make a great story if they got in and won? Yes. But they have no right to get in. This is the system we've chosen. Their QB doesn't get hurt, they're in.

It's a tv show. It's not a real playoff. 12 people are deciding who gets in. Not wins and losses and set criteria.

 

[GTLorenzo]

And that's the whole problem, it isn't a real playoff, though it purports to be.

Right. And when people realize this, they won't be so upset. If you want a real playoff, get all of the players together and set up criteria for a "real" playoff and then everyone is happy. Until then, it is random based on likely TV ratings and match ups.

 

[stinger78]

Sure, upsets are great and exciting, if your team has all of their players. Given the opportunity to put them in, the committee said, "no, without their star QB, we don't want another UGa/TCU game."

If the rule was, Power 5 undefeated champion automatically gets in, then their in. It doesn't say that, so 12 people in a 5 star resort in TX get to decide who is in. Next year, most of this will be alleviated. Will there be some argument over 12/13 getting in? Maybe.

It sucks for FSU. But they aren't the same team they were 3 or 4 weeks ago and the committee wanted the best four teams. They most likely got the 4 best teams as of right now.

Then the season doesn't matter. It's just who we want, with "we" being the "committee" of ESPN's choosing to carry their water. A TV extravaganza!!!

When an undefeated team who overcame major adversity to finish 13-0, because they didn't finish off a bad UF team in style, gets bumped for a team who *lost* a game, and *with their starter* needed a last second hail Mary to beat a bad Auburn team, you know there is a misalignment of goals. A football team's goal is to win all its games. The "playoff's" (sic) goals are to feed the college football trolls - the SECheat.

You're making a value judgement that is an unproven opinion and penalizing an undefeated team as a result. You. Don't. Know. What. FSU. Would. Do.

 

[bobongo]

Right. And when people realize this, they won't be so upset. If you want a real playoff, get all of the players together and set up criteria for a "real" playoff and then everyone is happy. Until then, it is random based on likely TV ratings and match ups.

No, they shouldn't portray it as a playoff. If it's going to be a beauty contest, they should just go back to the old bowl system. They're ruining college football with this phony nonsense.

 

[GTLorenzo]

Then the season doesn't matter. It's just who we want, with "we" being the "committee" of ESPN's choosing to carry their water. A TV extravaganza!!!

When an undefeated team who overcame major adversity to finish 13-0, because they didn't finish off a bad UF team in style, gets bumped for a team who *lost* a game, and *with their starter* needed a last second hail Mary to beat a bad Auburn team, you know there is a misalignment of goals. A football team's goal is to win all its games. The "playoff's" (sic) goals are to feed the college football trolls - the SECheat.

Exactly! Glad we're finally on the same page!

Of course, we could go back and look at FSU's games they could've lost as well. BC? Clemson? Miami? They could've lost any of those. Same with Bama until they "found" their QB. Same with Uga, etc. The top 5-7 teams were all pretty even this year and most any of them could likely have beaten any of the others. If FSU has their QB, they're likely in and Bama is likely out. That leg injury gave the committee a reason not to invite them.

 

[bobongo]

You're making a value judgement that is an unproven opinion and penalizing an undefeated team as a result. You. Don't. Know. What. FSU. Would. Do.

I agree. I think it's a poor judgement to assume FSU couldn't win in the playoffs because their starting QB is out. With that defense, that team could have won it all IMO.

 

[CEB]

They most likely got the 4 best teams as of right now.

Then why is Oregon out?
They destroyed everyone they played. They have two losses by a TOTAL of 6 points to the best team in the country (by nearly every measure… even though the committee somehow sees fit to seed them at 2).
This could go all day because the system has contradicted itself at every turn. Bottom line, It was a blatant move to include the SEC and they only way they could do it without completely unquestioned laughable impropriety was to put Tx in also.

To your overall point, the inclusion of the SEC IS all about $$$$ and TV eyeballs.

 

[GTLorenzo]

No, they shouldn't portray it as a playoff. If it's going to be a beauty contest, they should just go back to the old bowl system. They're ruining college football with this phony nonsense.

Likely true. It's not really a playoff. That's why I don't get why everyone is so upset. It's a tv show where they want the highest ratings and a wounded FSU isn't going to do that. Next year will likely be as close to a real playoff that we will have ever seen. Get into the top 12 at the end of the year and you're in and can go fight it out.

 

[GTLorenzo]

Then why is Oregon out?
They destroyed everyone they played. They have two losses by a TOTAL of 6 points to the best team in the country (by nearly every measure… even though the committee somehow sees fit to seed them at 2).
This could go all day because the system has contradicted itself at every turn. Bottom line, It was a blatant move to include the SEC and they only way they could do it without completely unquestioned laughable impropriety was to put Tx in also.

Ummm, they lost two games to a team that is in the CFP. They were even favored in the Pac-12 Championship game because everyone thought they were better than Washington. They weren't. Twice.

 

[bobongo]

Likely true. It's not really a playoff. That's why I don't get why everyone is so upset.

Because they claim it is. It's called the "College Football Playoff". If they called it the "ESPN Invitational Beauty Contest", I'd have no problem with it. But it's the playoff, and the winner is crowned the National Champion.

 

[leatherneckjacket]

Then why is Oregon out?
They destroyed everyone they played. They have two losses by a TOTAL of 6 points to the best team in the country (by nearly every measure… even though the committee somehow sees fit to seed them at 2).
This could go all day because the system has contradicted itself at every turn. Bottom line, It was a blatant move to include the SEC and they only way they could do it without completely unquestioned laughable impropriety was to put Tx in also.

Or Ohio State? One loss by six points on the road against the #1 team, destroyed all their cup cakes, beat two top 15 teams, PSU and Notre Dame (on the road).

 

[stinger78]

Exactly! Glad we're finally on the same page!

Of course, we could go back and look at FSU's games they could've lost as well. BC? Clemson? Miami? They could've lost any of those. Same with Bama until they "found" their QB. Same with Uga, etc. The top 5-7 teams were all pretty even this year and most any of them could likely have beaten any of the others. If FSU has their QB, they're likely in and Bama is likely out. That leg injury gave the committee a reason not to invite them.

Again, you're back to profoundly stating the obvious. This we agree on. Risk only enters this equation when a failure/fault can disrupt stakeholder goals. The stakeholders in this little endeavor clearly *do not* include the ACC (or P12 or B12), but clearly do include sEcSPN and the SECheat.

So please stop arguing that FSU didn't belong. They absolutely belonged in a 4-team playoff as one of CFB's 3 undefeated P5 conference champions. There is no "risk" in that. 3 teams have to lose. If they stink it up, they're just one of them.

Only when your goal is money does "risk" play in. That's what ESPN has done to college football.

 

[GTLorenzo]

Again, you're back to profoundly stating the obvious. This we agree on. Risk only enters this equation when a failure/fault can disrupt stakeholder goals. The stakeholders in this little endeavor are clearly *do not* include the ACC, but clearly do include sEcSPN and the SECheat.

So please stop arguing that FSU didn't belong. They absolutely belonged in a 4-team playoff as one of CFB's 3 undefeated P5 conference champions. There is no "risk" in that. 3 teams have to lose. If they stink it up, they're just one of them.

Only when your goal is money does "risk" play in. That's what ESPN has done to college football.

FSU didn't belong. They are not currently one of the 4 best teams in the country.