2023 ACC News & Discussion

[Augusta_Jacket]

Current talk is that the Pac12 is in a tenuous position for a new media rights deal. Speculation is the B12’s new deal of $31m/team could lure other Pac12 teams to the Big12 – suggesting the Pac12 deal could be south of $31m/team. The ACC currently pays $36m/team. Why do you think a Pac12/ACC alliance would produce more than $36m/team?

If the ACC were able to renegotiate the TV contract today, with no additional changes to the team structure of the conference, the current market would allow for the ACC to get a better deal monetarily from ESPN. Not equal to or exceeding $EC/B1G $$, but within striking distance. The only way we can get a renegotiation is to add teams. Adding west coast teams would allow that. Adding Stanford alone would give a televised home game every other year against ND, which is a TV ratings draw. By bringing in the best of the remaining PAC12 teams, we could ensure long term viability for the ACC.

 

[UgaBlows]

Seems to me any exception to the GOR would be the end of the GOR. Right now, it's the only thing holding the ACC together as a viable, major conference.

I’m not a lawyer but I also suspect that if they add good schools from the PAC, then those teams will have to accept the current terms of the GOR (not gonna happen), or the GOR will be have to be dissolved. This kinda all depends on what ESPN wants to happen, if they want FSU and Clemson in the SEC then they will negotiate with the ACC to make it happen and maybe keep the Espn/ACC media deal intact by adding quality teams from PAC to replace them. IF that happens it will open a legal door for other schools (hopefully GT and UM) to leave for the BIG.

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

Playing games every year in Atlanta (and Miami) would absolutely boost BIG recruiting (which is where they lag the SEC). There’s no damn way they are going to pass that chance up.

Last year, B1G schools got commits from 9 of the top 100 Georgia Recruits and 10 of the top 100 Florida recruits. I am not sure that playing games here is going to help all that much. The southeastern factories will still dominate the landscape.

 

[UgaBlows]

Last year, B1G schools got commits from 9 of the top 100 Georgia Recruits and 10 of the top 100 Florida recruits. I am not sure that playing games here is going to help all that much. The southeastern factories will still dominate the landscape.

So the biggest conference is getting 10% of top Southeast recruits, You don’t think that could increase with more exposure? The BIG is getting worked over by the SEC head-to-head because of recruit quality and quality of depth, they have to try to improve that.

 

[Techster]

Honest question, FMI, but do we know for certain Tech was invited to the B1G and when was it? I was probably out of the loop when that was going on?

Yes, it's been reported several times.

Florida State in the SEC, Notre Dame in the Big Ten and more realignment 'What ifs'

College Football's biggest "What ifs": Would Notre Dame fit in the Big Ten? How about Florida State in the SEC? What about super-conferences? These topics and more are tackled by the ESPN staff.

www.espn.com

Ivan Maisel: The poaching of Maryland and Rutgers allowed the Big Ten to establish a beachhead on the East Coast, but what if Jim Delany had succeeded in his sales pitch to Georgia Tech and convinced the Yellow Jackets to leave the ACC? The Big Ten would have set anchor in Atlanta, the national capital of college football. The league would be able to recruit more in the biggest treasure chest of talent in the country. And Ohio State fans would have learned the pleasures of a chili dog at The Varsity.

A flag on every house: Atlanta is the capital of college football

It's the perfect spot for the College Football Playoff National Championship, home to coveted recruits, a storied history, businesses that fuel the sport and 7 million residents who love college football more than any of the city's six pro teams.

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Everybody? Not only does Atlanta sit at the geographic heart of the SEC and the ACC, two of the conferences that make up the Power 5, but five years ago, when the Big Ten expanded to 14 teams, the league didn't take Rutgers until it had been turned down by Georgia Tech. Atlanta has brought in so many transplants that nearly half of the Power 5 schools have alumni watch parties on autumn Saturdays.


Absolutely, STUNNING to look back at today. Several well respected fonts across the GT boards have also commented about that time period and the reasoning GT turned the B1G (Big Ten at the time) down. It's pretty well known in college circles now.

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

So the biggest conference is getting 10% of top Southeast recruits, You don’t think that could increase with more exposure? The BIG is getting worked over by the SEC head-to-head because of recruit quality and quality of depth, they have to try to improve that.

Not much. The B1G has plenty of exposure here. With cable and streaming TV packages, more recruits see them on TV than they see games in a stadium. The paradigm of having to play in an area to gain recruiting exposure is dated, IMO.

 

[Techster]

Not much. The B1G has plenty of exposure here. With cable and streaming TV packages, more recruits see them on TV than they see games in a stadium. The paradigm of having to play in an area to gain recruiting exposure is dated, IMO.

Not really. Recruiting is often about selling to parents the ability to see their kids play, and having kids see their parents. SEC schools recruit well because they are able to convince parents and kids if they leave the state, their school is within a 3-6 hour drive window. That's the "sweet spot" for parents...there are several parents of current and former SAs on this board that can probably give you a better view on that. Brent Key just made a big deal about it in a recent interview when he talked about recruiting.

