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BurdellJacket said:
Where is the paranoia now? So it's going to last to what? A vaccination? To perpetuity?
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Things can start getting close to normal when the spread is small, well contained and well tracked. It can be done. It is being done all over the world. Some countries have it controlled enough to have sports with fans. Mask up and avoid gatherings a little while longer. When the cases go down to a manageable level, theh can be tracked and contained with testing.
 
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Heisman's Ghost said:
You know it doesn't do a damn bit of good right? A boy down the street from me was 18 years old and died of COVID. He had sickle cell anemia so while tragic, it was understandable. You are ridiculous for trying to virtue signal this masking nonsense. The country is blowing up in spite of people like me who pay taxes, work for a living and obey the laws.
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Tell that to all the countries who aren’t self centered and worried about their “freedoms” being taken by wearing a MF mask. But there is no reasoning with people sometimes so I’ll leave it be and go back to us being fans of the same team now. I usually don’t speak up much on non football related issues on here anyways.

Go Jackets...
 
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RamblinRed said:
It's definitely not panic porn, just accurate numbers giving a sense of where we are today (not where we have to be tomorrow).

It's also not run away we're going to die - just the opposite, i'd like to run towards it and deal with it head on. Unfortunately we have had too many leaders at the Federal, State and local level who have run away from it and tried to pretend it would just disappear on its own rather than dealing with it and making it go away. That has caused our current situation where most countries are becoming less restrictive and we are getting more restrictive.

I'm not panicked, i'm disappointed about how many more Americans are going to have to die because we don't want to deal with this in an intelligent and strategic manner.

Deaths have increased significantly this week - that is simply a fact. It doesn't mean we are going to have the same daily death totals as we did in late March/April - the lower infection mortality rate should help with that. But they are likely to rise for at least the next few weeks as they represent a 4-5 week lag from what has occurred.
Hospitalizations have increased by huge amounts and are now at their highest point since May 2. That is simply a fact. And they will get worse before it gets better as the hospitalizations won't decrease until the cases and positive case rate decrease.

We should be looking at what has happened elsewhere around the world- this isn't a US problem, its a world wide problem. We need to look at what best practices have worked and then have a strategic plan for which of those best practices makes sense for the US. Then we need to implement those plans and measure the results. And then make changes if some of those strategies don't work until we get ahead of this virus.

If people are posting inaccurate info then I may choose to correct that info. The more accurate information we have the better decisions we can make, the fewer lives we have to lose, and the quicker we get our economy going again and get to a new normal.
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How do you know the numbers are accurate? And what do they really mean? I've posted why many state numbers on hospitalization are different than the CDC's, and it's pretty clear the state numbers are intended to mislead (or cause panic).

I'll leave you with this set of numbers: about 10% more people have died from pneumonia since 2/1/20 than from Covid 19. The data by age group for each disease is about 1:1. Source: CDC. Both are communicable diseases.

Pneumonia didn't just start this year. Why all the panic for Covid 19, when we haven't been equally concerned about pneumonia in the past?

If you believe this media attention is all about Covid 19, I have a nice inventory of bridges to sell you cheaply. Looks like there are other candidates on this board for my inventory, so you better move quickly.
 

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How do you know the numbers are accurate? And what do they really mean? I've posted why many state numbers on hospitalization are different than the CDC's, and it's pretty clear the state numbers are intended to mislead (or cause panic).

I'll leave you with this set of numbers: about 10% more people have died from pneumonia since 2/1/20 than from Covid 19. The data by age group for each disease is about 1:1. Source: CDC. Both are communicable diseases.

Pneumonia didn't just start this year. Why all the panic for Covid 19, when we haven't been equally concerned about pneumonia in the past?

If you believe this media attention is all about Covid 19, I have a nice inventory of bridges to sell you cheaply. Looks like there are other candidates on this board for my inventory, so you better move quickly.
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I don't know why we're having this discussion here, rather than in the COVID thread. But since this seems to be the status quo these days, you do realize that pneumonia is a complication of COVID, do you not? So how many of the pneumonia deaths since 2/1 have been COVID related but not diagnosed as COVID because they didn't have a positive test due to a complete failure in testing capability by the leaders of this country? Do you have a comparison of how many people have died of pneumonia so far this year compared to a 5 or 10 year average? If we're tracking on that average, I'd agree with you, but until I see the numbers...

Also, from what I have read, COVID has also been related to heart issues, stroke, etc., especially in younger people. So if someone dies of a stroke, do they test them for COVID? I would say that the numbers are all inaccurate. There are many more cases of COVID than are reported. There are many more deaths due to COVID than are reported. However, the death rate (COVID deaths/COVID cases) as a percentage is probably much lower than reported, as I suspect there are a lot more unreported COVID cases than there are unreported COVID deaths.
 
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CINCYMETJACKET said:
I don't know why we're having this discussion here, rather than in the COVID thread. But since this seems to be the status quo these days, you do realize that pneumonia is a complication of COVID, do you not? So how many of the pneumonia deaths since 2/1 have been COVID related but not diagnosed as COVID because they didn't have a positive test due to a complete failure in testing capability by the leaders of this country? Do you have a comparison of how many people have died of pneumonia so far this year compared to a 5 or 10 year average? If we're tracking on that average, I'd agree with you, but until I see the numbers...

Also, from what I have read, COVID has also been related to heart issues, stroke, etc., especially in younger people. So if someone dies of a stroke, do they test them for COVID? I would say that the numbers are all inaccurate. There are many more cases of COVID than are reported. There are many more deaths due to COVID than are reported. However, the death rate (COVID deaths/COVID cases) as a percentage is probably much lower than reported, as I suspect there are a lot more unreported COVID cases than there are unreported COVID deaths.
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Although it won't prevent Covid, my pulmonary specialist said that getting a pneumonia shot is highly effective in fighting the virus if you get it.
 

