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A minority of Clemson players make it to the NFL, despite what it may feel like.
Question, what makes a kid a 2,3,4,5 star
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A minority of Clemson players make it to the NFL, despite what it may feel like.
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Man...you nailed this. I have lurked for a while and noticed that there are some on here and other boards where if you call out one of our players for poor performance specifically they berate you. Saying you can’t talk about our SAs fault and you shouldn’t berate our student athletes. But they are the first ones to state that another programs player is too dumb to go to GT. It’s real hypocritical.
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Not to split hairs, but we’re the fans of GT, not the other programs.
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Well they are about to send their front 4 to the nfl this year, 1st round haha
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They had 3 players drafted this year total, nobody inside the top 100.
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None of them would start at Clemson except for Harvin and maybe Carpenter. Cottrell may be faster, but he's not close to better than any of those running backs.
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I don't believe the gt posted weights .
The RG for phs is being recruited by gt. He has moved to center after he committed to Clemson as that is where they plan for him to play.
His GPA is 3.9 and his ACT is 29.5.
We still might get him.
If there is one there are probably more and no he does not drive a tractor. The real issue with Clemson imo it is not the intellect of the players, it's the fake courses of study masquerading as a college degree where some hide out. Its borderline exploitation
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Well, Clemson’s current recruiting class has 0 5-stars and 12 3-stars.
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Fair enough. They’ll end up with their share though. They also have some really good coaches which is the other side of this. Stars are great but even then you need to coach them up. PJ used to be good at this, but the trend over the last 3 years is that the talent level has dropped and the ability to coach it up has also seemingly dropped. Not a good combo.
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In 2015 and 2016 Florida St had the number 3 and number 2 recruiting class. How's that working out for them now. 2015 USC had the number 1 class. 4 five stars. They are 1-2 at this point I believe. Tell me again about recruiting.
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Just honestly curious.... How do you know Carpenter would? We have seen him play 2 games. Not counting special teams last season. (USF game he was ejected)
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It's coaching. A coach is a teacher is they can't teach there are not much of a coach. It doesn't help that the coach knows what to do if he can get the point across to the player. Knowing something doesn't not make a coach. ( does sound familiar doesn't it )
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9 of the top 17 classes are currently in the SEC. Yet outside of 4 or 5 teams, the SEC proves to be year after year just another regular conference in football. There is absolutely a trend with recruiting rankings and player ability. But a lot more goes into it, such as discipline problems (if they exist or not, someone's personal drive to get better), coaching, and yes fluff. Some teams have top 10-15 recruiting rankings every year and don't even play 0.500 football. The key (IMHO) is getting those players who have a good head on their shoulders, fit your culture and scheme, and having good coaches on staff and resources to help make them successful.
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Again, coaching matters also properly filling needs. FSU has great skill players but they have neglected the OL. If FSU had a capable OL they would be much better right now. Coaching matters.
Look at UGA. For years their OL was a liability because Richt didn’t emphasize it enough. Kirby gets hired and what does he do? Fills it with 5 star guys, average 320 pounds AND hired the best OL coach in the business in Sam Pittman. Talent and coaching. That’s the head coaches job. That’s what has made David successful. Is Dabo a great X’s and O’s Guy? Nope. He was a WR coach before being thrust into the interim HC role. But you know Dabo has done? Hired great coaches and assistants while he focuses on running the organization. No different from Nick Saban. He constantly gets good coaches and if they are deficient or become a distraction he gets rid of them.
Which brings us to GT. We have a HC/OC. We have a HC trying to do two jobs. We have seen a talented and experienced OL not develop one iota and we have complained about Sewak for years but rather than fix the issue, PJ has allowed it continue. PJ is loyal to a fault. He is HC and everything that happens under him is his responsibility. If he chooses to stick with mediocre coaches (he has) and recruit mediocre talent (he has) we will get mediocre results (we have).
During our best years we had good talent which overcame mediocre coaching. Now we have a talent drop off with similar coaching (Nate Woody notwithstanding) and we have seen the results. Either fix the talent or get better coaches/assistants. It would be great to do both.
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Well, in the last 5 classes FSU has taken 8 OL rated 4-stars and 10 OL rated 3-stars. I think the talent (on paper) is there just like it is at the skill positions. Their culture for some reason has absolutely collapsed the last couple of years where its almost like a big percentage of their players just don't care right now.
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A better question to ask is, “How accurate are ‘recruiting rankings’?”
Take the “ESPN Top 300,” for example. How does ESPN select the “top 300 high school football players” out of the total number of high school football seniors (of which there are hundreds of thousands of them or even million(s) of them)?
Not to mention the “experts” who select the “top 5- and 4-Star” recruits in the various “college football recruiting” magazines ... of which many folks subscribe to.
Then there is the “if Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Clemson, etc. (insert name of big-time major college football power here) are recruiting him, he must be a 4- or 5-Star” group-think mentality.
I dunno. Seems to me quite a bit of subjectivity here, rather than a precise methodology.
Take the “ESPN Top 300,” for example. How does ESPN select the “top 300 high school football players” out of the total number of high school football seniors (of which there are hundreds of thousands of them or even million(s) of them)?
Not to mention the “experts” who select the “top 5- and 4-Star” recruits in the various “college football recruiting” magazines ... of which many folks subscribe to.
Then there is the “if Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Clemson, etc. (insert name of big-time major college football power here) are recruiting him, he must be a 4- or 5-Star” group-think mentality.
I dunno. Seems to me quite a bit of subjectivity here, rather than a precise methodology.
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Star ratings for football players are like art appreciation. You might not be able to articulate what makes a painting a masterpiece, but you know it when you see it.