What having a school like GT in the footprint does is gives schools the ability to say "Look, we know Michigan/Iowa/Mich State/OSU/Maryland/etc. are far away, but we play GT/UNC/UVA/Miami every year. Once every year/two years your parents and family will be able to make a short drive and watch you play. We'll find ways to get your parents and family tickets to watch you play...and you'll get to play for OSU! Michigan! Penn State! etc. That's not as good being at every home game, but if a kid is independent enough, but still wants to his parents to watch him play in person, you may be able to sell a 4 or 5 star kid on that.

 

[TooTall]

Not really. Recruiting is often about selling to parents the ability to see their kids play, and having kids see their parents. SEC schools recruit well because they are able to convince parents and kids if they leave the state, their school is within a 3-6 hour drive window. That's the "sweet spot" for parents...there are several parents of current and former SAs on this board that can probably give you a better view on that. Brent Key just made a big deal about it in a recent interview when he talked about recruiting.

What having a school like GT in the footprint does is gives schools the ability to say "Look, we know Michigan/Iowa/Mich State/OSU/Maryland/etc. are far away, but we play GT/UNC/UVA/Miami every year. Once every year/two years your parents and family will be able to make a short drive and watch you play. We'll find ways to get your parents and family tickets to watch you play...and you'll get to play for OSU! Michigan! Penn State! etc. That's not as good being at every home game, but if a kid is independent enough, but still wants to his parents to watch him play in person, you may be able to sell a 4 or 5 star kid on that.

I see NIL as making this a mute point. Get an airliner to be the "official" and get the players who are out of state to do commercials by charging the company the fee of 2-4 round trip tickets to each away game from the parents airport. $EC is dominate in the southeast because so many alumni run specific areas and can make a bag of cash appear on the front door step anytime they want. Or like the late Wilcock from uga, his face is still on all the yellow billboards of the law firm that is representing his family during this difficult time, pro bono of course.

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

Not really. Recruiting is often about selling to parents the ability to see their kids play, and having kids see their parents. SEC schools recruit well because they are able to convince parents and kids if they leave the state, their school is within a 3-6 hour drive window. That's the "sweet spot" for parents...there are several parents of current and former SAs on this board that can probably give you a better view on that. Brent Key just made a big deal about it in a recent interview when he talked about recruiting.

What having a school like GT in the footprint does is gives schools the ability to say "Look, we know Michigan/Iowa/Mich State/OSU/Maryland/etc. are far away, but we play GT/UNC/UVA/Miami every year. Once every year/two years your parents and family will be able to make a short drive and watch you play. We'll find ways to get your parents and family tickets to watch you play...and you'll get to play for OSU! Michigan! Penn State! etc. That's not as good being at every home game, but if a kid is independent enough, but still wants to his parents to watch him play in person, you may be able to sell a 4 or 5 star kid on that.

5-10 years ago that was a real deal breaker for some. I don't think it matters that much anymore. With NIL $, the recruits that the B1G is targeting can fly their parents to the games. I still think this is a dated paradigm with the current evolution to the college football landscape that is underway.

 

[Techster]

5-10 years ago that was a real deal breaker for some. I don't think it matters that much anymore. With NIL $, the recruits that the B1G is targeting can fly their parents to the games. I still think this is a dated paradigm with the current evolution to the college football landscape that is underway.

This assumes NIL is willing to cover every SA's parents to fly out to games. NIL funding isn't as vast (comparatively) as a school's funding. If Ohio State is saying they need at least $12 million a year in NIL...how much does paying for recruits parents to fly out cost them? There won't be any money left to actually pay SAs if you're flying SAs parents out and paying for their hotel rooms and expenses. There are crazy fans that are willing to pay NIL costs, but that bucket isn't bottomless.

Again, there's a reason why coaches recruit within a 6 hour drive window of their school. That means something.

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

This assumes NIL is willing to cover every SA's parents to fly out to games. NIL funding isn't as vast (comparatively) as a school's funding. If Ohio State is saying they need at least $12 million a year in NIL...how much does paying for recruits parents to fly out cost them? There won't be any money left to actually pay SAs if you're flying SAs parents out and paying for their hotel rooms and expenses. There are crazy fans that are willing to pay NIL costs, but that bucket isn't bottomless.

Again, there's a reason why coaches recruit within a 6 hour drive window of their school. That means something.

If you are paying a recruit $100k a season to play football then a recruit can afford to fly his parents out to a few home games. NIL $ can easily cover that. The student making the money would pay, not the school. As @TooTall was saying, you could even strike deals with airlines and hotel chains to lessen the cost.

 

[UgaBlows]

An extra opportunity for coaches/recruiters/NIL bagmen to be face-to-face with recruits and their parents is still very valuable imo, getting sideline/locker-room access before and after the game means more exposure, more opportunity to sell a program and get to know coaches.

 

[UgaBlows]

If you are paying a recruit $100k a season to play football then a recruit can afford to fly his parents out to a few home games. NIL $ can easily cover that. The student making the money would pay, not the school. As @TooTall was saying, you could even strike deals with airlines and hotel chains to lessen the cost.

