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Discussion in 'Georgia Tech Football' started by RickStromFan, Apr 4, 2019.

  1. RickStromFan

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    That'd be nice though I doubt the Coastal will be as crappy and weak as it's been the past few years. It can't get much weaker than the 2018 Coastal.
     
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  2. LibertyTurns

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    CGC took the job knowing GT’s situation and the level of talent of our competition. Time to put the big boy pants on & not hide under mommy’s skirt claiming vicious, nasty ACC teams are ganging up on us and we’re at a disadvantage because GT imposes too many roadblocks for their student athletes & sports teams.

    I’m not reading that in anything CGC is saying, anything he’s tweeting or anything else for that matter & until he proves me wrong I’ll consider him a honest man.
     
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    Thank you for your confession, Preacher, that you are confused. Indisputably true.

    You would have been a perfect candidate for one of our last 3 ADs, however, since you have little understanding about what or how long it takes to build a successful P5 football program (although there were extenuating circumstances with Radakovich). People like you will be the first to whine when the 2019 season turns out to be what it is--a rebuilding year.
     
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  4. smathis30

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    In gaileys three years in the coastal, GT had the second most ACC wins (2005-2007) trailing just VT
    In CPJs first four years, GT had the second most ACC wins, trailing just VT (2008-2011)
    In CPJS middle three years (2012-2014), GT had the most ACC wins in the coastal, beating VT and Miami by 3 wins each
    In CPJS last four years (2015-2018), GT had the 5th most ACC wins, trailing UNC, Pitt, VT, and Miami

    Its not roadblocks, its just once you really take a look at it, Paul did great things to Georgia Techs football program, but it does not look in any shape or form to be returning to that. 5th place is just straight up bad, mp way to paint it. Even if you did include 2014 in that last number, it still only bumps it up to 4. GT has fallen behind where it used to be, no doubt about it.
     
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    @smathis30 I must not have been clear. What I was referring to was multiple two sided arguments on here-

    there’s no roadblocks, but there are/were under my guy. Pick your topic.

    Some act like the coach gets to select the conditions under which he’s employed- competition, GT mandated rules, etc and everything else is unfair or needs some asterisk next to it
     
  6. RickStromFan

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    It'll be nice to no longer hear nonsense about ACC Scheduling Conspiracies ("OMG Bye weeks!") and the constant belief that the refs screwed us over.
     
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    What leads you to believe that this will all of a sudden end?
     
  8. Heisman's Ghost

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    I don't know about "crappy and weak" but it most certainly can and probably will be crazy and frenzied. It usually is. It's not called "Coastal Chaos" for nothing.
     
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    I would not say these are nonsense. Why is there a police escort after the game for the referees? Just because there is a coaching change, the refs remain the same.

    By far the ACC has the worst officiating crews in NCAA football. And need the police escort. (Humor intended, sort of)
     
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    Football is more than scheme and recruiting. Communication, coaching, selling our players on our system, and motivation are all big factors as well. From what I have seen so far, CGC and staff are committed to excellence in these areas as well as recruiting. We are going to be fine.
    Go Jackets!

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    I do think ACC refs (football) need upgrading if you will. But the Police escort is as much about getting them through the crowds and to airport as anything I am told. Who knows.

    If they changed to street clothes and walked out of stadium afterwards nobody would probably recognize them.
     
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    The "OMG Scheduling!" and cheating refs both centered around the bizarre conspiratorial belief that the ACC was, for reasons never explained, out to get PJ. Now that PJ has retired, no reason for that to exist anymore.
     
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    UVA was the only team that had 8 wins last year. Miami fired their coach, ours retired, VPI was dismal, Duke was avg at best. Crappy and weak is probably polite. True, that does result in 'chaos' but let's not pretend that any team in the Coastal in 2018 was very good, esp. considering no team finished even close to the top 25.
     
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    "The refs are very bad and officiating stinks" is not the same as "The refs specifically made bad calls against us". Which IS nonsense.
     
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    Collectively they were not good in 2018, we will see about 2019. Miami has talent and Virginia has been making noise. We will see. This year they may all end up..."crappy and weak...crazy and frenzied" all at once.
     
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    Let's look at 2016 - 2018. That would leave out the injury sunami of 2015, something I don't think anybody would blame Paul for. If we do that, Tech is fourth with 13 wins, one win behind Pitt (14), two behind VT (15) and three behind da U (16). UNC drops out because of two straight 1 - 7 years.

