Stansbury and Collins Dismissed

[GTLorenzo]

The players - heck, EVERYONE - knew it was coming, it was just a matter of when. Collins has said or intimated that he loves his players in virtually every press conference he has had. Nobody really doubts that. Maybe the Administration had details and matters, like dismissing both the HC and the AD, that took longer to unravel and arrange than normal and could not get resolutions until Monday. Maybe they realized that they needed to get on with this, without niceties and theatrics, as quickly as possible, since there is another game in a few says, another opportunity for these aspiring professionals to demonstrate their worth to future employers. These players are grown men, they are now semi-professional with NIL. In light of Collins’s reported decorum when he left tech the last time, maybe Tech officials were concerned about giving Collins another platform and opportunity to spin his firing and trash the Institute for his own elite failures and ineptitude in making the greatest transition in the history of college football. Will there be fallout from the firing? Undoubtedly, yes, but there will be fallout whether the Admin waited a day or two and whether the players got a personal farewell address from Collins.

Refresh my memory on what happened when he left last time?

 

[bke1984]

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Having said that, I do think they could have allowed Collins to address the team prior to walking him out the door.

I think this depends on the response to being let go. We heard reports that he was notified Sunday. What if he lost his mind at that news and got aggressive? Maybe there was something that led to the president thinking it would be a bad idea for him to address the team - after all, you never know what someone plans to say in that scenario.

Or maybe it’s exactly like some are saying, and that the AA just handled it poorly.

Either way it probably doesn’t matter all that much. With a group that large some are bound to be happy and some are bound to be upset. Let’s just move on.

 

[GoJacketsInRaleigh]

Also, I have less heartburn about CGC not getting to say goodbye than I do about the way the news was leaked to the team.

Exactly. Cabrera should have called a team meeting (or had Key call it) and announce the changes to them before leaking it to the media.

 

[Vespidae]

You could do it simultaneously. Gather the team, have them in a room, let the press office do their thing while you talk to the team.

We keep finding ways to justify the crapshow that unfolded.

You could do it a hundred different ways.

The affected parties were told at 8:43am. Where are the players at that time? Presumably in class. So you pull all the players out of class before you tell the affected parties? You think they are not going to text him in advance? No, that's a crap show. And totally unfair to the guy getting canned.

 

[BuzzStone]

We don't know anything about the situation. We don't know how people react when they get fired. I promise if anyone thought Collins would keep his job it was Collins. He really believed he was doing a good job and thought he could keep his job. He might not have reacted the right way, maybe there was more to this story than we know.

 

[Vespidae]

Exactly. Cabrera should have called a team meeting (or had Key call it) and announce the changes to them before leaking it to the media.

Who says Tech leaked it? I don't think they did. I think Ken assumed what was happening and reported it. I have it on good authority that neither TStan or Collins were informed until Monday am.

 

[Oldgoldandwhite]

Do we actually know how things occurred?

We don’t know anything. All speculation. Don’t know what or how it was said to C***G***. You can’t tell the athletes first for sure.
Speculation was that it was told to Key to tell the players.
Water under the bridge. I’m moving forward.

 

[gte447f]

You could do it simultaneously. Gather the team, have them in a room, let the press office do their thing while you talk to the team.

We keep finding ways to justify the crapshow that unfolded.

There was no crapshow. Procedurally, it seems to have gone down pretty much by the book. He shouldn’t have been allowed to address the players or anyone else, and it is totally fine and normal to escort him out of the building (if that even really happened). All of this is pretty standard, and for good reason, because disgruntled staff who have just been terminated often respond emotionally and unpredictably in ways that could further harm the organization. The timing was also fine.

The only real problem seems to have been with leaked information, and that is a personnel problem with individual employees acting unprofessionally, not a policy or procedural failing of the organization.

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

You could do it a hundred different ways.

The affected parties were told at 8:43am. Where are the players at that time? Presumably in class. So you pull all the players out of class before you tell the affected parties? You think they are not going to text him in advance? No, that's a crap show. And totally unfair to the guy getting canned.

We can argue this all day. I will go back to what I have said continuously. Letting this get to Monday AM was one of MANY mistakes made in this process. The decision was obviously made Sunday since KS reported it from his source in the GTAA. Knowing that, this should have been handled Sunday when the decision was made. There were supposed to be team meetings Sunday which would have been a perfect time to inform the team while Cabrera was canning CGC and letting the press release out. We screwed it up, and have created unneeded angst among our athletes and families because of the way we handled it. We can continue to insist that we did nothing "wrong" and technically be correct. That's not helping the guys in the locker room right now, though, and there is now a 30 day window open for them to immediately transfer. As of right now, there are a couple of big names considering just that.

 

[kalld12]

You can. But in 40 years, I have never seen it. When you are done, you're done.

Culture has changed alot in 40 years, im 30 in a Director Leadership position and I can tell you, the way things were handled even 10 yrs ago, are not how their handled now. Much more sensitivity in the world around alot of different factors. I see your point, but i'm in agreement if what im hearing is true, it was very poorly handled by the GTAA.

 

[Vespidae]

We can argue this all day. I will go back to what I have said continuously. Letting this get to Monday AM was one of MANY mistakes made in this process. The decision was obviously made Sunday since KS reported it from his source in the GTAA. Knowing that, this should have been handled Sunday when the decision was made. There were supposed to be team meetings Sunday which would have been a perfect time to inform the team while Cabrera was canning CGC and letting the press release out. We screwed it up, and have created unneeded angst among our athletes and families because of the way we handled it. We can continue to insist that we did nothing "wrong" and technically be correct. That's not helping the guys in the locker room right now, though, and there is now a 30 day window open for them to immediately transfer. As of right now, there are a couple of big names considering just that.

