Not at all, but I think the alternatives are so ridiculously bad that they don't really have a choice. Though, to your point, the ACC will always gladly take an opportunity to screw over Tech.So you’re trusting the ACC to do what is right or makes sense? Especially when the schools are duke and tech?
Looks like second level (in certain spots) will be the only mildly viable seats if we get sent to this terrible idea. Second level seems high enough to see the game, unlike the first, and not a mile away, like the third. What a football atrocity. I hope we get anything but this.
To your point, I suspect TV revenue is 80-90% of the business case for most bowls, along with some ticket revenue guarantees from the conferences. Actual attendance above the guaranteed sales is just gravy. I could be wrong - perhaps someone more familiar with bowl finances can comment.I don't think fan attendance is going to be considered. Look at that. Kickoff, and maybe 5k people there.
Past low attendance at Pinstripe isn't proof that they don't factor in attendance. They consider it like this: If they put Georgia Tech in Tampa, there would be decent attendance from GT people. If they put Duke in Tampa, there would be poor attendance from Duke. If they put either team in New York, both would have poor attendance. Thus, they would typically put GT in Tampa and Duke in NYC so that one of the games has decent attendance. In other words, the low attendance for the Pinstripe Bowl is inevitable; but it isn't necessarily for other bowls. That's an oversimplification obviously, but y'all get my point.I don't think fan attendance is going to be considered. Look at that. Kickoff, and maybe 5k people there.
It’s really a terrible venue for a football game. Definitely need binoculars if attending.I don't think fan attendance is going to be considered. Look at that. Kickoff, and maybe 5k people there.
Agreed. If I had to guess, I would say BC-Pinstripe, Cuse-Fenway, Duke-Military. Again, I could be wrong...I feel like BC would make the most sense for the Pinstripe
Florida State | 8-0 | 12-0 |
Louisville | 7-1 | 10-2 |
NC State | 6-2 | 9-3 |
Georgia Tech | 5-3 | 6-6 |
Virginia Tech | 5-3 | 6-6 |
Clemson | 4-4 | 8-4 |
North Carolina | 4-4 | 8-4 |
Duke | 4-4 | 7-5 |
Miami | 3-5 | 7-5 |
Boston College | 3-5 | 6-6 |
Syracuse | 2-6 | 6-6 |
Except for FSU and Louisville, five teams have better overall records. I bet we end up in the Holiday Bowl.These are the ACC teams that are bowl eligible. Add Notre Dame to the list:
Florida State 8-0 12-0 Louisville 7-1 10-2 NC State 6-2 9-3 Georgia Tech 5-3 6-6 Virginia Tech 5-3 6-6 Clemson 4-4 8-4 North Carolina 4-4 8-4 Duke 4-4 7-5 Miami 3-5 7-5 Boston College 3-5 6-6 Syracuse 2-6 6-6
FSU and, maybe, UL are locked in to the either the CFP or NY6 bowls.
These are the ACC bowl tie ins and the order in which the bowls select the ACC team they want. Once FSU and UL are picked, the rest of the teams, including ND, can be picked in any order. In turn each bowl picks the team they want in their bowl based upon whatever criteria they choose. Conference standings and overall record are irrelevant except as a criteria the bowls can use if they wish.
Tier No. #1
Tier #2
- The Pop-Tarts Bowl versus Big 12
- The Gator Bowl versus SEC
- The Duke's Mayo Bowl versus SEC (odd-numbered years) or Big Ten (even-numbered years)
- The Sun Bowl versus Pac-12
- The Bad Boy Mowers Pinstripe Bowl versus Big Ten
- The Holiday Bowl versus Pac-12
- The Fenway Bowl versus the American Athletic
- The Military Bowl versus the American Athletic
- The Gasparilla Bowl versus SEC or AAC or Pac-12
- The Birmingham Bowl versus SEC or AAC
- The First Responder Bowl versus Big XII or C-USA or AAC
One correction: the bowls no longer "pick". The conferences and bowls work together to find suitable matchups.These are the ACC teams that are bowl eligible. Add Notre Dame to the list:
Florida State 8-0 12-0 Louisville 7-1 10-2 NC State 6-2 9-3 Georgia Tech 5-3 6-6 Virginia Tech 5-3 6-6 Clemson 4-4 8-4 North Carolina 4-4 8-4 Duke 4-4 7-5 Miami 3-5 7-5 Boston College 3-5 6-6 Syracuse 2-6 6-6
FSU and, maybe, UL are locked in to the either the CFP or NY6 bowls.
