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I'm tired of every thread turning into a Ted Roof bash/defend cluster####. Can we consolidate this mess and leave the other threads alone?
I'm tired of every thread turning into a Ted Roof bash/defend cluster####. Can we consolidate this mess and leave the other threads alone?
Bud Foster, Manny Diaz, John Papuchis, Pete Sirmon, John Knowles, Brent Venables, Charles Kelly. Where does Roof rank among these guys? Would you trade him for anyone of these?I'm tired of every thread turning into a Ted Roof bash/defend cluster####. Can we consolidate this mess and leave the other threads alone?
Gosh, it seems like I have been saying it now for 4-5 years. That no matter who is in his defense, his scheme is no good for us and we won't be good on D. We have had flashes, but never in a season can we truly rely on the D it seems for a big stop. Its always a bit of a prayer and more often than not, big 3rd downs from a mile away are converted it seems. Although, the closest maybe was 2015; but it was such an overall dumpster of a season it was so hard to gage.
So I could break from what I have been in general correct about for half a decade on roof, and say we will be better, this year....I could. I mean he is due for one good year. IS this it?
But I will say...as an example. RPO is now big in football. Categorically, across the board, DC's play man vs RPO because it makes the offense false read, it puts one extra man in the box for run, and gives the DB a one on one chance. Last year, statistically vs RPO teams, DC's chose man more than 50% of the time to push them to read poorly and force runs.
We are in quarters (or a version) with a back pedal technique most of our snaps. In fact, most DC who still play quarters moved to a flat foot technique because of RPO, where S park at 10 or 12 yard depth; get their read keys at snap while staying in place (don't move); if they read pass from the TE or OT if no TE they hinge step and go to 2, if they read run they square and focus on the key; the second they read pass and focus on 2...they move. At that point they try to gain inside leverage on 2.
One of my biggest complaints, is if we are a quarters base, which we are, a simple fix almost all quarter based D's now employ, or any 2 high S D (cover 2 for example); is to use flat foot technique (don't go til u know). However, we a ultra ultra prevent style. We line at 12, and backpedal PRESNAP sometimes....Its a total ball buster for me.
As a result, our 2 high safety look has a massive gap between their zone and #2 responsibility. We can't get on their hip quick enough. Its often why, vs Roof D, the TE are WIDE open in the middle....or the slot wr. The concept of the S is to gain inside leverage; but we can't do that backpedaling at snap or presnap before the read is perfectly made.
Now this is coached. This isn't choice of the S. The choice of the S is AFTER the read is diagnosed....how do you hinge, square and shuffle. He determines that based on the WR speed etc....I watched alot of tape on our D...when we play flat foot, its because the flat S is blitzing, has box support, but not because he is in zone. As a result, we already tell a smart QB pre snap...what we are doing by his body lean....
So...for me, even if you keep the roof scheme 100% the same...if you make this change on how our s line up, diagnose, read and react...its a big improvement.
Here is one simple example of moving the D into the more modern era....
We can then look at how we use our front 7 as well....but I really know the backend more and it drives me crazy. I am sure @Ibeeballin can give more insight on simple fixes to front 7 that would help in todays modern ball.
Just fyi, some coaches DO DO THINGs that way because "we always have". So...it could easily be this is the case with Roof
So you think our personal is so bad that they are bottom of the pack in college football? I find that hard to believe.Im still reserving judgment. We've brought in some solid defensive players of late, let's see what he does with them. Besides, it's not like his predecessors were any more successful. We've had a top 30 defense twice in the CPJ era. I believe it's a personnel issue and I don't see hiring a 4th DC changing that.
Gosh, it seems like I have been saying it now for 4-5 years. That no matter who is in his defense, his scheme is no good for us and we won't be good on D. We have had flashes, but never in a season can we truly rely on the D it seems for a big stop. Its always a bit of a prayer and more often than not, big 3rd downs from a mile away are converted it seems. Although, the closest maybe was 2015; but it was such an overall dumpster of a season it was so hard to gage.
So I could break from what I have been in general correct about for half a decade on roof, and say we will be better, this year....I could. I mean he is due for one good year. IS this it?
But I will say...as an example. RPO is now big in football. Categorically, across the board, DC's play man vs RPO because it makes the offense false read, it puts one extra man in the box for run, and gives the DB a one on one chance. Last year, statistically vs RPO teams, DC's chose man more than 50% of the time to push them to read poorly and force runs.
We are in quarters (or a version) with a back pedal technique most of our snaps. In fact, most DC who still play quarters moved to a flat foot technique because of RPO, where S park at 10 or 12 yard depth; get their read keys at snap while staying in place (don't move); if they read pass from the TE or OT if no TE they hinge step and go to 2, if they read run they square and focus on the key; the second they read pass and focus on 2...they move. At that point they try to gain inside leverage on 2.
One of my biggest complaints, is if we are a quarters base, which we are, a simple fix almost all quarter based D's now employ, or any 2 high S D (cover 2 for example); is to use flat foot technique (don't go til u know). However, we a ultra ultra prevent style. We line at 12, and backpedal PRESNAP sometimes....Its a total ball buster for me.
