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Here’s the sad part. The same people that preach tolerance can’t tolerate an opposing viewpoint like this. He will be called an Uncle Tom, etc. for saying this.
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Here’s the sad part. The same people that preach tolerance can’t tolerate an opposing viewpoint like this. He will be called an Uncle Tom, etc. for saying this.
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Actually 1977 with the Community Reinvestment Act ended legal redlining, so 43 years ago. My claim was that redlining still affected people as late as 10 years ago from purchasing homes. It is possible that a person born 43 years ago could not use equity in his parents home to attend a good college, and then at around age 30 didn't have the income and savings to purchase a home. Am I saying that redlining is the only reason that this potential person could not purchase a home? No. But is it OK to dismiss redlining because he could have overcome that issue? No.
Education fails minority students more. A higher percentage of minority students are in poverty. Society should do everything we can to help students in poverty achieve better results than they do. Not having stable families does hurt. Not having a structure of saving and planning for the future does hurt. However, some police officers suspecting that everyone in poverty is simply a potential criminal hurts also. Exceptional students from poverty high schools can get recognition, but good students from those schools are often overlooked. Societal restraints shouldn't be touted as an unbreakable barrier by minority leaders. However, those potential restraints shouldn't be ignored by society either. Children without a father figure are probably more likely to have issues even with society doing everything that it can, but is that an excuse for society to not do everything that it can?
A police example situation: If someone drove down the road and shot at your house, would you call the police? I am sure that you would. Would the police come and investigate the people who shot at your house? Most likely. If you lived in a poverty neighborhood, would the police automatically investigate to find the people who shot at your house, or would they suspect that maybe you are dealing out of the house and they should investigate you? If the shots didn't damage your house, or if they only cause minor damage, would you consider not calling the police to prevent a hassle? If you live in a nice neighborhood, no way. If you live in a poverty area, maybe.
I am not convinced that police interactions with minorities are purely race based. I think that at least part of it is socioeconomic class based. However there are too many anecdotal examples of middle class black men being pulled over by the police without reasonable suspicion. Maybe based on race, maybe not. But better police training and supervision to prevent pulling people over without reasonable suspicion would solve that issue either way.
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Bubba should have simply said, Yeah, I’m embarrassed. My team overreacted. It’s a big nothing and I want to apologize. I work with great people, I have the best fans, and I’m relieved to know that’s still true, so let’s move on; and use this as a lesson to not overreact, to give our friends and co-workers and country the benefit of the doubt. >> but no he's still hustling on the talk $how tour.
>Simply put, the demand for racism in America far exceeds the supply…
>Simply put, the demand for racism in America far exceeds the supply…
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The best way to end poverty is to make it uncomfortable. A man who won't work shouldn't eat.
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Very well put. "The demand for racism in America far exceeds the supply."
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Probably, but at least he has the guts to say it. And I don't imagine he really cares what anybody says.
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What have I said that suggests that I believe social wealth transfer programs are the solution?
Personal responsibility does go a very long way. It won't work for every minority person. It doesn't even work for every white person.
Minority leaders should not proclaim that race is the sole reason that so many minority people are in poverty. Doing so creates apathy which holds some minority people back from attempting to achieve their full potential. However, society should not proclaim that race plays zero role in the reason that many minority people are in poverty and abdicate responsibility to work on race issues.
A few years ago when Georgia was considering issuing Ipads to every school student for them to supposedly "learn better", I discussed that with a local school principal. I told him it concerned me that Ipads without an educational system and educational apps wouldn't help. I asked him if most of the students at his school had Internet access at home. He responded that he had students who didn't even have electricity at home. How do you expect children in that situation to keep up? I know that some will, but as a group they won't. Many if not most in that group will notice in elementary school that other students are getting farther ahead of them, and they won't understand why. By middle school many in that group will be very far behind and apathy will consume them. By high school, many will either drop out or be pushed through the system without accomplishing much learning. Without a good education, many in that poverty group will remain in poverty and the cycle continues.
As I said before, minority leaders should not convince minority people in poverty that the system is 100% responsible for their plight and cause them to give up. But society shouldn't be convinced that it is 100% the fault of people in poverty and give up on them, especially children in poverty because they do have potential. There is nothing wrong with pushing individuals and society both to do everything they can. If the individual gives up, they won't succeed. If society gives up on a group of people, most of those people won't succeed.