    Iow, I don't dispute your point; we should have done better, especially in 2016. What I am saying - again - is that the Coastal is always pretty close and the results, year by year, are often a matter of sheer bum luck between teams that are pretty evenly matched. If the stars align then teams can do ok, but the overall picture is of a cockpit. This is why I fail to be impressed with Rick's continual harping on Duke and Pitt. Our recent record against them isn't as good as we'd like. Oth, we've beaten VT four out of our last five games and only one of those - 2018 - was a blowout. And this is a team that consistently out recruits every team in the ACC, except FSU, da U, and Clemson. It isn't, iow, that the Coastal is "weak" or that Paul's O wasn't as effective as before; it's that the teams are evenly matched, are beating up on each other regularly, and have been doing so for years. And, as might be expected, the final results are usually due to close games between the top 4 - 5 teams in the division.

    A lot will change under Coach, but this balance won't. If we become the stud duck of the Coastal, he should be ACC Coach of the Decade. We'll see.
     
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    Well this I can say, is that GT is playing with the big boys now.

    https://n.rivals.com/news/rivals-camp-series-atlanta-five-teams-that-should-be-pleased

    “It’s been a while since a coaching change has so drastically revamped a school’s perception. On Friday, Georgia Tech commit Jalen Huff said it’s “like a whole new school,” while fellow verbal pledge Ryan King used the words “drip” and “swag” to describe the new feel on campus. Tech is recruiting at a higher level these days and it was apparent that the reputation of the school has already shifted in and around Atlanta. If things go well on the field under new head coach Geoff Collins this fall, momentum will continue to build for Tech, which seems to finally be using its enviable geographic location to its advantage.”
     
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    2015 encapsulates that every team except for GT and Duke had a coaching change though. No way to paint it, it’s bad. Bump 2015 to the review group and GT drops from 1st to 4th. 2015 is ugly but we can’t just pretend it did t happen lol. Injuries hurt in 2015, but graduation hurt more. On a related note, check out this years starters. We’ll have even fewer returning starters than 2015. We couldn’t run outside because 4 A backs graduated and we were less experienced. We couldn’t run up the middle as our best guard and two best B backs graduated. So pass the ball? Not when your two receivers graduate. I don’t see how arguing how close games between 5 teams and that the coastal is strong aren’t pulling in opposite directions. 6 teams winning in 6 years and the longest championship drought of any division in college football says we suck *** to me, but hey you do you. VT hasn’t beaten us recently, yes, but they have fell off a cliff since 2011. And they beat Duke and Pitt. The argument is that GT should be doing better, and with CPJ getting similar, if not worse, results than Gailey, especially the last few years. It’s not that he should have done better, he should have been expected to do better, given VT having 1 10 win season in the last 7 years and Miami being in its 4th coach in 12 years and on sanctions for all but the last two, what should have been the next man up in GT to take the crown, but instead nothing came of it.
     
  19. LibertyTurns

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    We complained about 7-5, 7-5, 7-5, 7-5 and said we wanted variety. We traded it for 11-3, 3-9, 9-4, 5-6, 7-6. So much for variety that stinks now.

    What we really want is good variety, 12-2, 10-4, 11-3, 9-5, etc and we want that with scholar athletes, cheap ticket prices, plenty of parking and tailgate areas, no traffic, beer delivery service to our seats and a free steak dinner afterwards. Oh forgot, 3:30 or night games only and no blue uniforms.
     
  20. takethepoints

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    1. We never have a problem seeing the ACC "eat it's own children" in basketball. That's what is happening in the Coastal and has been for years. And, since the team ending up as the Atlantic champ was either FSU or Clemson, two teams everybody has problems beating, I don't see the drought as indicting too much of anything, except that the Atlantic has the best team in the conference.
    2. "The argument is that GT should be doing better, and with CPJ getting similar, if not worse, results than Gailey, especially the last few years." I remind you that in 2016, a time well within what most anybody would call "the last few years", we won 9 games. As we did four times during Paul's regime at Tech. And as Chan did once. It's interesting how selective people's vision can become when they are convinced that things are going badly. It would have been nice if we could have taken the reins in the Coastal, but that balance I wrote of earlier made that difficult.

    Look, I know there are people here who were hot for a change because they thought we had stagnated and weren't doing as well as we should. Maybe they are right; none of us know right now. Like I said before, I'd be content if Coach does as well as Paul and happy if he does better. One thing that I don't think will change, however, is the balance in the Coastal.
     
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