What if CPJ had Bama or Climpsuns players...?

[laoh]

Just a hypothetical... but I find it entertaining to dream...
What would we look like running the spread option with 4, 5 stars? Would we be in the playoffs?
One can only dream...

 

[tech_wreck47]

Just a hypothetical... but I find it entertaining to dream...
What would we look like running the spread option with 4, 5 stars? Would we be in the playoffs?
One can only dream...

I honestly believe he could have won at least one if not more national titles at GT. CPJ is one of the best in the business, people just don't know it because of all the limitations he has to put up with. Idk of another coach in the country that gets more out of his kids for what their rankings are. It's honestly incredible imo. Some might not agree with rankings and thats fine, but still no other coach that I know of does what he does according to those rankings.

 

[steebu]

We had a 4* back in Dwyer.

We had a guy who played like a 5* in Bebe.

That 09 team was pretty darn good, and if we had Clemson's defense with some better depth on the OL that 09 team probably could've won the national championship.

Our offense is tough to defend ... and like any offense it is even tougher to defend when we have serious playmakers.

 

[lv20gt]

Offense would be great but his defenses would keep him from winning championships.

 

[Jacketman1]

Offense would be great but his defenses would keep him from winning championships.

If we had Clemson or Bama's talent, I don't think defense would be an issue at all.

 

[AE 87]

Before this year, I was sympathetic to CPJ's target of 15 OL because of the cross-training etc.

I now think that our offense is really hard on our OL physically so that between injuries and early attrition we simply don't have sufficient depth.

You can't compete 4 qtrs vs top DL that can rotate players with an ironman OL.

 

[33jacket]

Before this year, I was sympathetic to CPJ's target of 15 OL because of the cross-training etc.

I now think that our offense is really hard on our OL physically so that between injuries and early attrition we simply don't have sufficient depth.

You can't compete 4 qtrs vs top DL that can rotate players with an ironman OL.

Glad u have come around. We should always have around 19 OL on ship at any one time. Been saying it since cpj has been here. He needs to recruit numbers on the line. Injuries. Attrition. And some dont pan out. Its the hardest position on the team to project, evaluate and grow physicality. Hence u need to throw more at it. 19 out of 85 is the same as 5 out of 22. Makes. Sense to me.

He needs to build to that. And hasnt. Has largely ignored it.

Cpj has remained status quo on O for the most part. He has tried to change other aspects of the team. But. This needs a tweak. He needs to evolve. 15 is not enough. Simple.

 

[Treb1982]

We would win more

 

[jacketup]

I honestly believe he could have won at least one if not more national titles at GT. CPJ is one of the best in the business, people just don't know it because of all the limitations he has to put up with. Idk of another coach in the country that gets more out of his kids for what their rankings are. It's honestly incredible imo. Some might not agree with rankings and thats fine, but still no other coach that I know of does what he does according to those rankings.

That's an opinion with no basis in fact. The facts are that over the last 8 years his record against FBS teams is 47-46. Are our players below average? 5 of those 8 years he had a record below .500 against FBS opponents.

He's lost to Duke 3 of the last 4. Does Duke have better talent?

His win percentage vs. FBS over the last 8 years is lower than Gailey's win percentage vs. FBS. Does Johnson have more "limitations" than Gailey had?

If Johnson could make more money at a school with fewer "limitations", he would have been out of here 4 years ago. The truth is, no one else will pay him what GT does. That's all you need to know to show that your opinion is in error.

But you have your "limitations" excuse, so who needs wins?

 

[MWBATL]

Just a hypothetical... but I find it entertaining to dream...
What would we look like running the spread option with 4, 5 stars? Would we be in the playoffs?
One can only dream...

In 1985, Oklahoma ran the wishbone offense (not all that dissimilar to what CPJ runs today unless you are into the technical differences).

They won the national championship that year.

They completed 24 passes THE ENTIRE SEASON.

I think CPJ would do pretty well with that level of talent.

 

[GT_05]

That's an opinion with no basis in fact. The facts are that over the last 8 years his record against FBS teams is 47-46. Are our players below average? 5 of those 8 years he had a record below .500 against FBS opponents.

He's lost to Duke 3 of the last 4. Does Duke have better talent?