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Amazing that the "Rev" (HA!!!) Al Sharpton is sill claiming it was a noose. What does it take to convince these jerks that they were wrong from the very beginning?
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Here is a story about current police practices:
https://dnyuz.com/2020/06/24/wrongfully-accused-by-an-algorithm/
According to the article tests on facial recognition software have 10 to 100 times more false positives for blacks and Asians than for whites. Combine that racial factor with poor police work and the results are improper arrests of innocent individuals based on a racially biased system. I don't agree with suggestions in the article that facial recognition shouldn't be used as an investigatory tool. Police should just realize that being pointed to a potential suspect does not equal being pointed at the person who committed the crime.
Police organizations should get rid of police officers who display racial bias. That has happened some in the last few weeks. One police officer close to where I live was removed after posting racially derogatory statements. A few years ago a jailer was removed after it became known that he was a member of a neo-nazi group, but he was defended at first and then removed after a backlash. If it becomes known that a person has such biases, they should not be in a position of power over jailed individuals or in charge of investigations into crimes.
Police organizations should train well and ensure that their officers follow that training. If facial recognition was used to point the police at possible suspects, and they then did actual police work to determine if that individual might have committed the crime, then it wouldn't be as big of a deal. If police officers only pulled over cars in which there actually is reasonable suspicion, then there wouldn't be an avenue for minorities to believe they are targeted for those pull overs. I have seen many anecdotal stories and videos of black men being pulled over for no reason. I have seen dash can video of a white woman who was pulled over for not wearing a seat belt, and she argued with the officer that she had 15 minutes of interior dash cam before she was pulled over to prove that she was wearing a seat belt. Even though there are instances of non-minority people being pulled over for no reason, it does incite feelings of racially unequal treatment by police to some minority people. I am not aware of any database that lists people who were pulled over and not issued tickets or warnings. Without such a database, it would be impossible to provide data on how many minorities vs how many non-minorities are pulled over in such fashion. Police organizations should ensure that such practices stop. That would be the right thing to do regardless of race. It would also drastically reduce the beliefs by minorities that they are pulled over simply for being a minority.
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This is how he makes a living.
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I obviously can't dispute that, but it looks far more like a noose than the photos I have seen on TV. They just showed a simple looped rope for pulling down the door.
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If they're implying this was intentional, and since it has been there for several months, then that points the finger squarely at whoever assigned the Wallace team that garage.
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Fake news plus an espn media lie. many pull cords with hand-loops
linked article shows a similar pull cord with hand-loop on Bubba's adjacent stall and a photo of the one on his from Oct 2019
https://theconservativetreehouse.co...rage-doors-have-nooses-nascar-video-evidence/
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More Bubba Smollett coverage.
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"Through the investigation and the examination of the video and photographic evidence, the FBI was able to determine the noose was present in the same garage stall as last fall.
"It was still our responsibility to find answers to key questions. How did the noose get there? Was anyone an intended target? Was this a code of conduct violation? Are nooses present elsewhere in other garages where we race? So let me tackle the last one first.
"NASCAR conducted a thorough sweep of all the garage areas across the tracks where we race. So across those 29 tracks, and 1,684 garage stalls, we found only 11 total that had a pull-down rope tied into a knot. And only one noose — the one discovered Sunday in Bubba Wallace’s garage.
"We further determined that the noose was not in place when the October 2019 race weekend began, but was created at some point during that weekend. Given that timing and the garage access policies and procedures at the time, we were unfortunately unable to determine with any certainty who tied this rope in this manner or why it was done.
"Which brings up another question: How could it have gone unnoticed by so many people in October 2019 through the morning of June 21, 2020?
"Our ultimate conclusions for this investigation is to ensure that this never happens again. That no one walks by a noose without recognizing the potential damage it can do. Moving forward, we will be conducting thorough sweeps of the garage area to ensure nothing like this happened again. And we are installing additional cameras in all of our garages.
My unrequested opinion:
1. It's a noose.
2. Someone tied it to pull down the garage door months ago.
3. Bubba, by luck (or unluck), of the draw got placed in that garage.
4. Confluence of sh!tty timing and sh!tty events all came together to make it a powder keg moment.
5. Media turned the powder keg into a nuclear bomb.