The ACC will delay the start of competition for all fall sports until at least Sept. 1

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WreckinGT said:
Actually, my apologies to the mayor, because he didn’t even say that.

https://www.wbrc.com/2020/06/23/tus...tball-season-due-covid-could-be-catastrophic/

2 billion is the estimated economic impact that the University of Alabama has on the city for an entire year. Losing football would hurt but like the mayor points out, they have enough reserve funds to sustain a year without it.
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Nice try. https://www.cbs42.com/news/local/no...cally-catastrophic-for-tuscaloosa-mayor-says/
https://www.cbs42.com/news/local/no...cally-catastrophic-for-tuscaloosa-mayor-says/
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I don’t see a path to get fans in the stands. NC keeps steadily trending in the wrong direction and we know the ACC runs from Tobacco Road. I’d love to be able to shoot over to Chapel Hill to sport the white and gold but I just don’t see it happening.

Are the Euro soccer leagues playing in a bubble like the NBA is proposing? Data from MLB is going to be too late to use as analytics for college football because most camps start near the end of July.


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My wife, GTRamblerLady, says that she will be perfectly happy to watch the games on TV.

Then she said that offensive linemen and defensive linemen would be in close combat on every play, and she could not see how that would be helpful at all.

Then she summarized: “They are still kids. They need to wait until 2021.”

I think she is right.
 
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GTRambler said:
My wife, GTRamblerLady, says that she will be perfectly happy to watch the games on TV.

Then she said that offensive linemen and defensive linemen would be in close combat on every play, and she could not see how that would be helpful at all.

Then she summarized: “They are still kids. They need to wait until 2021.”

I think she is right.
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First there will be a season Maybe a Limited number of fans. Without a football season you have mass chaos what do you do with the seniors , tell them thanks and good bye , give everyone one more year. And if you give them one more year how about the 85 number of scholarships you can have at one time. Tell the incoming freshman to find another school. There will be some kind of season Maybe without fans maybe not 12 games but something.
 
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GTRambler said:
My wife, GTRamblerLady, says that she will be perfectly happy to watch the games on TV.

Then she said that offensive linemen and defensive linemen would be in close combat on every play, and she could not see how that would be helpful at all.

Then she summarized: “They are still kids. They need to wait until 2021.”

I think she is right.
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Anyone who takes themselves out of "fanboy mode", or "bills need to be paid mode", and thinks about this from a strictly science and medical perspective understands putting these kids in a situation of repeatedly exposing themselves to infection is pretty irresponsible. So irresponsible that schools are making kids sign waivers so they can take the schools responsibility of liability away. Think about that one.

It's like a lightening storm is going on and we're making SAs walk outside holding up a metal pole.

Your wife makes a strong case that if women were in charge, most of the dumb sh!t that happens under the management of men would disappear.
 
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I think we are all in agreement on these things:

1. Money is the sole driving factor for playing football this season
2. Games without fans make less money

Where we disagree is on which approach will be taken given current conditions.

In the end, this is the death knell for "amateurism" in college football. I am willing to bet that some player somewhere gets sick and sues for being made to play with the implicit threat of losing a scholarship. It's one thing to ask a kid to risk injury to himself for "love of a game" and a chance for an education/NFL career. It's quite another to ask them to risk not only their health, but the health of their loved ones without paying them a real, tangible current benefit. Maybe now we can move towards openly paying players and be done with this "amateur" nonsense...

I think @Milwaukee is right in that if colleges have their say, we will be playing football this fall, most likely with at least 50% full stadiums. The only way that doesn't happen is if the government steps in and shuts it down or if the players revolt and refuse to play. I don't see either of those happening at this point.
 
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Techster said:
Anyone who takes themselves out of "fanboy mode", or "bills need to be paid mode", and thinks about this from a strictly science and medical perspective understands putting these kids in a situation of repeatedly exposing themselves to infection is pretty irresponsible. So irresponsible that schools are making kids sign waivers so they can take the schools responsibility of liability away. Think about that one.

It's like a lightening storm is going on and we're making SAs walk outside holding up a metal pole.

Your wife makes a strong case that if women were in charge, most of the dumb sh!t that happens under the management of men would disappear.
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Agree. I just think too few people are thinking in these terms...
 
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Techster said:
It's like a lightening storm is going on and we're making SAs walk outside holding up a metal pole.
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That’s a bit dramatic wouldn’t ya say.

You also have to understand some universities themselves, and businesses, and high schools, are all requiring waivers for people in general. All kinds of places are. Why wouldn’t football players fall into this? It’s not like the evil NCAA came up with this sneaky waiver just so the people can watch their football. That’s absurd. There’s a virus going around, I have to sign 3-4 per week just to get into certain facilities.

