Syracuse Post Game

[Northeast Stinger]

No it's not. This is why a 2nd and 10 holding call is accepted 95+% of the time on all levels of football.

“95% of the time.”

You see the problem, right?

What happened in the other 5% of cases? You apparently assume that those represent wrong decisions. Perhaps they do, perhaps they don’t. I’ve heard many a coach say over the years that sometimes you make a decision because you know where you are in the game at that moment. Those circumstances are sometimes unique and are outside the regular metrics. You clearly disagree, and I appreciate your thoughtful opinions about this, but just want you to understand that some of us think this was that 5% situation. Our defense was gassed and asking them to get one stop on 3rd and long seemed a more reasonable ask than asking them to stay on the field longer with the other team either running clock or forcing you to use timeouts. It didn’t work so that makes it easier to say it was the wrong decision but that, in my mind does not guarantee that the other decision would have worked better.

 

[alagold]

WE played a team with a QB that is VERY good and would score probably 4+ TDs vs our very avg DEF if given the ball and the chance. Knowing that ,we would have to control time of possession really by running the ball mostly. We basically DID NOT do THAT and so we lost. --Did luck out on the blocks but that only made it close.

 

[7979]

Wake me up when 2nd and 23...or 3rd and 12..... is not a "short-yardage conversion for the other guys.... DBs can't cover... nor can they tackle....I would bring 6 or 7 on every play simply because of this... glad I recorded the game, played golf, checked Swarm, erased the recording..

 

[tmhunter52]

If the hit a 15 yard play on 2nd and 22.5 you are not in the same situation as declining the penalty. It would now be 3rd and 7 or 8 and you would have lost about 10 seconds at least on the clock and minus a timeout. At that point time was a critical factor so saving as much as possible was Key's priority.

If it was third and short I would agree you should take the penalty but at third and long your defense SHOULD be able to make a stop more often than not.

If Daniels makes the stop on that 3rd down pass play, we had a shot to win the game…

 

[awbuzz]

Is there a CBK post game press conference?

I can only find an audio on https://ramblinwreck.com/football-recap-syr-2024/
Can't link only to the comments.

Bottom line "we didn't execute".

Regarding the penalty, go to around the 7:45 mark for the question and answer... downs over yards, had been giving up chunk plays.

 

[jeffgt14]

“95% of the time.”

You see the problem, right?

What happened in the other 5% of cases? You apparently assume that those represent wrong decisions. Perhaps they do, perhaps they don’t. I’ve heard many a coach say over the years that sometimes you make a decision because you know where you are in the game at that moment. Those circumstances are sometimes unique and are outside the regular metrics. You clearly disagree, and I appreciate your thoughtful opinions about this, but just want you to understand that some of us think this was that 5% situation. Our defense was gassed and asking them to get one stop on 3rd and long seemed a more reasonable ask than asking them to stay on the field longer with the other team either running clock or forcing you to use timeouts. It didn’t work so that makes it easier to say it was the wrong decision but that, in my mind does not guarantee that the other decision would have worked better.

That 5% is reserved to a hold inside the 10 where the ball only moves back a couple yards.

 

[Bogey]

Hope Seems that is the case

FIFY

 

[Northeast Stinger]

That 5% is reserved to a hold inside the 10 where the ball only moves back a couple yards.

That sounds like metrics. Which I get. Honestly.

 

[awbuzz]

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These are NFL odds but I stand behind this is why you have to take the penalty.

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Can you get the chart of when you should take a penalty or not when you are losing in a one possession game with less than 2 minutes left and have been giving up chunk plays all game?

 

[Thwg777]

Can you get the chart when you are losing in a one possession game with less than 2 minutes left and have been giving up chunk plays all game?

I actually typed something like that into ChatGPT for shiggles. It says take the damn penalty.

 

[UgaBlows]

Man I won’t get over this one for at least two weeks.

We were out coached. Their coordinators outsmarted ours. Period.

Took us too long to throw the ball around. I understand the need to run the ball, but we had no creativity when it was obvious to everyone (except Faulkner obviously) that we couldn’t run it in this team.

I truly don’t understand our dedication to the bubble pass. Also, why are we not putting the ball in Boyd’s hands more? I thought Faulkner wasa TE guy. Boyd looks like he could be a weapon.

Santucci needs to do some self reflecting also. Way too committed to cover 2 and way to committed to “keeping the play in front” . Meaning… nowhere near aggressive enough.

Overall defense did NOT cost us the game. Our offense never got rolling.

A ton to learn from but hopefully they figure it out within the next two weeks. We have to open the playbook up, Trust king to throw the ball when needed, get aggressive on D, and find some freaking urgency in our 2 minute offenses!

Oh, GREAT JOB SPECIAL TEAMS! #GoJackets

I agree, our offense needed to match them blow for blow and instead wet the bed. We had a chance to go up a possession on them when it was tied 7-7 and went 3 and out, then we just blew a golden opportunity to get aggressive and tie it up with 1:49 to go in the half and just went conservative as hell and wasted the clock away, then missed the field goal. Then came out after halftime and went 3-4 downs and punted, then couldn’t convert that 4th down….just really disappointing, it felt like we shot ourselves in the foot over and over and never adjusted to their gameplan

 

[awbuzz]

I actually typed something like that into ChatGPT for shiggles. It says take the damn penalty.

More proof that chatgpt is not always right

 

[UgaBlows]

I am certain that going away from W/W/W uni’s cost us this game

 

[Backstreetbuzz]

OK, we lost a game that was basically pickem. I hate it, but it is hardly earth shattering. Let move on, go to a bowl.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

I actually typed something like that into ChatGPT for shiggles. It says take the damn penalty.

What’s the coaching record of ChatGPT ?

 

[Thwg777]

What’s the coaching record of ChatGPT ?

Probably the same as most of us. What is your point?

 

[iceeater1969]

With all the doom , we lost by 3 due a missed field goal.

Always blame the fn kicker.

 

[Jacket05]

No it's not. This is why a 2nd and 10 holding call is accepted 95+% of the time on all levels of football.

Finally something I agree with you on. 95% of the time you will accept a second and 10 holding or penalty call. The other 5% is when you're trying to save timeouts and time on the clock at the end of a game.

 

[jeffgt14]

Finally something I agree with you on. 95% of the time you will accept a second and 10 holding or penalty call. The other 5% is when you're trying to save timeouts and time on the clock at the end of a game.

We had plenty of timeouts. If we had no timeouts, I'd agree with not taking the penalty.

 

[AlabamaBuzz]

Disagree on our OL pass blocking. King often got rid of it before he needed too. He had all day because they dropped 8 a lot. Our receivers didn’t do much to get open today. Run game was horrible though. Worst I’ve seen the OL run block since the beginning of last season.

Yes, that was a typo. I meant run blocking. That’s why I mentioned the running game. Typing too fast. Thanks.