Question, what makes a kid a 2,3,4,5 star

okiemon

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Then there is the “if Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Clemson, etc. (insert name of big-time major college football power here) are recruiting him, he must be a 4- or 5-Star” group-think mentality.

I dunno. Seems to me quite a bit of subjectivity here, rather than a precise methodology.

That may well be. But in the final analysis, either the schools with the top-rated recruiting classes tend to win more, or the schools that win more tend to get the top-rated recruiting classes. Either way, there seems to be a connection. And either way, we’re more often than not on the outside looking in.


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If recruiting didnt matter then bama, Clemson and Ohio state wouldnt be in the championship game every year. They are in the top 10 every year and are good coaches. Sure a great coach can make an2 or 3 star better. And sure you never know till they play an away game on a big stage how they turn out. But if 5 star and 4 star recruits didnt matter then GT, South Carolina, Vandy, Toledo, Houston, Ohio university, boise state, San Diego state, and Virginia tech would all have more championships. You give saban only 2 and 3 stars with the occasional 4 star, he loses 3-4 games a year. Without a doubt in my mind.
 

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If recruiting didnt matter then bama, Clemson and Ohio state wouldnt be in the championship game every year. They are in the top 10 every year and are good coaches. Sure a great coach can make an2 or 3 star better. And sure you never know till they play an away game on a big stage how they turn out. But if 5 star and 4 star recruits didnt matter then GT, South Carolina, Vandy, Toledo, Houston, Ohio university, boise state, San Diego state, and Virginia tech would all have more championships. You give saban only 2 and 3 stars with the occasional 4 star, he loses 3-4 games a year. Without a doubt in my mind.

While generally true, its not everything. If you ignore last year, Georgia had Top 10 recruiting classes for a decade straight. Yet 2 of the previous 4 years they hadn't even finished as a ranked team. And that's while playing in the weakest division in all of P5 football. Georgia Tech has more wins under CPJ than Tennessee has during the same period. Tennessee's average recruiting ranking over the last 10 years is #13. Ours is what - mid 40s?
 
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The stance of these high-horsers seems to be our players are kids who can’t be criticized for on the field play because it will hurt their feelings, but the other teams players can be called thugs, morons, and other personal insults all day long.

it's funny how that works. Especially on the other board, GT fans/grads like to show how much better they are than everyone else by completely belittling and insulting anyone who chose a different path than they did.
 

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That justifies bashing “kids”?

Nothing. You should never get personal in respects to SA’s. For any team. It’s always a bad show of sportsmanship. However, being critical of an individual player not consistently performing is perfectly fine in my book as long as it’s a technical criticism.
 

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Boils down to who sees you play and who is recruiting you and that most famed word "Potential".
Meaning at best the star rankings are a shot in the dark. Example after example of 5star flameouts and 3star Hall of Famers means we shouldn't too excited what an 17 year old kid does against 15 year olds when he will be 18 years old playing against 22 year olds.
 

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Guys, this argument is very, very old. Assuming you have good, competent coaching, if you get more 4 and 5 star guys, your odds of competing at the highest level are much better, bottomline.

We can always find examples both ways, where 4-5 star guys were a bust OR where a 2 star guy works and becomes a 4-5 star guy, but if you are trying to compete at the highest level with 2 and middle to low 3 star guys, then you will probably not succeed even if you are the best coach in America.
 

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A lot of this reminds me (again) of Moneyball. Football "experts" gage high school kids the same way that old style baseball scouts gaged baseball players: do they have "tools"? Usually they are working with a much smaller set of games to evaluate that and tend to look at film to do it. Then they bring kids into camps and try to get some basic measurable our of them, just like the scouts did with Billy Bean. Sometimes this works as an evaluation tool because some athletes are conspicuously more talented. Bean was often compared to Darryl Strawberry and both of them were star athletes of comparable "tools". There isn't any comparison between the two in terms of their playing ability, however. That's why baseball teams do so much more stats these days. It is also why the pros, who have a much more substantial number of games against much better competition to use (NCAA = NFL minor leagues) and a much more standard set of requirements, generally do a better job of evaluating talent.

So what makes the difference? A sheer lack of will to develop the stats that will allow better evaluation of high school players is a big part of it. There are people working on this and, with literally thousands of high school games to work with, you would think they would do better. Of course, the football Darryl Strawberries stand out at once and would under any circumstances. But … even when you get to the 4 stars the evaluations are a lot less useful, imho. One reason we have so often out-performed our recruiting ratings is that, like the pros, Tech has a standard set of requirements for it's offense and in finding players who fit we are often competing with fewer schools for the talent we want. This doesn't apply to the D side and that, imho, helps explain why our success there has been more limited.

Well, enough.
 
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