ACC Bowl Discussion

[stinger78]

I parsed this data a little more. I knew the SEC had an edge, but I thought the ACC’s numbers would be a little better.

SEC Top vs ACC Top: 21-12
SEC Middle vs ACC Middle: 14-6
SEC Bottom vs ACC Bottom: 18-14

SEC Top vs ACC Middle: 20-5
ACC Top vs SEC Middle: 18-14

SEC Top vs ACC Bottom: 16-0
ACC Top vs SEC Bottom: 17-5

SEC middle vs ACC Bottom: 18-7
ACC middle vs SEC Bottom: 21-14

Now parse how the SEC top does against its own middle and bottom.

 

[4shotB]

Now parse how the SEC top does against its own middle and bottom.

Without crunching any numbers, I suspect that they would fare pretty well. We will withhold final judgement however until we see the actual data. I wonder if the top of the ACC performs well against the middle and bottom of our conference?

 

[stinger78]

Without crunching any numbers, I suspect that they would fare pretty well. We will withhold final judgement however until we see the actual data. I wonder if the top of the ACC performs well against the middle and bottom of our conference?

I think you missed my point? If you wade through my post above, you’ll see that GT does better against UGAg than the other SEC teams they play them do. Yet, we are part of the reason that the ACC is considered weak vis. The SEC.

 

[Richard7125]

Guys......click on the link that 1967 posted. I used that data. Feel free to remove the data points you don't like.

 

[4shotB]

I think you missed my point? If you wade through my post above, you’ll see that GT does better against UGAg than the other SEC teams they play them do. Yet, we are part of the reason that the ACC is considered weak vis. The SEC.

I think the aggregate data that Richard posted has more meaning in the context of this conversation fwiw. Other than that I was just having some fun. I am unsure how the data you requested is of much value to the league comparison. I think Richard’s data is much more valuable. Shout out to Richard for doing the work. Most of us are too lazy to!!!

 

[UgaBlows]

The average fan and media person are not drilling down to see GT’s win% against uga vs the rest of the sec over the last 10 years, or any of this other data or detail- all people care about is wins, bowl wins, head-to-head matchups etc, and their memory is short, 2-3 years is probably the relevance for the public‘s perception.

 

[forensicbuzz]

The average fan and media person are not drilling down to see GT’s win% against uga vs the rest of the sec over the last 10 years, or any of this other data or detail- all people care about is wins, bowl wins, head-to-head matchups etc, and their memory is short, 2-3 years is probably the relevance for the public‘s perception.

But the people voting in the polls aren't average fans and should know better.

I agree with what everyone is saying about perception. My only point is just because that perception is there doesn't mean it's earned (it might be). I think the SEC plays more games against the ACC than any other conference, so there's more data. But, I'd be interested to see how those same comparisons between conferences turn out for both the ACC and SEC against the B1G, B12, and P12.

 

[LT 1967]

But the people voting in the polls aren't average fans and should know better.

I agree with what everyone is saying about perception. My only point is just because that perception is there doesn't mean it's earned (it might be). I think the SEC plays more games against the ACC than any other conference, so there's more data. But, I'd be interested to see how those same comparisons between conferences turn out for both the ACC and SEC against the B1G, B12, and P12.

Refer to my post on the previous page. The data shows the SEC record against the Power 5 from 1998 to present. Plus each game played if you scroll down.

 

[forensicbuzz]

I think the analysis below may shed some light on our current conversation concerning the ACC versus the SEC. This is a pretty detailed summary covering the last 25 years. This shows each SEC team's record against all conferences including the ACC. This even goes so far as to cover every game during this period starting in 1998.

Without going into a lot of detail, the ACC has won 101 times out of 240 games against the SEC which is 42%. Not too bad. However, I believe the issue comes down to the ACC record against the SEC's top teams. The ACC teams do pretty well against the bottom half of the SEC teams, but the ACC doesn't do very well against the top 7 or 8 shown on the spreadsheet. Scroll down to see detail showing every team's record.

