Singleton to Portal

[Techfan02]

I'm not pissed about singleton transfering, now if he goes to the mutts we need to give him hell for it.

 

[alagold]

If you don't work the portal market hard your team EVERY yr will be a question mark at best. If he goes we need a speed guy (who can catch!!!) to offer a down threat for the whole run/pass OFfense

 

[1979jacket]

It's the nature of the game now - have to accept it.

 

[Yaller Jacket]

I'd love to find a guy who has both speed and size. As said above, we have lost talent and added talent through the portal. We will have to wait and see how this turns out.

 

[Dirty Jacket]

So, that leaves us with these guys returning…

Malik Rutherford
Bailey Stockton
Isiah Canion

Sign me up.

 

[stinger78]

I have been saying this for a while. How many times can you go to the boosters and say you need $500k for a player before the boosters can't give any more? This is especially true if the results on the field aren't commensurate with the NIL's being handed out.

I just don't see how college teams are going to continue to be able to continue to have million dollar QB's year after year. This isn't the NFL, the schools aren't paying the NIL out of the AA budget.

This does bring on a thought though, is there a possibility to make NIL contributions equal to AT contributions or even seat license fees. For example if you give $5,000 to the Tech Way the school will allow you buy Club Level Season Tickets at face value?

I guess we’re fixing to see. One or two more iterations of this and I’m out. I just want to see the NCAA reinstate our 2009 ACC championship before I hit the exit.

 

[Tommy_Taylor_1972]

I would like Singleton back. As disappointing as it would be to lose him, he is simply doing what many of the posters here would do if placed in this circumstance.

As a Georgia Tech graduate and four year full grant-in-aid playing basketball, I would not transfer even in today's environment. There was much more money to be made and opportunities to be enjoyed throughout my life by being a Tech grad and by sticking to the commitment decision I made as an 18 year old. It took that type commitment to be on the team with the most wins in the first 60 years of Tech basketball, the team setting the single game and season attendance record, and us participating in one of two post-season tournaments with only 41 participants and invited to both, advancing in the NIT to the elite 8 and then to the finals.

Nobody would have ever considered transferring from the team, being it was such an honor to be there. It took that commitment to the team for us to win and to have a truly loyal and committed fan base. Same for the football team and all other sports teams. The Atlanta papers, with sports reporters such as Furman Bisher and Lewis Grizzard, even knew our names from year to year and were very positive as well.

 

[CLHarperJackt]

What happened to the relative value of an old matchup like Harvard/Yale compared to those others you list when they decided not to go after the best players?

What happened to the value of a newer one like Miami/VT that didn’t have much history when they did start getting the best players?

Winning and losing brings about a relative rise and fall of attention and interest in a school's team from "college" football fans. The point remains, however, remove the any and all association of these "best" players from colleges and universities and all that money to watch these "best" players would dries up. A contest between the very same players for VT and Miami without any association what so ever to any college or university wouldn't even sellout Midtown Highschool stadium. On the other hand, contests between teams of the 1950-60's SEC and SWC, which admittedly and specifically were not composed of the best college aged players in the land, were massive sellouts, with standing room only crowds.

Moreover, the Harvard Yale game is still also very, very big to Harvard and Yale, and victory in that game matters very much to them. Many alumni return, the stadiums sold out and big donations are made for the game every year. The schools of the Ivy League association are so rich, close and exclusive that they don't need and are largely un-concerned with enhancing their perception though athletic competition with non-peer institutions, but the partying and celebrations on campus after victory indicates to the most casual observer how strongly they care about beating each other in football, basketball and crew too.

 

[stinger78]

As a Georgia Tech graduate and four year full grant-in-aid playing basketball, I would not transfer even in today's environment. There was much more money to be made and opportunities to be enjoyed throughout my life by being a Tech grad and by sticking to the commitment decision I made as an 18 year old. It took that type commitment to be on the team with the most wins in the first 60 years of Tech basketball, the team setting the single game and season attendance record, and us participating in one of two post-season tournaments with only 41 participants and invited to both, advancing in the NIT to the elite 8 and then to the finals.

Nobody would have ever considered transferring from the team, being it was such an honor to be there. It took that commitment to the team for us to win and to have a truly loyal and committed fan base. Same for the football team and all other sports teams. The Atlanta papers, with sports reporters such as Furman Bisher and Lewis Grizzard, even knew our names from year to year and were very positive as well.

Honor? You speak of honor in college sports today?