As a result, our 2 high safety look has a massive gap between their zone and #2 responsibility. We can't get on their hip quick enough. Its often why, vs Roof D, the TE are WIDE open in the middle....or the slot wr. The concept of the S is to gain inside leverage; but we can't do that backpedaling at snap or presnap before the read is perfectly made.
Now this is coached. This isn't choice of the S. The choice of the S is AFTER the read is diagnosed....how do you hinge, square and shuffle. He determines that based on the WR speed etc....I watched alot of tape on our D...when we play flat foot, its because the flat S is blitzing, has box support, but not because he is in zone. As a result, we already tell a smart QB pre snap...what we are doing by his body lean....
So...for me, even if you keep the roof scheme 100% the same...if you make this change on how our s line up, diagnose, read and react...its a big improvement.
Here is one simple example of moving the D into the more modern era....
We can then look at how we use our front 7 as well....but I really know the backend more and it drives me crazy. I am sure @Ibeeballin can give more insight on simple fixes to front 7 that would help in todays modern ball.
Just fyi, some coaches DO DO THINGs that way because "we always have". So...it could easily be this is the case with Roof
I agree. Would Bud Foster or Buddy Ryan or John Chavis do any better with the players that we have always had?Im still reserving judgment. We've brought in some solid defensive players of late, let's see what he does with them. Besides, it's not like his predecessors were any more successful. We've had a top 30 defense twice in the CPJ era. I believe it's a personnel issue and I don't see hiring a 4th DC changing that.
This is very interesting and detailed. Thank you.Gosh, it seems like I have been saying it now for 4-5 years. That no matter who is in his defense, his scheme is no good for us and we won't be good on D. We have had flashes, but never in a season can we truly rely on the D it seems for a big stop. Its always a bit of a prayer and more often than not, big 3rd downs from a mile away are converted it seems. Although, the closest maybe was 2015; but it was such an overall dumpster of a season it was so hard to gage.
So I could break from what I have been in general correct about for half a decade on roof, and say we will be better, this year....I could. I mean he is due for one good year. IS this it?
But I will say...as an example. RPO is now big in football. Categorically, across the board, DC's play man vs RPO because it makes the offense false read, it puts one extra man in the box for run, and gives the DB a one on one chance. Last year, statistically vs RPO teams, DC's chose man more than 50% of the time to push them to read poorly and force runs.
We are in quarters (or a version) with a back pedal technique most of our snaps. In fact, most DC who still play quarters moved to a flat foot technique because of RPO, where S park at 10 or 12 yard depth; get their read keys at snap while staying in place (don't move); if they read pass from the TE or OT if no TE they hinge step and go to 2, if they read run they square and focus on the key; the second they read pass and focus on 2...they move. At that point they try to gain inside leverage on 2.
One of my biggest complaints, is if we are a quarters base, which we are, a simple fix almost all quarter based D's now employ, or any 2 high S D (cover 2 for example); is to use flat foot technique (don't go til u know). However, we a ultra ultra prevent style. We line at 12, and backpedal PRESNAP sometimes....Its a total ball buster for me.
As a result, our 2 high safety look has a massive gap between their zone and #2 responsibility. We can't get on their hip quick enough. Its often why, vs Roof D, the TE are WIDE open in the middle....or the slot wr. The concept of the S is to gain inside leverage; but we can't do that backpedaling at snap or presnap before the read is perfectly made.
Now this is coached. This isn't choice of the S. The choice of the S is AFTER the read is diagnosed....how do you hinge, square and shuffle. He determines that based on the WR speed etc....I watched alot of tape on our D...when we play flat foot, its because the flat S is blitzing, has box support, but not because he is in zone. As a result, we already tell a smart QB pre snap...what we are doing by his body lean....
So...for me, even if you keep the roof scheme 100% the same...if you make this change on how our s line up, diagnose, read and react...its a big improvement.
Here is one simple example of moving the D into the more modern era....
We can then look at how we use our front 7 as well....but I really know the backend more and it drives me crazy. I am sure @Ibeeballin can give more insight on simple fixes to front 7 that would help in todays modern ball.
Just fyi, some coaches DO DO THINGs that way because "we always have". So...it could easily be this is the case with Roof
He's got some solid talent coming in, so we'll see how we look over the next couple years. Bottom line is that it doesn't have to be a top 15 defense. If we could just get a top 30 defense it might mean 2+ more wins a year with what we can do on offense.
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Not the bottom of the pack of all college football, but definitely much lower than the four or five ACC teams that stand between us and division title, and definitely lower than the best six or seven teams in each of the power five conferences. So yes, there is probably going to be at least forty teams out there that have better players on defense than we do. But fortunately, our defense doesn't play their defense, so we can mitigate the situation with an offense that trumps their defense. Our defense just has to be better against the opposing offenses. If it can result in two more wins per year, 7-5 can become 9-3. I think the dream would be a top drawer defense to go along with our offense.So you think our personal is so bad that they are bottom of the pack in college football? I find that hard to believe.