2023 ACC News & Discussion

[Techster]

I'll just leave this here since ACC teams are on it.

 

[TampaBuzz]

How does one (Clemson in this case) win a championship in Dairy Tasting? "Mmmmm that good!" Or (VT) win a championship in Dairy Cattle Judging? "My what big udders you have...."

 

[Techwood Relict]

How does one (Clemson in this case) win a championship in Dairy Tasting? "Mmmmm that good!" Or (VT) win a championship in Dairy Cattle Judging? "My what big udders you have...."

Man, so much potential. There's barely one SFW version.....

 

[leatherneckjacket]

How does one (Clemson in this case) win a championship in Dairy Tasting? "Mmmmm that good!" Or (VT) win a championship in Dairy Cattle Judging? "My what big udders you have...."

Texas A&M with championship for meat judging and wool judging.

Also, how is Dodgeball not a NCAA sponsored event

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

Ain't gonna lie, Drone Racing national champs is the most Georgia Tech thing there could possibly be. Wonder if the USAFA were the runner ups...

 

[GCdaJuiceMan]

How does one (Clemson in this case) win a championship in Dairy Tasting? "Mmmmm that good!" Or (VT) win a championship in Dairy Cattle Judging? "My what big udders you have...."

Sounds right:

 

[684Bee]

I'll just leave this here since ACC teams are on it.

Air Force winning skydiving is like Wisconsin winning for drinking. That’s what they do.

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

Air Force winning skydiving is like Wisconsin winning for drinking. That’s what they do.

Same with Army for boxing. The service academies have mandatory boxing for men. We called it plebe beating...

 

[slugboy]

Air Force winning skydiving is like Wisconsin winning for drinking. That’s what they do.

I have a lot of Air Force friends (most retired). Most of them believe that “only a fool from the Army or Marines would jump out of a perfectly good airplane”.

I also have Army fam.

 

[jgtengineer]

I have a lot of Air Force friends (most retired). Most of them believe that “only a fool from the Army or Marines would jump out of a perfectly good airplane”.

I also have Army fam.

Pararescue

 

[Buzzbomb]

 

[Buzzbomb]

 

[ThatGuy]

Air Force winning skydiving is like Wisconsin winning for drinking. That’s what they do.

Truth. I used to compete with a number of the Air Force Wings of Blue teams at Nationals and in wind tunnel competitions. It's amazing how good you can get at skydiving when that's what you do most of the week on the taxpayer's dime.

 

[GTpdm]

It's amazing how good you can get at skydiving when that's what you do most of the week on the taxpayer's dime.

Ahem. I teach science and engineering students most of the week on the taxpayers’ dime…

 

[leatherneckjacket]

I have a lot of Air Force friends (most retired). Most of them believe that “only a fool from the Army or Marines would jump out of a perfectly good airplane”.

I also have Army fam.

Army does it voluntarily. Marines are ordered to jump.

 

[RamblinRed]

Interesting write-up on how GoR's have kept (and likely will continue to keep) 2 Power conferences together. Also, how B12 and ACC's GoR's are basically identical.

Inside the Big 12's 'ironclad' grant of rights contract that helped keep the ACC together amid turbulence

How a seemingly unbreakable document has kept two leagues largely together during realignment

www.cbssports.com

So ironclad, in fact, that Big 12 legal minds developed the strategy relying on a landmark 115-year old Supreme Court case that traced its roots back to British Common Law in the 1600s. So ironclad that the Big 12 incorporated itself in Delaware, a state so business-friendly that 65% of Fortune 500 companies file their incorporation papers there.

So ironclad that the verbiage in these contracts might have saved both conferences from near-extinction.

On Wednesday, the ACC stiff-armed rumblings of a mutiny by going to a performance-based revenue model. It's seemingly unbreakable grant of rights quelled any talk of a more significant uprising.

It would cost a reported $120 million for an ACC school to leave early, not counting a monster negotiation to get out of the grant of rights. But with 13 years to go on that ironclad agreement -- and with little leverage -- the ACC got its schools to fall into line.

There was no other choice. Two industry experts with experience valuing media rights told CBS Sports that -- for all the complaining by those seven schools -- it is doubtful they would bring pro rata (equal value) if they were to depart the ACC for the SEC.

Those ACC schools seemingly had nowhere to go and lacked the financial will to challenge the grant of rights in court given its ironclad nature.

Earlier this year, the Big 12 announced a deal for the Longhorns and Sooners to leave one year early in 2024, netting the league $100 million.

Neither school dared challenge the grant of rights itself.

After Texas and Oklahoma declared their intentions two years ago, Bowlsby doubled back and vetted the vulnerability of his grant of rights with a New York litigation firm.