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RamblinRed said:
It's definitely not panic porn, just accurate numbers giving a sense of where we are today (not where we have to be tomorrow).

It's also not run away we're going to die - just the opposite, i'd like to run towards it and deal with it head on. Unfortunately we have had too many leaders at the Federal, State and local level who have run away from it and tried to pretend it would just disappear on its own rather than dealing with it and making it go away. That has caused our current situation where most countries are becoming less restrictive and we are getting more restrictive.

I'm not panicked, i'm disappointed about how many more Americans are going to have to die because we don't want to deal with this in an intelligent and strategic manner.

Deaths have increased significantly this week - that is simply a fact. It doesn't mean we are going to have the same daily death totals as we did in late March/April - the lower infection mortality rate should help with that. But they are likely to rise for at least the next few weeks as they represent a 4-5 week lag from what has occurred.
Hospitalizations have increased by huge amounts and are now at their highest point since May 2. That is simply a fact. And they will get worse before it gets better as the hospitalizations won't decrease until the cases and positive case rate decrease.

We should be looking at what has happened elsewhere around the world- this isn't a US problem, its a world wide problem. We need to look at what best practices have worked and then have a strategic plan for which of those best practices makes sense for the US. Then we need to implement those plans and measure the results. And then make changes if some of those strategies don't work until we get ahead of this virus.

If people are posting inaccurate info then I may choose to correct that info. The more accurate information we have the better decisions we can make, the fewer lives we have to lose, and the quicker we get our economy going again and get to a new normal.
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Most people would say Sweden’s strategy was a disaster. Their total deaths today 0.

In the current situation you can really only do one thing live life as it was with certain modifications and protect the most vulnerable. If you are significantly overweight and younger you probably need to face the fact you are in the at risk population. The other at risk are clearly defined underlying medical conditions like diabetes or copd and people over 65.

I know everyone has an opinion.

Personally on the main topic I think the ACC’s concept of a home and home is smart. You work with the other schools in your pod to make sure everyone is safe. The trust factor between schools is great.

Do I trust the SEC or UGA to do the right thing? No I do not.


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most people have no idea what is actually happening in Sweden.They are in good shape.Climate,etc. has best Covid thread around,GT ex professor J. Curry does great job!
 

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CINCYMETJACKET said:
I don't know why we're having this discussion here, rather than in the COVID thread. But since this seems to be the status quo these days, you do realize that pneumonia is a complication of COVID, do you not? So how many of the pneumonia deaths since 2/1 have been COVID related but not diagnosed as COVID because they didn't have a positive test due to a complete failure in testing capability by the leaders of this country? Do you have a comparison of how many people have died of pneumonia so far this year compared to a 5 or 10 year average? If we're tracking on that average, I'd agree with you, but until I see the numbers...

Also, from what I have read, COVID has also been related to heart issues, stroke, etc., especially in younger people. So if someone dies of a stroke, do they test them for COVID? I would say that the numbers are all inaccurate. There are many more cases of COVID than are reported. There are many more deaths due to COVID than are reported. However, the death rate (COVID deaths/COVID cases) as a percentage is probably much lower than reported, as I suspect there are a lot more unreported COVID cases than there are unreported COVID deaths.
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The CDC website is very easy to misinterpret since they don't do a great job explaining their pages in layman terms.
The Pneumonia numbers include COVID19 counts. This chart shows P&I (Pneumonia & Influenza) number from 2018 through 2020. CDC has said there has been no spike in influenza numbers this year so the huge spike you see in the red line is the COVID19 affect. They actually renamed it PIC in April.

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Since i'm partially rsponsible for getting this thread off track i'll try to get it back on track.
National Junior College Association is expected to announce tomorrow that they are moving Junior College football to the spring.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...ason-moving-to-spring-amid-covid-19-pandemic/

I'm with Bobongo on one thing. I'll take whatever college football I can get this year. I know at this point it won't be a full season, and we are looking unlikely to get any fans in the stands, but i'll take what I can get.

The first Top 5 European League game with fans occurred Sunday in France. 5,000 fans were allowed to attend.
https://apnews.com/4311a10e308a7c76...&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP_Sports
 
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RamblinRed said:
The CDC website is very easy to misinterpret since they don't do a great job explaining their pages in layman terms.
The Pneumonia numbers include COVID19 counts. This chart shows P&I (Pneumonia & Influenza) number from 2018 through 2020. CDC has said there has been no spike in influenza numbers this year so the huge spike you see in the red line is the COVID19 affect. They actually renamed it PIC in April.

NCHS27_small.gif
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LOL . more panic porn,,, you should take it to the covid thread rather than polluting this one further.
 
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RamblinRed said:
Since i'm partially rsponsible for getting this thread off track i'll try to get it back on track.
National Junior College Association is expected to announce tomorrow that they are moving Junior College football to the spring.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...ason-moving-to-spring-amid-covid-19-pandemic/

I'm with Bobongo on one thing. I'll take whatever college football I can get this year. I know at this point it won't be a full season, and we are looking unlikely to get any fans in the stands, but i'll take what I can get.

The first Top 5 European League game with fans occurred Sunday in France. 5,000 fans were allowed to attend.
https://apnews.com/4311a10e308a7c76...&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP_Sports
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I attended an NFL game in Duesseldorf years ago. There's a good fanbase in Europe. 5K must have been a quiet stadium.
 
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