Well, you should send a letter to Cabrera telling him to revise his Institute's process for terminating employees. Cabrera didn't leak it, someone else did.

I'm fine with how it was handled. Seems like a typical playbook and the press got the jump. It happens.

 

[RonJohn]

That's not helping the guys in the locker room right now, though, and there is now a 30 day window open for them to immediately transfer. As of right now, there are a couple of big names considering just that.

This might be the next large argument on the forum. I won't discuss who because it is based largely on speculation, but I think there is a big name that will transfer out for reasons other than how CGC was fired. I think people will be trying to blame transfers on something: lack of notifications of firings, player can't handle discipline, player was Collin's pet player, etc. Truth is: There probably will be a large number of transfers. Most of those are going to be for multiple reasons instead of just one. Posters here are going to pick one reason and assign that reason to every single transfer and argue Player X lost confidence in GT because of how Collins was fires VS Player X can't handle discipline and just wants a huggy-feely atmosphere.

 

[roadkill]

Culture has changed alot in 40 years, im 30 in a Director Leadership position and I can tell you, the way things were handled even 10 yrs ago, are not how their handled now. Much more sensitivity in the world around alot of different factors. I see your point, but i'm in agreement if what im hearing is true, it was very poorly handled by the GTAA.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but it seems like what you're saying is that when a manager is fired, they should then be allowed to call their team together and tell them they've been canned. Have you actually seen or been part of this type of process? I agree that things have changed in the last ten years, but I've also never seen it done that way.

 

[Vespidae]

This might be the next large argument on the forum. I won't discuss who because it is based largely on speculation, but I think there is a big name that will transfer out for reasons other than how CGC was fired. I think people will be trying to blame transfers on something: lack of notifications of firings, player can't handle discipline, player was Collin's pet player, etc. Truth is: There probably will be a large number of transfers. Most of those are going to be for multiple reasons instead of just one. Posters here are going to pick one reason and assign that reason to every single transfer and argue Player X lost confidence in GT because of how Collins was fires VS Player X can't handle discipline and just wants a huggy-feely atmosphere.

Probably not. Transfers can now find any reason whatsoever to move on. Tennessee didn't get moving again until they cycled all of Butch Jones' recruits out. We live in a world now where the team will change annually. I don't think any team can delay decisions because a player might make a transfer decision.

 

[roadkill]

This might be the next large argument on the forum. I won't discuss who because it is based largely on speculation, but I think there is a big name that will transfer out for reasons other than how CGC was fired. I think people will be trying to blame transfers on something: lack of notifications of firings, player can't handle discipline, player was Collin's pet player, etc. Truth is: There probably will be a large number of transfers. Most of those are going to be for multiple reasons instead of just one. Posters here are going to pick one reason and assign that reason to every single transfer and argue Player X lost confidence in GT because of how Collins was fires VS Player X can't handle discipline and just wants a huggy-feely atmosphere.

Yes, I can envision a lot of speculation happening about player motivations for transfers.

 

[GoJacketsInRaleigh]

Who says Tech leaked it? I don't think they did. I think Ken assumed what was happening and reported it. I have it on good authority that neither TStan or Collins were informed until Monday am.

Your claim in Ken just ran wild with a story he made up hoping it would come true on Monday? Holy hell do you understand how silly this sounds?

 

[kalld12]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but it seems like what you're saying is that when a manager is fired, they should then be allowed to call their team together and tell them they've been canned. Have you actually seen or been part of this type of process? I agree that things have changed in the last ten years, but I've also never seen it done that way.

Not what I said at all. I'm saying that the way you go about relieving people of their duties must be well thought out and planned prior to executing the firing. Of course when comparing a CFB Coach firing to an employee is slightly different in the fact that in most cases employees have a chance to grab their belongings and things before being escorted out. There are so many things that go into firing an individual nowadays that have to be cleared through HR due to diversity factors, sex factors, and all that was done to try and prevent the firing before the final nail in the coffin when the product isn't matching expectations. In the case of Geoff, I have more of an issue with how the news broke in relation to when Geoff found out. I personally would have liked Geoff to have been able to address the team after his firing with the caveat that he be told what he can and cannot say at the time. We need to keep as much of the talent on the roster as we can for the new coach, similar to when CPJ came in and got Gailey's talented roster. Believe it or not we have some damn good ball players on this team, just poorly coached. I worry about the fallout within the team and the impacts on the next 1-2 seasons.

 

[wvGT11]

Before he was dismissed at Tech, Geoff Collins came to work Monday morning

While his firing had been reported Sunday, former Georgia Tech coach Geoff Collins showed up to work Monday morning to lead preparations for the Yellow Jackets’ upcoming game against Pittsburgh.

www.ajc.com

Sugiura confirming that Collins had not been officially told and showed up for work Monday morning despite the news having leaked, leading to "confusion, uncertainty and perhaps aggravation among staff and players."

Damn paywall. Can anyone post a non paywalled version?

 

[Vespidae]

Your claim in Ken just ran wild with a story he made up hoping it would come true on Monday? Holy hell do you understand how silly this sounds?

I think almost everyone knew, or suspected, that both would be canned on Monday. That's not wild speculation. That's deductive reasoning. My point is that I do not believe Tech intentionally leaked information in advance. Ken had his sources and reported what he understood to be true. But ... at the time Ken reported it, the act had NOT been done. So it was speculative on his part. Or at least a little.

 

[FolkHall]

Damn paywall. Can anyone post a non paywalled version?

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