In addition to Indiana, P5: Northwestern, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, Wisconsin, (experts expect Utah, but haven’t yet played). Combined record: 17-4. Combined Top 25 recruiting classes over past 4 years: 0
Wisconsin had the 29th and 26th class in 19’ and 20’
And 48th in 18, and 39th in 17. Wisconsin plays above their “ceiling” compared to recruiting rankings on a regular basis. I also gave you several other examples from this year...
Nobody gives a damn about these stupid “double digit wins history” strawmen, we’ve got 4 NATTYS. We’re not just some little ol’ engineering college.
You gave me 4 power 5 teams who have caught lightning in a bottle during a pandemic year. No sustained Success outside of Maybe Wisco/Ok St. If Collins got Tech to Ok St./Wisco levels of success would you be happy?
They were 7-6 last year. Started the year with an upset loss and have turned it on. IMO that’s lightning in a bottle.
This is noethwestern’s record since 2015. I think if anything last year would be the outlier and this isn’t a lightning in a bottle year
“What coach across the country is ‘coaching em up!’ Show me a team right now playing above their ceiling because of a direct reflection on coaching.” <—This, coupled with the bolded text in the quoted post, is a great example of moving goalposts.
No. I went back 2 years because that’s how long CGC has been at Tech lol. You went back 4 years because Monken’s 2 best years were 3 and 4 years ago respectively. Monken is 46-38 overall, and 36-36 against the FBS. He’s 2-10 against P5 opponents. I’m not criticizing Monken. He’s one of the best coaches in Army history. My sarcastic comment was a shot at the people that think last year’s Tech team would have won more than 5 games if it ran the 3O.
Well if no one cares about double digits wins then maybe that explains why their has been so few.
No need for me to move the goalpost when the majority rules and your 4 teams compared the rest of the P5 shows that recruiting matters.
I went back 4 years b/c that's how long CGC has been a head coach. Monken is 3-12 against P5 opponents, but those 12 losses include Alabama (Southern), Georgia (Southern), Stanford, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Michigan, and Ohio State. He's 3-5 against Florida (Southern), Duke, Wake, and Rutgers with Army and an FCS team. Note that CGC is 5-13 against P5 opponents with Temple and Tech.
Yet, you did. I haven't seen anyone say recruiting doesn't matter. I look forward to CGC's recruiting classes that compete with Clemson and uga. Of course, using your logic, those will need to come sooner rather than later if he expects to keep his job.