His win percentage vs. FBS over the last 8 years is lower than Gailey's win percentage vs. FBS. Does Johnson have more "limitations" than Gailey had?

If Johnson could make more money at a school with fewer "limitations", he would have been out of here 4 years ago. The truth is, no one else will pay him what GT does. That's all you need to know to show that your opinion is in error.

But you have your "limitations" excuse, so who needs wins?

Here’s a fact. The ACC is more competitive, as a whole, than it was when Gailey was coaching. You are comparing apples and oranges if you compare the ACC now versus then.


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[TheSilasSonRising]

Here’s a fact. The ACC is more competitive, as a whole, than it was when Gailey was coaching. You are comparing apples and oranges if you compare the ACC now versus then.


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But we have not kept up?

 

[g0lftime]

In 1969 Alabama won 6 games. They had won 3 national championships under Bryant before that. In 1970 USC came and played them and won 42-0. Alabama again won 6 games in 1970. Bryant then made 2 changes. He started recruiting black players and started running the wishbone in 1971. He beat USC in LA first game. They weren't prepared for it. He subsequently won 3 more national championships after that. Great coaches can adapt and change to get better.

 

[tech_wreck47]

That's an opinion with no basis in fact. The facts are that over the last 8 years his record against FBS teams is 47-46. Are our players below average? 5 of those 8 years he had a record below .500 against FBS opponents.

He's lost to Duke 3 of the last 4. Does Duke have better talent?

His win percentage vs. FBS over the last 8 years is lower than Gailey's win percentage vs. FBS. Does Johnson have more "limitations" than Gailey had?

If Johnson could make more money at a school with fewer "limitations", he would have been out of here 4 years ago. The truth is, no one else will pay him what GT does. That's all you need to know to show that your opinion is in error.

But you have your "limitations" excuse, so who needs wins?

Ok...... never said it was a fact, I'm pretty sure I said I BELIEVE. But yea let's neglect that we have over 50 percent less majors than most schools, around the bottom 5 in funding of power 5 schools, 2nd smallest staff in the ACC, haven't updated locker rooms since early 2000's but those things don't matter at all, and they aren't actually limitations, they are positives, right? The other coaches before CPJ were not even close to being behind like that. So we must compare apples to apples. I'll tell you what though, my comment still stands that idk of another coach that has gotten more out of a group of kids than CPJ. You forget about the 2014 season when we had a bunch of kids playing from a recruiting class in the 60's, can you show me another coach who has done that? If you don't like my OPINION that's perfectly fine but no need to be upset over it, it's called an opinion. And BTW because another school won't pay CPJ to run what he does doesn't mean my opinion is in error, you just made a statement with no FACTS, it was an assumption. IMO CPJ isn't at another school or being offered because they don't want to run what he does, that doesn't mean he couldnt win a national championship with Alabama players which is what this thread is about.

 

[iceeater1969]

Glad u have come around. We should always have around 19 OL on ship at any one time. Been saying it since cpj has been here. He needs to recruit numbers on the line. Injuries. Attrition. And some dont pan out. Its the hardest position on the team to project, evaluate and grow physicality. Hence u need to throw more at it. 19 out of 85 is the same as 5 out of 22. Makes. Sense to me.

He needs to build to that. And hasnt. Has largely ignored it.

Cpj has remained status quo on O for the most part. He has tried to change other aspects of the team. But. This needs a tweak. He needs to evolve. 15 is not enough. Simple.

The answer is yes, cpj or Coach as I refer to him, would win big time.

As to the number of linemen, I like the idea of more ol!
But what about working a couple of the ol and dl from the "same pool"? For example our ol are required to be pretty athletic especially the o t. They are often chasing lb or safeties in space or making cut blocks to slow pursuit of d t.

A. When we play the teams (vt, Jack state, miami) with very fast lb,s that give the ab fits, we could change from the normal sized o t 285-290# to a smaller one sized more like the d e (who are for ala/clem 265#). I think this smaller o tackles with superior agility would be more effective in space.
B. Another thought- could this rover type d t / d e not wear knee braces to greatly improve agility in space. With so few ol I see why they all wear braces.
Will check on A. B. with some one in the program.
Heck yea !Coach would be very great with great talent.