Not every recruit is getting that kind of money, there’s a lot of roster value still for high quality 3-star depth even for fb factories

 

[BurdellJacket]

Yes, it's been reported several times.

Florida State in the SEC, Notre Dame in the Big Ten and more realignment 'What ifs'

College Football's biggest "What ifs": Would Notre Dame fit in the Big Ten? How about Florida State in the SEC? What about super-conferences? These topics and more are tackled by the ESPN staff.

www.espn.com

Ivan Maisel: The poaching of Maryland and Rutgers allowed the Big Ten to establish a beachhead on the East Coast, but what if Jim Delany had succeeded in his sales pitch to Georgia Tech and convinced the Yellow Jackets to leave the ACC? The Big Ten would have set anchor in Atlanta, the national capital of college football. The league would be able to recruit more in the biggest treasure chest of talent in the country. And Ohio State fans would have learned the pleasures of a chili dog at The Varsity.

A flag on every house: Atlanta is the capital of college football

It's the perfect spot for the College Football Playoff National Championship, home to coveted recruits, a storied history, businesses that fuel the sport and 7 million residents who love college football more than any of the city's six pro teams.

www.espn.com

Everybody? Not only does Atlanta sit at the geographic heart of the SEC and the ACC, two of the conferences that make up the Power 5, but five years ago, when the Big Ten expanded to 14 teams, the league didn't take Rutgers until it had been turned down by Georgia Tech. Atlanta has brought in so many transplants that nearly half of the Power 5 schools have alumni watch parties on autumn Saturdays.


Absolutely, STUNNING to look back at today. Several well respected fonts across the GT boards have also commented about that time period and the reasoning GT turned the B1G (Big Ten at the time) down. It's pretty well known in college circles now.

Thanks, guys. I guess I was asleep at the switch during that era. We did have a lot going on then.

 

[GTrob21]

Current talk is that the Pac12 is in a tenuous position for a new media rights deal. Speculation is the B12’s new deal of $31m/team could lure other Pac12 teams to the Big12 – suggesting the Pac12 deal could be south of $31m/team. The ACC currently pays $36m/team. Why do you think a Pac12/ACC alliance would produce more than $36m/team?

It wouldn't after the scnerio I think is going to happen, but it would be the 3rd most. If the ACC does nothing, then it will be a dog fight between the Big 12 and ACC to cobble together enough brands to get the best media deal.

Right now we have the leverage because of the payout which is better than the Big 12. If we do nothing, then I think we lose. We should add schools knowing that the FSU's and Clemson's already have one foot out the door.

And For the love of God, if the B1G comes knocking on our door. We jump, don't look back, we jump

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

Not every recruit is getting that kind of money, there’s a lot of roster value still for high quality 3-star depth even for fb factories

Correct, but those recruits aren't the ones that the B1G is going to target down here. The midwest 3*s are pretty solid on their own, it's the elite players that they need to draw up north.

 

[cpf2001]

Grabbing a few PAC schools purely to open negotiations would be something, I guess. But what's left? Oregon has the whole Nike thing but are any of Oregon/Stanford/Cal/Washington bringing in that many more viewers per game than today's average ACC program? CFB just isn't the same on the west coast to start with, and then none of those are anything like USC-level in terms of recent media exposure or prominence. Taking programs the B1G didn't want purely to try to win 3rd place doesn't seem like it'll do anything for the football profile long-term, in terms of retaining FSU, etc (hopefully by the time it comes to that GT is in the category of "school that has potential better options" too).

 

[UgaBlows]

Correct, but those recruits aren't the ones that the B1G is going to target down here. The midwest 3*s are pretty solid on their own, it's the elite players that they need to draw up north.

You KNOW ourplayers in the South are better though right?

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

You KNOW ourplayers in the South are better though right?

Our elite players are. There's an awful lot of midwestern 3*s in the NFL though...

HIGH SCHOOL CITIES WITH MOST NFL PLAYERS

Hometown	NFL Players	Hometown	NFL Players
Houston, TX	19​	Cleveland, OH	12​
Miami, FL	19​	Plantation, FL	11​
Detroit, MI	16​	Austin, TX	10​
Tampa, FL	15​	Cincinnati, OH	10​
Bradenton, FL	14​	Ft. Lauderdale, FL	10​
Atlanta, GA	13​	Philadelphia, PA	10​
New Orleans, LA	13​	St. Louis, MO	10​

 

[stinger 1957]

Playing games every year in Atlanta (and Miami) would absolutely boost BIG recruiting (which is where they lag the SEC). There’s no damn way they are going to pass that chance up.

This is my take, there are two primary requirements that the BIG requires: 1. AAU member (ND the only exception according to them) and good to great media mkts. FSU does not and will probably not have either one of those in the foreseeable future. GT has both and Miami has one and will probably have the other in the not too distant future. I can see Miami, GT, UNC and probably UVA becoming BIG members. Maybe Pitt also, not sure there. I'm in agreement with you about the recruiting, not sure it alone would make Big come to Atlanta and Miami or any other city.