 

[minorityoption]

As a Georgia Tech graduate and four year full grant-in-aid playing basketball, I would not transfer even in today's environment. There was much more money to be made and opportunities to be enjoyed throughout my life by being a Tech grad and by sticking to the commitment decision I made as an 18 year old. It took that type commitment to be on the team with the most wins in the first 60 years of Tech basketball, the team setting the single game and season attendance record, and us participating in one of two post-season tournaments with only 41 participants and invited to both, advancing in the NIT to the elite 8 and then to the finals.

Nobody would have ever considered transferring from the team, being it was such an honor to be there. It took that commitment to the team for us to win and to have a truly loyal and committed fan base. Same for the football team and all other sports teams. The Atlanta papers, with sports reporters such as Furman Bisher and Lewis Grizzard, even knew our names from year to year and were very positive as well.

I appreciate your logic and loyalty.

 

[cpf2001]

Winning and losing brings about a relative rise and fall of attention and interest in a school's team from "college" football fans. The point remains, however, remove the any and all association of these "best" players from colleges and universities and all that money to watch these "best" players would dries up. A contest between the very same players for VT and Miami without any association what so ever to any college or university wouldn't even sellout Midtown Highschool stadium. On the other hand, contests between teams of the 1950-60's SEC and SWC, which admittedly and specifically were not composed of not the best players, were massive sellout crowds, with standing room only crowds. Moreover, the Harvard Yale game is still also very, very big to Harvard and Yale, and victory in that game matters very much to them. Many alumni return and big donations are made for the game every year. The schools of the Ivy League association are so rich, close and exclusive that they don't need nor are largely un-concerned with enhancing their perception though athletic competition with non-peer institutions, but the partying and celebrations on campus after victory indicates to the most casual observer how strongly they care about beating each other in football, basketball and crew too.

Celebration isn’t what we were talking about. You said you never felt the schools were making money off the athletes. Plainly FSU brings in more money from their football now than the more historical Ivy schools. Plainly Miami brings in more money off it now than they did before they started bringing in the best players. If Michigan and Ohio State both stopped recruiting the best, it would take a while for their revenues to fall. But they’d fall, relative to the schools that kept it up, eventually - just like for everyone else that has dropped out of the top tier historically.

 

[SOWEGA Jacket]

Winning and losing brings about a relative rise and fall of attention and interest in a school's team from "college" football fans. The point remains, however, remove the any and all association of these "best" players from colleges and universities and all that money to watch these "best" players would dries up. A contest between the very same players for VT and Miami without any association what so ever to any college or university wouldn't even sellout Midtown Highschool stadium. On the other hand, contests between teams of the 1950-60's SEC and SWC, which admittedly and specifically were not composed of not the best players, were massive sellout crowds, with standing room only crowds. Moreover, the Harvard Yale game is still also very, very big to Harvard and Yale, and victory in that game matters very much to them. Many alumni return and big donations are made for the game every year. The schools of the Ivy League association are so rich, close and exclusive that they don't need nor are largely un-concerned with enhancing their perception though athletic competition with non-peer institutions, but the partying and celebrations on campus after victory indicates to the most casual observer how strongly they care about beating each other in football, basketball and crew too.

Exactly. That’s why I root for the 11 GT uniforms on the field and not the person inside the uniform. They don’t even know I exist and I’ll forget them the minute they aren’t one of the eleven. If Singleton were to come back I’d root for h8m just like I’ll root for his replacement as one of the eleven. Same for King or any player. I love Jamaal Haynes. I love his moxie and talent. But when he is no longer one of the eleven I’ll root for the next guy. We now have a system for the GT program to be successful and losing a few players isn’t gonna keep me up at night because every team will lose some players.

 

[MtnWasp]

Maybe Singleton will be visited tonight by three ghosts: The ghost of college football past, the ghost of college football present and the ghost of college football yet to be. And when he wakes up he will rebuke his greed and stay at Gt for the sake of loyalty and honor.

Could happen.

 

[stinger78]

Maybe Singleton will be visited tonight by three ghosts: The ghost of college football past, the ghost of college football present and the ghost of college football yet to be. And when he wakes up he will rebuke his greed and stay at Gt for the sake of loyalty and honor.

Could happen.