I completely agree about women in leadership though, world would be a better place.
 
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WreckinGT said:
You expect all residents and businesses in those cities, along with the Universities themselves to pack up shop and move somewhere else because of 7 Saturday’s of missed local revenue?
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All? No. Not all. Businesses in small college towns target year round residents and seasonal demand. Barber shops, transmission repair, and Target will do fine.

Businesses that make the bulk of their income from seasonal demand are the ones I’m referring to. Most of these businesses operate at a loss throughout the year and recover during the big volume associated with home games.

Colleges want a vibrant downtown to create a positive college experience. It’s also where there are few longterm residents. The downtown areas rely on seasonal demand.

Without big events, it’s hard to justify starting a business in those areas. Many are struggling now to even pay rent due to Covid. Without football, they are toast.
 
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That’s a bit dramatic wouldn’t ya say.

You also have to understand some universities themselves, and businesses, and high schools, are all requiring waivers for people in general. All kinds of places are. Why wouldn’t football players fall into this? It’s not like the evil NCAA came up with this sneaky waiver just so the people can watch their football. That’s absurd. There’s a virus going around, I have to sign 3-4 per week just to get into certain facilities.

I completely agree about women in leadership though, world would be a better place.
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True...that was a bit dramatic. Kids have a better shot of getting infected and going to the hospital than getting struck by lightening while holding a metal pole during a lightening storm. I wasn't being dramatic enough.

Waivers aren't for the games to be played, it's so they can have SAs do the labor (play the games) and not be held liable should they become infected with Covid. The difference between your waiver and the SAs waiver is you don't put yourself in situations of high infection possibilities (I hope), while SAs (especially football players) are repeatedly putting themselves in those situations because the sports demand it. That the schools are stripping themselves of liability and putting it all on SAs is pretty asinine. Seriously, read the SMU waiver posted in this thread. It pretty much says if an SA catches Covid "Good luck! Don't call us..."

I think we all understand the deal we're making with the devil (and SAs health). Schools and media companies need games to be played so they can get paid. SAs are the labor...gotta put them to work so money can be made!
 
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99% isn't a great number for an infectious disease,
Also, it's not just about deaths. What about the 8-10% that end up in hospitals. What about all the people that miss work sick at home.

Greg Sankey was on TV last night. His basic comments were that as of right now that they plan to play the season as scheduled but that that could change based on where the data and science are as they get closer. Said he was glad he didn't have to have the answers right now. He also was asked about fans, he said they are looking at ways of having small numbers of fans there. Said they were looking at Talledega, hoped to be able to put a few more people in than that, but that they would have to work with health officials and government officials to see what is possible.

In a separate interview he said a decision will likely be made at the end of July.

In a tangentially related note, the State School Superintendent for SC said yesterday that if cases don't start coming down in the next couple of weeks she doesn't know how they would be able to start kids in schools (K-12) this fall.
 
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I know everyone here wants to see football ( Tech football) and talking about what would happen if there was no college football. But what if some states don't have high school ? How many of those players will it hurt ?
 

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I need my wife to spend a week with you and see if you still feel the same.
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ROTFLMAO

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Milwaukee makes one point that is the truth - it's all about the money.

One reason i think fans in stands - at least large numbers of them, is less likely than the game themselves is that from a money standpoint it is not about the cities, it is about the AA's and their desire to make sure they get as much of the TV money as they can to reduce how many sports and how much staff they are going to have to cut. Anything after that is gravy.
From their early statements of it being all about the safety and well being of the SA's to it being about not having to cut sports and budgets, ultimately the AD's want to play as many games as possible to maximize how much TV revenue they ultimately receive. if their best chance of maximizing games is minimizing fans, they will go that path.

Keep in mind that they are going to be losing revenue all over the place. Smaller season ticket sales, if fans are allowed but in smaller numbers than advertising revenue will be reduced as there are fewer eyeballs in the stadium to see all the banners and ads on the Jumbotron. Possibly fewer suite sales or at lower prices.

On to a few other sports related notes.
Just showing how hard this is going to be in any sport, much less one with alot of physical contact - PGA now has 4 golfers out -2 due to the golfer testing positive and 2 due to the golfer's caddie testing positive and the golfer saying they will self-quarantine.

Berlin and NYC have both cancelled their marathons today.

From a football scheduling standpoint, the Patriot League has announced their protocols for playing football this fall. They include no SA's will be on campus before the regular students arrive, so basically none of the Patriot league schools will be able to meet the week 1 start date. Also, no travel to anywhere that requires a flight or a stay over night. There are others but just those 2 all but guarantee that most of the out of conference games scheduled between Patriot league teams and others (Syracuse has a game against a Patriot league team), will likely not occur.
 
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