"I asked them to tear it apart," Bowlsby said. "They came back and said, 'This is ironclad. You can take it any federal court in the country and win.'"

An ACC league source last year told CBS Sports, at that time, it might have cost as much as $500 million total to exit the league, including its grant of rights, as there were then 14 years left on the deal. Other estimates have been lower but still significant.

 

[rfjeff9]

So ironclad that the verbiage in these contracts might have saved both conferences from near-extinction.

On Wednesday, the ACC stiff-armed rumblings of a mutiny by going to a performance-based revenue model. It's seemingly unbreakable grant of rights quelled any talk of a more significant uprising.

It would cost a reported $120 million for an ACC school to leave early, not counting a monster negotiation to get out of the grant of rights. But with 13 years to go on that ironclad agreement -- and with little leverage -- the ACC got its schools to fall into line.

If it is so ironclad and unshakable, why the performance based mod? Why not tell those 7 teams to shut up and get in line? Dare them to leave.

Seems to me GOR is doing exactly what it was designed to do, so why make a change?

And LOL at FSU amd Clemson thinking the SEC wants them. They have nothing to offer. I giggle sadistically at the thought of Vandy raking it in so.much more than those two posers.

 

[UgaBlows]

Interesting write-up on how GoR's have kept (and likely will continue to keep) 2 Power conferences together. Also, how B12 and ACC's GoR's are basically identical.

Inside the Big 12's 'ironclad' grant of rights contract that helped keep the ACC together amid turbulence

How a seemingly unbreakable document has kept two leagues largely together during realignment

www.cbssports.com

So ironclad, in fact, that Big 12 legal minds developed the strategy relying on a landmark 115-year old Supreme Court case that traced its roots back to British Common Law in the 1600s. So ironclad that the Big 12 incorporated itself in Delaware, a state so business-friendly that 65% of Fortune 500 companies file their incorporation papers there.

So ironclad that the verbiage in these contracts might have saved both conferences from near-extinction.

On Wednesday, the ACC stiff-armed rumblings of a mutiny by going to a performance-based revenue model. It's seemingly unbreakable grant of rights quelled any talk of a more significant uprising.

It would cost a reported $120 million for an ACC school to leave early, not counting a monster negotiation to get out of the grant of rights. But with 13 years to go on that ironclad agreement -- and with little leverage -- the ACC got its schools to fall into line.

There was no other choice. Two industry experts with experience valuing media rights told CBS Sports that -- for all the complaining by those seven schools -- it is doubtful they would bring pro rata (equal value) if they were to depart the ACC for the SEC.

Those ACC schools seemingly had nowhere to go and lacked the financial will to challenge the grant of rights in court given its ironclad nature.

Earlier this year, the Big 12 announced a deal for the Longhorns and Sooners to leave one year early in 2024, netting the league $100 million.

Neither school dared challenge the grant of rights itself.

After Texas and Oklahoma declared their intentions two years ago, Bowlsby doubled back and vetted the vulnerability of his grant of rights with a New York litigation firm.

"I asked them to tear it apart," Bowlsby said. "They came back and said, 'This is ironclad. You can take it any federal court in the country and win.'"

An ACC league source last year told CBS Sports, at that time, it might have cost as much as $500 million total to exit the league, including its grant of rights, as there were then 14 years left on the deal. Other estimates have been lower but still significant.

I guess I’m missing something here, how did TX and OK sidestep this unbreakable Big12 GOR?

 

[bobongo]

I guess I’m missing something here, how did TX and OK sidestep this unbreakable Big12 GOR?

From the article:
"While Texas and Oklahoma did cause significant upheaval in leaving the Big 12, it cost the programs a combined $100 million to exit the league in 2024, a year before the Big 12's grant of rights was to expire."

 

[RamblinRed]

I guess I’m missing something here, how did TX and OK sidestep this unbreakable Big12 GOR?

They didn't sidestep it.
They waited for it to expire. Or more accurately, they waited until it had 1 year left to expire and then negotiated a $50M exit each to leave 1 year early.

They did not try to challenge the GOR legally. Originally they planned to simply wait the GOR out (it would expire for them in 2024 since they were not going to sign a new one). Ultimately, they waited until it was almost expired and were able to negotiate the fee they would have to pay for the conference to let them go 1 year early.

Supposedly lawyers for every single school in the ACC have looked at its GOR and none of them have found any sort of loophole to get out of it.
If you want to leave you are going to have to negotiate a financial settlement and frankly any financial settlement is likely too punitive to make it worthwhile to leave (and that assumes someone else wants you to join in the first place).

I think the idea that is most off-kilter in college football is that fans of both schools in the Big 2 conferences and the other 3 want certain schools to change conferences, but I don't think the numbers likely make any sense for the conferences themselves so most of them are unlikely to happen anytime soon, if ever.