These are the ACC bowl tie ins and the order in which the bowls select the ACC team they want. Once FSU and UL are picked, the rest of the teams, including ND, can be picked in any order. In turn each bowl picks the team they want in their bowl based upon whatever criteria they choose. Conference standings and overall record are irrelevant except as a criteria the bowls can use if they wish.
Tier No. #1
Tier #2
- The Pop-Tarts Bowl versus Big 12
- The Gator Bowl versus SEC
- The Duke's Mayo Bowl versus SEC (odd-numbered years) or Big Ten (even-numbered years)
- The Sun Bowl versus Pac-12
- The Bad Boy Mowers Pinstripe Bowl versus Big Ten
- The Holiday Bowl versus Pac-12
- The Fenway Bowl versus the American Athletic
- The Military Bowl versus the American Athletic
- The Gasparilla Bowl versus SEC or AAC or Pac-12
- The Birmingham Bowl versus SEC or AAC
- The First Responder Bowl versus Big XII or C-USA or AAC
Highly unlikely. Clemson-Holiday, Miami-Sun, UNC/ND-Gator/Pop-Tarts is the most likely arrangment.Except for FSU and Louisville, five teams have better overall records. I bet we end up in the Holiday Bowl.
And that’s the screws the ACC always puts on us. Atlanta is only about 50 miles further to Charlotte than Blacksburg is.Duke hasn’t played in the Mayo bowl in 11 years, and it’s been 5 for VT. That seems to be one of the dominoes to cause others to fall.
NCST, UNC, Miami, Clemson, and Duke look likely to get picked ahead of us (better overall record, even though we’re 4th in conference)
I think that puts us in line for Pop Tarts (not gonna happen), Pinstripe, Fenway, Holiday, Mayo, or Military.
Sporting News gives Tiers (https://collegefootballnews.com/bow...es-affiliations-for-each-conference-2023-2024). We don’t really get to tell the Pinstripe bowl we’d rather play in Florida.
First Tier
– Bad Boy Mowers Pinstripe Bowl vs Big Ten
– Pop Tart Bowl vs Big 12
– Duke’s Mayo Bowl vs Big Ten
– Wasabi Fenway Bowl vs American Athletic
– Military Bowl Presented by Peraton vs American Athletic
– ReliaQuest Bowl vs SEC (or Big Ten)
– San Diego County Credit Union Holiday Bowl vs Pac-12
– TaxSlayer Gator Bowl vs SEC
– Tony the Tiger Sun Bowl vs Pac-12
Second Tier
– Union Home Mortgage Gasparilla Bowl vs AAC, Pac-12 or SEC
– TicketSmarter Birmingham Bowl vs SEC or AAC
– SERVPRO First Responder Bowl vs SEC or AAC or Pac-12
Short version: we won’t fall to Birmingham or Gasparilla. Charlotte doesn’t seem to be picking us. Even though Duke or VT would do well in the Northeast, one of them seems to be getting CLT. Pinstripe looks really likely.
The ACC has only a limited role. The commissioner is not campaigning for us to go to the “lowest bowl”, or else we’d get the Birmingham or Gasparilla bowls like many fans want.I'm a little confused. I need clarity on exactly which bowl invite equates to the biggest screw-job from the ACC... and which is the least? I already get it that the ACC WILL screw Ga Tech... no bowl invite can overcome that. I just need to know the level of pissed I need to be the moment the bowl is announced. Thanks in advance.
ESPN has a say as well in several Bowls. No doubt there has been lots of discussions among the Bowls, the ACC HQ, the ADs and the television networks already this week.The ACC has only a limited role. The commissioner is not campaigning for us to go to the “lowest bowl”, or else we’d get the Birmingham or Gasparilla bowls like many fans want.
If we don’t get Charlotte or the Gator Bowl, it’s because they preferred another team. We can campaign and influence, but what bowl we get is more related to how bowls perceive us than insidious ACC politics.
Bowl committees might be wrong about our attendance. However, it’s in the ACCs best interest to put as positive a spin as possible on the entire conference—including us.
Charlotte doesn’t pick NC teams because the ACC tells them to; it’s their preference.
If we had one more win, we’d be in a warm climate for the bowl. But, as it is, we get a bowl. Barely qualifying for a bowl is what we did, which limits which bowl we will get, and we still get a tier 1 ACC bowl (in New York, probably)
Right about now? Been stinging for months. I try to take solice in fact Miami win was a GIFT. ...but it actually doesn't work that way. The shoulda coulda woulda valve is a one-way apparatus.The bc and bowling green losses sting right about now
I find it best to always beI already get it that the ACC WILL screw Ga Tech... no bowl invite can overcome that. I just need to know the level of pissed I need to be the moment the bowl is announced. Thanks in advance.