SEC vs Other Conferences - topdan.com

Complete list of the SEC's inter-conference football games since 1998 (the BCS and playoff eras).

topdan.com

Okay, the data is a little weird. They have Ole Miss and Missouri listed as "middle" for their comparisons in 2024. How many people would actually say Ole Miss this year wasn't one of the SEC's top teams? They were in the Top20 all year long. They also have Vandy as "bottom," which I would not consider them to be this year (they are most years).

 

[gtbeak]

Okay, the data is a little weird. They have Ole Miss and Missouri listed as "middle" for their comparisons in 2024. How many people would actually say Ole Miss this year wasn't one of the SEC's top teams? They were in the Top20 all year long. They also have Vandy as "bottom," which I would not consider them to be this year (they are most years).

They also have over 50% of the Big 10 schools listed as "bottom" for the 2024 season. Their definitions of top/middle/bottom need some work. It may not change the takeaway, but it clearly needs some tweaking. In 2022 they had 9 of the 14 ACC schools listed as "bottom".

 

[LT 1967]

Okay, the data is a little weird. They have Ole Miss and Missouri listed as "middle" for their comparisons in 2024. How many people would actually say Ole Miss this year wasn't one of the SEC's top teams? They were in the Top20 all year long. They also have Vandy as "bottom," which I would not consider them to be this year (they are most years).

I am not sure how they assigned the positions, but looking at the SEC 2024 records shown in the attachment Vandy was fifth from the bottom out of 16, so bottom 1/3 approximately. I agree on Missouri and Ole Miss.

2024 SEC Standings - College Football

Full standings for the 2024 SEC season, including wins, losses, points for and against and team streak. Find out the latest standings information for your favorite College Football team on CBSSports.com.

www.cbssports.com

 

[Root4GT]

Therein lies the problem. There has to be a legitimate formula for evaluating (guessing) preseason strength of teams and yet the system continually fails. An obvious example is when a team performed well in the previous year, yet has lost many of their key players, but they get the benefit of the doubt because “it’s a strong program.” These “re-loading” teams can get a top 10 preseason ranking and it requires them losing at least three games before they fall out of favor. I could go on but I’m preaching to the choir.

Classic GT - there must be a formula for everything. Of course there is no formula that works for preseason rankings in college football. Heck the post season formulas are not very good either and they at least have 12 games worth of data.

Until the ACC Teams actually start winning OOC games against "perceived" good teams and stop losing to "perceived" bad teams the narrative that the ACC sucks in football will prevail!

 

[Root4GT]

I think you missed my point? If you wade through my post above, you’ll see that GT does better against UGAg than the other SEC teams they play them do. Yet, we are part of the reason that the ACC is considered weak vis. The SEC.

You mean we lose less badly. LOL - the past 2 years we have been decent and then very competitive against UGA. How many in a row have we now lost? When was the last time we won in Atlanta? Come on, GT vs UGA was truly competitive this year for the first time since CPJ's early years! GT needs to actually Beat Georgia!

 

[stinger78]

Okay, the data is a little weird. They have Ole Miss and Missouri listed as "middle" for their comparisons in 2024. How many people would actually say Ole Miss this year wasn't one of the SEC's top teams? They were in the Top20 all year long. They also have Vandy as "bottom," which I would not consider them to be this year (they are most years).

And this is why I don’t like data like that which Richard showed. It requires too much subjectivity: Who is top, middle, or bottom? Also, those teams change around too much.

I’d much rather analyze a consistent set of teams over a span of years and see how they relate to perception. My analysis does that.

 

[Root4GT]

And this is why I don’t like data like that which Richard showed. It requires too much subjectivity: Who is top, middle, or bottom? Also, those teams change around too much.

I’d much rather analyze a consistent set of teams over a span of years and see how they relate to perception. My analysis does that.

Can you relink your analysis.

 

[UgaBlows]

But the people voting in the polls aren't average fans and should know better.

are they any better? Do you recall 1990?

 

[forensicbuzz]

are they any better? Do you recall 1990?

LOL! Note I used the word "should"

I would say they're lazier.

 

[Rzunz]

Go Louisville!

 

[stinger78]

Go Ilini!!! Go Wolvies!!!

Down goes the SECheat!!!

 

[stech81]

Go Louisville!

Maybe we should think about inviting them to the ACC