iceeater1969
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I think this happens a lot at gt.
Recruiting has to keep improving.
Recruiting has to keep improving.
AlabamaBuzz
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I don't think "none on defense" is that surprising, although I do believe ASA deserved consideration for sure. The D was plain and simple awful this year, other than the takeaway stat. As I sit here and think about it, we won as a team, and I really don't think anyone other than Pressley and Parker should have been chosen.
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The difference in Renfrow is simply that he wins. He extends drives. Possessions. And at 5-10 or so and maybe 180 pounds, he is the best WR blocker in the ACC. (In one game, I forget against whom but it was while Lawrence was hurt, they ran him in as QB as a possibility. He handed off on the option and when it reversed, led the downfield blocking. If we are picking teams based on stats and not on winning and leadership, then hide the names and pick the highest number at each position. Nah. Any team that leaves him off the first 11 is no "all" team.
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Nothing like going unbeaten to collect all-star votes, is there? Clemson is deep, but that deep?
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ASA is deserving if you ask me.
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And, that is what I said, basically. "ASA deserved consideration for sure". I think he might have been punished to some degree for our overall terrible D. But, I also have to say I have not watched all of the other guys he was up against. My guess is that it was very close. If he was not at least honorable mention, that is sad.
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I think our RB production is often considered a product of the system rather than the results of individual effort.
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Besides our Punter and one OL man, our staff can neither find nor coach a guy up to the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or Honorable Mention teams?
Wow - what horrific recruiting and coaching across the board in year 11 of the CPJ Era.
Wow - what horrific recruiting and coaching across the board in year 11 of the CPJ Era.
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which is accurate, considering the volume of work our backfield gets.
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On defense, outside of Anree St Amour, I can't really think of anyone else that stood out on our defense as a consistently good player that could be up for All ACC. There's a case ASA should have at least made honorable mention. Everyone else...well, just look how well our defense played all year.
On offense:
QB: No way TQM had a better season than the 3 QBs that made 1st-3rd team All ACC. If you'd like to argue otherwise, please step away from your computer and argue with the mirror.
RB: Again, see above. Our BBs split time and stats, so they both took away from each other. Our ABs are basically hybrid RBs/Slot WRs and none of them put up really strong numbers compared to standard RBs and WRs.
WR: Our best WR had 15 receptions and 3 TDs. Can't argue much about this position group.
OL: Our best OL, Braun, made 1st team. Others can argue whether anyone else on the line deserved to be All ACC, but I didn't see any consistency from anyone other than Braun.
Special Teams: Harvin made 2nd Team, and you're really splitting hairs about 1st and 2nd team. As another poster mentioned, Syracuse's punter is also really good. There's a case that Wesley Wells could have been HM or even 3rd team, but our early season struggles may have tainted his candidacy. I have no doubt Wells will be in the conversation next season as he's established his reputation this year.
IMO, outside of a few cases, it's really hard to argue that GT got shafted. There's just a BUNCH of really good players in the ACC.
On offense:
QB: No way TQM had a better season than the 3 QBs that made 1st-3rd team All ACC. If you'd like to argue otherwise, please step away from your computer and argue with the mirror.
RB: Again, see above. Our BBs split time and stats, so they both took away from each other. Our ABs are basically hybrid RBs/Slot WRs and none of them put up really strong numbers compared to standard RBs and WRs.
WR: Our best WR had 15 receptions and 3 TDs. Can't argue much about this position group.
OL: Our best OL, Braun, made 1st team. Others can argue whether anyone else on the line deserved to be All ACC, but I didn't see any consistency from anyone other than Braun.
Special Teams: Harvin made 2nd Team, and you're really splitting hairs about 1st and 2nd team. As another poster mentioned, Syracuse's punter is also really good. There's a case that Wesley Wells could have been HM or even 3rd team, but our early season struggles may have tainted his candidacy. I have no doubt Wells will be in the conversation next season as he's established his reputation this year.
IMO, outside of a few cases, it's really hard to argue that GT got shafted. There's just a BUNCH of really good players in the ACC.
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This. He's the best kept secret in the league.
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5277hike
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I guess thats why we ended up dead last in the ACC this year.
Oh wait, you mean we were tied for fourth? How can that be?
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losses to a weak Duke team and an avg. PITT team, for starters. Tied for 4th in the worst ACC in a decade ain't something to brag about.
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True. We should have beat these teams and finished with the second best record in the ACC with these crappy recruits.
5277hike
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I get it now. We are crappy recruiters and have crappy coaches, but most everyone else we are competing with is just worse than us. Makes sense now.
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Removing Clemson from the conversation, who was better than us in the ACC this year? Syracuse? BC? Possibly but they're both unknowns.
Duke wasn't. They got boatraced by Wake.
Pitt wasn't. They got curb-stomped by Miami.
We beat every other ACC team we faced so they weren't.
I've never seen anyone make the claim that CPJ was a good recruiter and, for the most part, players don't generally improve playing for us. Those are failures of recruiting and coaching. Just because we had enough talent to finish 4th in a bad conference doesn't mean we were talented. These post-season honors (or near-complete lack thereof) back that up.
I hope it makes sense now.
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So the coach is the reason we suck, but is not the reason we are potentially better than the rest of the ACC? If our talent is dreadful due to the coach, why did the team end up in fourth? At the end of the day, the ACC "sucks" because we are a competitive league where the teams are all about equal apart from Clemson and Louisville. We should be comparing ourselves with our contemporaries first. We certainly aren't strong division, but apart from Alabama and UGA, the SEC looks really weak this year too. The PAC South was atrocious, and the B1g West was legitimately bad.
No, I really don't understand your logic.
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I think he has been drinking his whiskey clear tonight and a lot of it.
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Hated might be the right depiction... overlooked or marginalized would be perhaps more descriptive...and I don't know why...GT is the most hated team in the ACC by other teams and the sports media