 

[MtnWasp]

Winning and losing brings about a relative rise and fall of attention and interest in a school's team from "college" football fans. The point remains, however, remove the any and all association of these "best" players from colleges and universities and all that money to watch these "best" players would dries up. A contest between the very same players for VT and Miami without any association what so ever to any college or university wouldn't even sellout Midtown Highschool stadium. On the other hand, contests between teams of the 1950-60's SEC and SWC, which admittedly and specifically were not composed of the best college aged players in the land, were massive sellouts, with standing room only crowds.

Moreover, the Harvard Yale game is still also very, very big to Harvard and Yale, and victory in that game matters very much to them. Many alumni return, the stadiums sold out and big donations are made for the game every year. The schools of the Ivy League association are so rich, close and exclusive that they don't need and are largely un-concerned with enhancing their perception though athletic competition with non-peer institutions, but the partying and celebrations on campus after victory indicates to the most casual observer how strongly they care about beating each other in football, basketball and crew too.

The comparison of Ivy league schools to land grant universities is a red herring. The Ivy league schools cherry pick larval elites to perpetuate an establishment that assures the schools a continuous torrential river of money. The endowments of Harvard and Yale are absolutely enormous and athletics there is just one of their quirky enrichments, like the rathskeller or secret societies, on their way along the short path to the top of the social ladder.

Even the Ivy League institutions have changed. They used to be about training the next generation of wise societal leaders. Now they are huge capital black holes.

Gt may actually offer a more rigorous education in many majors than those of the Ivy League schools, but it doesn't matter because GT is still grinding out worker bees and that is not what the Ivy League is about. Similarly, GT football players are deadly serious about their football because their futures depend on it, whereas Football in the Ivy league is a glorified club sport.

My best friend growing up had a big brother who was a second generation football player at Yale. he went on to a Rhodes Scholarship, then back to Yale for an MBA/JD program, then on to Goldman Sachs and then an early retirement. That is their "NFL"

 

[orientalnc]

I don't know. As many posters have already said, this is mainly a way to gauge his value. His family was very vocal about the value of a Tech degree and really high on academics. He already asked GT for more and was told no. I would venture to guess he is going to find an offer he thinks is "fair", bring it back to HCBK and see if we do anything. If we get in the ballpark, I think he comes back. If Key thinks it's too high, then Singleton leaves. J Batt literally just did the same thing to us a week ago.

A thought on this whole thing: There needs to be incentive bonuses in these contracts. Just like HCBK has incentives in his, the players should have some in theirs like the NFL players do.

If we want to play with the big boys we have to be ready for the competition. If Singleton is after the money and we cannot afford him, why should we be upset with him? Key & Batt just got big raises. I can see why he might be interested in getting one also.

 

[CLHarperJackt]

Celebration isn’t what we were talking about. You said you never felt the schools were making money off the athletes. Plainly FSU brings in more money from their football now than the more historical Ivy schools. Plainly Miami brings in more money off it now than they did before they started bringing in the best players. If Michigan and Ohio State both stopped recruiting the best, it would take a while for their revenues to fall. But they’d fall, relative to the schools that kept it up, eventually - just like for everyone else that has dropped out of the top tier historically.

And I stand by what I said. Judging by the size of their respective the endowments and campus construction projects, I dare say the athletic competitions between Harvard and Yale brings in more money to Harvard and Yale, than having the best players brings into the U of Miami.

 

[MtnWasp]

Are you trying to tell me that we would have a better chance of playing Pick-Up Sticks with our buttcheeks than have Singleton return to Gt because of school spirit?

 

[TampaBuzz]

I have been saying this for a while. How many times can you go to the boosters and say you need $500k for a player before the boosters can't give any more? This is especially true if the results on the field aren't commensurate with the NIL's being handed out.

I just don't see how college teams are going to continue to be able to continue to have million dollar QB's year after year. This isn't the NFL, the schools aren't paying the NIL out of the AA budget.

This does bring on a thought though, is there a possibility to make NIL contributions equal to AT contributions or even seat license fees. For example if you give $5,000 to the Tech Way the school will allow you buy Club Level Season Tickets at face value?

Someone better set up one heck of a trust fund!

 

[Techster]

So, that leaves us with these guys returning…

Malik Rutherford
Bailey Stockton
Isiah Canion

Not many people have been talking about Canion. He flashed some really nice tools against UGA and VT, and made some nice plays.

4 star WR out of HS, and has that big body everyone wants (6-4, 210 lbs). Has some short space quickness, and glides by defenders.

IMO, we'll see a lot of him next season now that Singleton and Blackburn aren't around to take reps away.