 

[RyanS12]

We’d be on probation

 

[bravejason]

But we have not kept up?

That seems to be the case. It sounds like program needs about another dozen staffers, everything from recruiting specialist to QA analyst to water boys.

And facilities apparently need some help to. The impression I got from CPJ on a radio show is that you need to be doing some sort of facility improvement every couple of years.

So far as I can tell, the main issue is money (big surprise).

 

[katlong]

I think one thing to consider in this fun fantasy conversation is that CPJ coaches a TEAM. 4 and 5 star recruits often play for their stats - so they can make it big in the NFL...CPJ's offense doesn't work unless you are willing to sacrifice for the team. You'll get one or two that are ok with that, but unless you want to be part of a team, GT is not for you, imo. This is one of my favorite things about Tech football. I think about JJ Green's interview and how different he saw Tech after transferring. He was no longer consumed by his individual stats and took pride in being part of the "dirty A-backs". He loved being part of a team...

I agree with RyanS12 - like all the other colleges that get these big recruits, we'd probably be doing something illegal to get them. But assuming that you could find a bunch of 4 and 5 star recruits legitimately and without being upset about the team thing...yeah, we'd stomp some people. We do it sometimes with 3 star recruits.

I did find it interesting during the ACC champ game that the announcers talked about Dabo making the second team take as many reps in practice as the first team and expecting the same level of play from them. Do we do that? (I'm asking - I don't know) If not, I liked that philosophy a lot.

 

[iceeater1969]

I think one thing to consider in this fun fantasy conversation is that CPJ coaches a TEAM. 4 and 5 star recruits often play for their stats - so they can make it big in the NFL...CPJ's offense doesn't work unless you are willing to sacrifice for the team. You'll get one or two that are ok with that, but unless you want to be part of a team, GT is not for you, imo. This is one of my favorite things about Tech football. I think about JJ Green's interview and how different he saw Tech after transferring. He was no longer consumed by his individual stats and took pride in being part of the "dirty A-backs". He loved being part of a team...

I agree with RyanS12 - like all the other colleges that get these big recruits, we'd probably be doing something illegal to get them. But assuming that you could find a bunch of 4 and 5 star recruits legitimately and without being upset about the team thing...yeah, we'd stomp some people. We do it sometimes with 3 star recruits.

I did find it interesting during the ACC champ game that the announcers talked about Dabo making the second team take as many reps in practice as the first team and expecting the same level of play from them. Do we do that? (I'm asking - I don't know) If not, I liked that philosophy a lot.

Heard announcer say dabo plays 8-9 w r.

We play 2 and maybe three because ours don't need rest.

This is first year the dl started rotating players from the beginning of the game.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

That's an opinion with no basis in fact. The facts are that over the last 8 years his record against FBS teams is 47-46. Are our players below average? 5 of those 8 years he had a record below .500 against FBS opponents.

He's lost to Duke 3 of the last 4. Does Duke have better talent?

His win percentage vs. FBS over the last 8 years is lower than Gailey's win percentage vs. FBS. Does Johnson have more "limitations" than Gailey had?

If Johnson could make more money at a school with fewer "limitations", he would have been out of here 4 years ago. The truth is, no one else will pay him what GT does. That's all you need to know to show that your opinion is in error.

But you have your "limitations" excuse, so who needs wins?

Well the ACC is arguably the best football conference in the country. And our permanent crossover is the National Champion Clemson. And our permanent rival is who should compete for it every year georgia. And our recruiting classes are in the bottom third of the ACC. And our spending is in the bottom third of the ACC. So to average almost 8 wins a season is a monumental beat down of what we have to deal with.

Just think about next season's schedule:
* We play 3 Top 7 teams from this year, including 2 in the CFP (Clemson, georgia, Miami).
* We play @ USF. A team who won 9 games (and has a chance to win 10) and their only 2 losses were by less than 1 score.
* We play @ Louisville. A team who despite having what most would call a bad year still won 8 games (and has a chance to win 9).
* We play @ Virginia Tech. A team who won 9 games (and has a chance to win 10).
Even if we ran the table on our other 6 games, we'd have to win 2 of these games to win 8. Given that we probably won't run the table, then you're looking at having to win at least 3 of these.